Hanshithispantz Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) Dan Burn let slip the 'phase of play' they practiced a while back, said something along the lines of "was that routine 3?" before Howe cut him off. It looked like a standard pass and move to the untrained eye, which we all have. My guess would be that we spend a significant ammount of time working on patterns of play, hence our ease of making it into the opponents box when on form (our 'touches in opponents box' was always really high, along with our xG). Edited February 28 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 What does the start of next season mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: Dan Burn let slip the 'phase of play' they practiced a while back, said something along the lines of "was that routine 3?" before Howe cut him off. My guess would be that we spend a significant ammount of time working on patterns of play, hence our ease of making it into the opponents box when on form (our 'touches in opponents box' was always really high, along with our xG). Sounds like he was asking should we setup 3-2 in build-up. That's high-level stuff that's obvious to the untrained eye. If we have been coached defined patterns of play in possession - we would recognise them no matter who is playing. And some of them we do see e.g. the 8's pushing right up and supporting the striker. Our out of possession approach and patterns are obvious too. Edited February 28 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 59 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I think it's absolute nonsense saying there's no in-between. I think the majority take the view that he's doing an admirable job under difficult circumstances but isn't without errors (that being the very definition of 'in-between'), then a small minority taking the obscene view that the team is a disgrace and he needs sacking. I routinely defend Howe but I don't see it as making excuses at all. "You can't criticise Howe round 'ere fnar fnar" is being leveled at people calling out those chatting shit comparing him to Bruce and/or saying his time's up. Fair enough, sometimes it's taken too far. I think both ends of the spectrum is represented here though. Some will also make exuses for everything and pretty much never concede that he has made a mistake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) Big problem we've had is we've got players coming back needing time to regain sharpness (Isak, Willock, Barnes, Murphy etc), being added to players who've been flogged because there's been no alternatives for so long (Bruno, Longstaff, Gordon, Almiron, etc). You're still having to play the knackered batch more than you want, because the first batch aren't 100%, but you're having to bring the first lot in sooner than what's ideal because the knackered batch need a bit help around them. Think we just need to limp home as best we can, get as high up the league/far in the cup as physically possible, then regroup ready for August fully fresh. Edited February 28 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, mouldy_uk said: If our injuries are under control and he’s fully backed in the summer window, then I’m pretty sure the pressure will be fully on for a Champions League slot next season. If we are off the pace early doors and there isn’t a good reason, then I can’t imagine the Saudi’s not being ruthless and looking for a new manager. I love the guy and cant think of a better person to have success with, however, like many, I have those niggling doubts whether he really has what it takes to transform us into a consistent top of the table team. It's performances rather than position. It breeds confidence and feel good. All that's out the window atm. If we're performing well with an optimistic future, then that'll be enough. We've seen he can ride a wave, this is the test of coming back from the crash. He couldn't turn it around at Bournemouth and looked spent. He's not there with us, he's still fighting, but his team doesn't look interested, with zero organisation. Also, sometimes a manager just stops working for a team, leaves and goes on to do well somewhere else. Sometimes clubs and them need a change as do the players. I don't know what the answer is, no one can really say why everything has fell apart so quickly, and no one can safely say he can turn it around or when he'll get it all back on track. We have to remember this is the highest he's been. 1 season of Europe, no trophies. It's all new territory with him, but I expected him to learn on the job, but it's just getting worse. I'm glad we beat the mackems. I said it's the only thing I wanted this season and he can do what he wants and I'm still there, it's just sad now this is still going on and I'm still seeing fatigue from 6 games being used as an excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 The constant huge gap between midfield and defence not being addressed is a massive concern. We look visibly slower at closing down than we were at the beginning of the season as well. I wonder if Howe drops Barnes (or even livramento) in to close the gap that encourages the opposition to run straight through midfield at us. He needs to do something to resolve this obvious issue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 13 hours ago, The College Dropout said: We don’t look a well coached side. You single-handedly make me dislike Obama. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: You single-handedly make me dislike Obama. I despise him. But my point is valid. I don't think the players have the physicality or mentality atm to carry out what they have been coached to do. Again, that is partly down to Howe to achieve,. Edited February 28 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: I despise him. Another weird opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 5 minutes ago, Dokko said: It's performances rather than position. It breeds confidence and feel good. All that's out the window atm. If we're performing well with an optimistic future, then that'll be enough. We've seen he can ride a wave, this is the test of coming back from the crash. He couldn't turn it around at Bournemouth and looked spent. He's not there with us, he's still fighting, but his team doesn't look interested, with zero organisation. Also, sometimes a manager just stops working for a team, leaves and goes on to do well somewhere else. Sometimes clubs and them need a change as do the players. I don't know what the answer is, no one can really say why everything has fell apart so quickly, and no one can safely say he can turn it around or when he'll get it all back on track. We have to remember this is the highest he's been. 1 season of Europe, no trophies. It's all new territory with him, but I expected him to learn on the job, but it's just getting worse. I'm glad we beat the mackems. I said it's the only thing I wanted this season and he can do what he wants and I'm still there, it's just sad now this is still going on and I'm still seeing fatigue from 6 games being used as an excuse. Fatigue from 10 games in 30 days over December played a huge part in our form at that time, absolutely. What we're seeing now, in my opinion is a lack of confidence. The fatigue led to more injuries. The midfield has been paperlight for most of January / February. The paperlight midfield leads to goals being conceded for fun. Which breeds a lack of confidence. I think, now that Willock, Isak, Barnes and Anderson are properly back in the picture, we'll see much improved performances within a couple of weeks. A win on Saturday, and all of a sudden we have a lot to play for. Confidence is a huge factor in football... last year we rode that confidence all the way to the Champions League. This year it has been eroded and the glaring weaknesses in our squad have been exposed, and Eddie hasn't found a solution (though I'd argue that if he can't find a solution, then who can). Win at home on Saturday and everything changes, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 5 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: You single-handedly make me dislike Obama. Perhaps he never watched a Bruce side. (Last night was similar at times mind) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 12 hours ago, Dr Jinx said: He’s got enough credit built up so that recent performances will be met with a general apathy.. there’s no genuine anger yet but there will be. If we’d played like that with Steve Bruce as manager, there’d be multiple posts of cabbages and die in a house fire type rants. But that’s how bad we’ve been playing lately. If we'd played like that under Bruce it would have been one of our best performances of his tenure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I despise him. But my point is valid. I don't think the players have the physicality or mentality atm to carry out what they have been coached to do. Again, that is partly down to Howe to achieve,. Your general attitude in this forum is all slowly starting to make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) Just a general comment, but no one thinks you're hard, or Gordon Gekko because you refuse to accept legitimate reasons for poor performance beyond personal and professional accountability. You just look like an insecure try-hard who watches Glengarry Glen Ross to get in the zone. Edited February 28 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 18 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Sounds like he was asking should we setup 3-2 in build-up. That's high-level stuff that's obvious to the untrained eye. If we have been coached defined patterns of play - we would recognise them no matter who is playing. And some of them we do see e.g. the 8's pushing right up and supporting the striker. Our out of possession approach and patterns are obvious too. Burn's comment was specifically about a pass and move that happened on the wing iirc (might have been his goal in the cup last season, Big Jer was involved). It looked incredibly simple, and not even worthy of note had the interaction in the interview not occured, but it was a glimpse that even basic pass and moves are being drummed into them. It's just an example of a simple, spontaneous looking goal that us laymen would never have guessed was off the training ground. Edited February 28 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 27 minutes ago, Dokko said: If we repeat this seasons performances and we're halfway through then he'll be rightly jettisoned, especially if we're highly active in the transfer market. I wouldn't be surprised if the PIF side are already putting pressure on to source options. If they are then that’s extremely worrying for how they want to run the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 7 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Another weird opinion 500+ drone strikes. About 4,000 lives lost. A status-quo man. The head of US imperialism isn't for me like but I don't come here to talk politics. But there are many reasons to despise Mr. Obama. Charming and good looking though. Edited February 28 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 33 minutes ago, Anderson said: Still massively behind him, but that’s mental. This season was always going to be a gimme for him in my mind, was always going to be too much too soon, but he needs to start next season strongly or he’ll be in trouble. I mean, I meant no matter what within reason. Obviously if we can’t win a game and we’re looking like getting relegated then he’ll be sacked. But that won’t happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Pretty sure it was this goal. Most people would assume that was improvisation and not a move from the training ground, there'll be loads of this stuff going on all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I'm still hopeful that Hall will come good, he has the ability. I really liked what I saw of him at Chelsea albeit in just a couple of games. I think he will come good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: 500+ drone strikes. About 4,000 lives lost. A status-quo man. Charming and good looking though. Wall Streets candidate . O Bomber Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 hours ago, NWMag said: It’s a valid theory to put forward, and you’re right in the sense that overachieving isn’t limited just to the players. however I believe that a large part of them overperforming was down to Howe. As said I do have faith in Howe, however I do acknowledge that he also needs to evolve and make improvements to himself if he is going to reach the top. Well the 'over performing now regressed to the mean/norm' theory needs to take into account a season and half of over performance. From January to May 2022 we amassed 2 points per game. Incredible given we'd only picked up 11 points from the first 19 games. It obviously needs to take into account a full season leading to a 4th place finish and should somehow take in the better performances this season. Which kind of stretches the believability a little. Perhaps we're just having a bad spell and our norm, with current squad, is more top six territory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) From the match I saw last night Bruno was playing in midfield alone, fighting for his life and taking on all responsibility. Willock tried a few things but just isn't anywhere near sharp enough yet, and so was mostly absent. Longstaff's form has completely fallen of a cliff and he might as well have been playing for Blackburn at times. Miley tried when he came on but wasn't able to have any impact. This is affecting both our attack and our defence at the moment as the midfield is not building up play well enough to create enough for the forwards, and at the same time is not protecting the defence either. All this talk of playing a strong team is good and all, but it really isn't translating on the pitch at the minute. I don't know how we can rectify this with the state Longstaff and Willock are in currently. Wolves have been looking full of energy lately and have been playing well. They are brutal in transition. I'm not looking forward to the game at all. Edited February 28 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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