Eddie Howe

[Jagten]

21 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

As often seems to be the case with Howe, he sets a rod for his own back and is a victim of his own success. Bournemouth being 8th on that list should be a joke that you'd only see on some mad 10 season FM save.

The skill required to do what he did with Bournemouth is immense, but it doesn't always scale to buying elite talent. His trading book-value PnL at Bournemouth in the Premier League was maybe zero, all said, which is reasonably hard to achieve, but not enough to close the gap on e.g. an increasingly competent talent ID at Spurs who have 2x our budget. 

 

 

Edited February 26 by Jagten

[SUPERTOON]

18 minutes ago, STM said:

 

Disagree entirely. Klopp and Guardiola are better.

 

There's zero evidence that Arteta, De Zerbi, Emery or anyone else would have been capable of what Howe has done here and there's plenty of reasons why someone like Arteta is doing so well... when you can cherry pick the likes of Declan Rice.

 

People wax lyrical about Emery (rightly so) but he ain't finishing 4th this year IMO.

 

Howe certainly isn't middle of the pack.

Agree about Klopp and Pep, but I also think they would have struggled to achieve what Howe has up to this season. That’s how remarkable it has been under Howe and why he has to at least be given next season.

[TRC]

18 minutes ago, wormy said:

 

I was guttedly texting non-NUFC mates about the Arsenal match on Monday and after the last message I could be arsed responding to just thought to myself "never before have I felt gutted at the prospect of 'just' a top ten finish".  Really does put it in to perspective sometimes.

I dont think anyone should feel ungrateful, but a 9th spot finish is quite poor considering Man United are in ruins, Spurs sold their best player and didnt replace him. Chelsea also in ruins. Wolves are ahead of us and their manager quit the day before the season and many had them tipped to drop.

 

 

[TRC]

2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Agree about Klopp and Pep, but I also think they would have struggled to achieve what Howe has up to this season. That’s how remarkable it has been under Howe and why he has to at least be given next season.

Depends on your critieria I guess, in terms of tactics in both set up and how he adapts I think Howe has been done a few times by managers many consider worse than him.

 

 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, TRC said:

Depends on your critieria I guess, in terms of tactics in both set up and how he adapts I think Howe has been done a few times by managers many consider worse than him.

 

 

Both Pep and Klopp have also been done numerous times by managers worse than them as well though.

[Jaqen]

12 minutes ago, High Five o said:

My sole issue with more Howe power regarding transfer is that he seems to value PL experience highly. Nothing wrong with that, but we have to be better than anyone else to grow faster than the rest. We need to beat the market so to speak. To me as an armchair expert, it tells me that we need to look abroad to buy players, not to save money but to get more for the money.

 

Bruno cost like 40, you get Billing or McTom for that in the PL. Lower potential and lower potential resell value.
 

We need to be smart and take a bit more risk imo.

 

We've signed Bruno, Botman, Isak and Tonali for a lot of money. I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that Howe just wants to sign a load of PL cloggers is coming from. 

 

Players like Gordon, Tino, Barnes, Pope and Trippier we've got for really good fees too. Don't think we'd have got better value shopping around abroad instead here. 

 

Overall are transfer business has been excellent since he came in and it's a good blend of foreign and players with PL experience. 

 

 

[Big Jow]

4 minutes ago, Jaqen said:

 

We've signed Bruno, Botman, Isak and Tonali for a lot of money. I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that Howe just wants to sign a load of PL cloggers is coming from. 

 

Players like Gordon, Tino, Barnes, Pope and Trippier we've got for really good fees too. Don't think we'd have got better value shopping around abroad instead here. 

 

Overall are transfer business has been excellent since he came in and it's a good blend of foreign and players with PL experience. 

 

 

 

4 foreign signings vs. 10 domestic ones. Too early to say if Tino is a snip but agree with the others.

 

Not quite the same value in the ones you omitted though.

 

Howe clearly has a preference for PL/British experience, it’s oblivious to refuse to accept it. 

 

Thank fuck someone put their foot down on Kalvin Phillips though.

[RS]

Imagine a club without regular managerial upheaval?  “Not for me (marra), I want it all, now”.
Fuck me, someone even mentioned Mourinho as a replacement because he would attract massive players, completely ignoring ffp restrictions!
Mackemesque thinking by some on here.

[astraguy]

fuck me we have too many fucking deluded cunts here who want success quick fuck off and support someone else. Last season I'd of ripped my bollock off for a top 10 spot yet we got top 4 without any major injuries,This season has been a disaster for them and we are still top 10 no other top manager could deal with that

[The Prophet]

Edit: just realised I put this in the wrong thread. What a muppet.

 

Perhaps more applicable to social media, but it's nonsense like this and the Lewis Hall stuff that has folk rolling their eyes.

 

It's been a long, challenging season and Howe has not been perfect. There's legitimate concerns with areas of our tactical approach, for example, the preference of Burn over Tino, the gap between midfield and defence or more generally our away form. Of course there are large mitigating factors, but they're points worthy of discussion (even if they're laboured at times).

 

As well as that though, you get stuff like "Brexit Eddie" or "Bournemouth United" or other completely unsubstantiated nonsense along similar lines. That or "I love Howe and want it to work, but (insert criticism). Surely the Saudis will make that big, throbbing, power play that I'm definetly not gagging for".

 

If you want Howe binned, at least have the conviction to voice it explicitly. You'll probably end up with a fair amount of pushback, but you won't be the only one and it's healthier than making sly, unfounded digs or resorting to "you can't say anything negative around here without the happy clappers cancelling you".

[Pata]

On 25/02/2024 at 00:02, joeyt said:

 

Everyone in the country knows what arsenal do with corners, and we've just given them 2 goals from them. 

 

There must have been something we could have done to stop them getting two free headers from corners

 

If everyone in the country knows what they do with their corners and they still do it, it's either still hard to defend against or Arsenal's coaches are fucking thick.

[joeyt]

4 minutes ago, Pata said:

 

If everyone in the country knows what they do with their corners and they still do it, it's either still hard to defend against or Arsenal's coaches are fucking thick.

 

Eddie even said in his press conference how annoyed he was that we conceded from two corners because we knew exactly what they'd do

[nufc123]

13 minutes ago, astraguy said:

fuck me we have too many fucking deluded cunts here who want success quick fuck off and support someone else.

Can we stop this please. Just because you dont share their view, no reason to call anyone here deluded cunts and fuck off supporting someone else.

[madras]

51 minutes ago, TRC said:

I dont think anyone should feel ungrateful, but a 9th spot finish is quite poor considering Man United are in ruins, Spurs sold their best player and didnt replace him. Chelsea also in ruins. Wolves are ahead of us and their manager quit the day before the season and many had them tipped to drop.

 

 

And we've had the worst set of long term absentees I can remember in my 50yrs following this club.

[TRC]

3 minutes ago, madras said:

And we've had the worst set of long term absentees I can remember in my 50yrs following this club.

Yeah 100% but we arent the only ones. Man U, Spurs, Brentford have been decimated, Liverpool are decimated now. Villa too.

[astraguy]

1 minute ago, TRC said:

Yeah 100% but we arent the only ones. Man U, Spurs, Brentford have been decimated, Liverpool are decimated now. Villa too.

[madras]

Just now, TRC said:

Yeah 100% but we arent the only ones. Man U, Spurs, Brentford have been decimated, Liverpool are decimated now. Villa too.

Have they had five or six first team squad players out for months at a time at the same time ? Off the top of my head we've played long spells with Pope, Botman, Tonali, Willock, Joelinton, Barnes, Isak, Wilson Murphy, Burn,Anderson  all out for months at a time, often 5 or 6 for long spells together. Seriously I know other clubs get injuries and ha e their "crises" but I've not known anything  like this.

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 hour ago, Jagten said:

Net balance of 8th. He's alright, but not an elite talent ID guy

 

Who is?

[High Five o]

1 hour ago, Jaqen said:

 

We've signed Bruno, Botman, Isak and Tonali for a lot of money. I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that Howe just wants to sign a load of PL cloggers is coming from. 

 

Players like Gordon, Tino, Barnes, Pope and Trippier we've got for really good fees too. Don't think we'd have got better value shopping around abroad instead here. 

 

Overall are transfer business has been excellent since he came in and it's a good blend of foreign and players with PL experience. 

 

 

I agree, and I am happy with the transfers so far and I am really happy with Howe as a manager. But clearly it has been a team effort where DOF  and our scouting team have been having their say. 
 

Howe to my eyes has, as I mentioned in my original post a preference of PL experience. I just hope now that we are without a DOF we keep on our current path and not shift to an even more PL focused approach.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 26 by High Five o

[Jagten]

18 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Who is?

Liverpool's transfer committee between '16-'21 probably as good as you can get. Some big misses (Keita), but mostly massive hits.  

[timeEd32]

17 minutes ago, Jagten said:

Liverpool's transfer committee between '16-'21 probably as good as you can get. Some big misses (Keita), but mostly massive hits.  

 

Let's look at that (going to start in 2015 since Edwards was technical director then and it includes a key signing):

 

(Sold Suarez in 2014 for big money)

 

2015

Benteke - big fee for a PL striker

Firmino - big fee for a 23 year old from Germany off one good season

Clyne - moderate fee from PL

Milner - free transfer; £140k/wk

Other signings: Ings, Gomez, Awoniyi, 

 

Sold: Sterling for one of the biggest fees ever at that point

 

2016

Mane - Big fee for a player who spent two years at a smaller PL club

Wijnaldum - Big fee for one of the best players at a relegated club

Matip - Free transfer; £100k/wk

 

Sold: Benteke, recouping 75% of the fee, and good fees for Ibe and Allen

 

2017

van Dijk - Record fee for a proven PL defender

Salah - Club record fee (until van Dijk later that summer)

Robertson - PL experience from a relegated club

Other signings: Big money on Oxlade-Chamberlain, Solanke on a U21 free

 

Sold: Coutinho for a British record fee; Sakho for big money

 

2018

Alisson - Most expensive GK of all time

Keita - Massive fee

Fabinho - Big fee

Other signings: Shaqiri

 

Sold: Solanke and Danny Ward for decent money

 

2019

Basically nothing

 

Sold: Made a decent profit on Ings

 

2020

Jota - Big fee for a PL player

Thiago - 29 year old from Bayern

Tsimikas - Cheap

 

Sold: Lovren for not much

 

2021

Diaz - Big fee

Konate - Decent fee

 

Sold: Harry Wilson and Awoniyi for cheap (which doesn't look great at the moment)

 

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Their early business shares two characteristics that ours has:

• Premier League experience √
• Targeting relegated players √

They did dabble in the free transfer market, but should be noted that the wages (particularly Milner) were significant.

 

They made a big mistake (Benteke), but were able to get out of it by recouping most of their money a year later.

 

What they had, that we haven't had a chance of having, is massive money coming in every summer. Suarez > Sterling > Benteke redo > Coutinho. This allowed them to break their transfer fee record (and world records) multiple times for the likes of Salah, van Dijk, and Alisson (and they got them all right). 

 

I'm not trying to discount what they did - it's obviously excellent (though also not perfect) - but I don't really look at that and see a process that makes me feel like we're missing some big trick. If that's a blueprint worth following then I'd argue we've followed a couple of the core tenets.

[Gazzaschicken]

3 hours ago, gbandit said:

“I’m just here to enjoy the ride, provided the ride is faultless and we rise to the top immediately”

I'm the same I will back the manager with my life when he is winning but when he is losing he has No1 else to blame and he must go

[Lush Vlad]

3 hours ago, healthyaddiction said:

Net spend is a bollocks stat without context. Bournemouth got into the PL with a bunch of players that were with them from division 2. They're not going to be able to sell them to reduce their net spend. The players they spend money on would take time before being sold for profit. For example, sell Solanke now and it would balance out a lot of what they spent.

 

It's like us now. We can't balance our expenditure by selling players because most our players are Ashley era players and aren't worth anything. The only ones worth anything we can't afford to sell.

 

 

 

Bang on, this. 
 

We get net spend, or just money spent in general chucked at us all the while. But the cupboards were left bare.
 

Most fans will rightly point to the low base we were building from and how neglected the squad was. It’s not comparable to most other decent’ish Prem teams.
 

We still have loads of bang average to shite players. On big wages, who were past it years ago. Who were we supposed to sell to bring money in after the takeover, exactly? 
 

Bournemouth would have had it far worse and all.  

 

 

[The College Dropout]

We need to win this mini-league.

[Pata]

3 hours ago, nufc123 said:

Can we stop this please. Just because you dont share their view, no reason to call anyone here deluded cunts and fuck off supporting someone else.

 

Why not though? 

 

I can't believe what I've been reading post-Arsenal in this thread, luckily did the reading today so wasn't going to bite. I'm embarrassed and praying fans of other clubs don't read this thread. Fair play to especially Hans (and many others) who showed we have some sensible fans too.