Dr Venkman Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 49 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Don't get me wrong, I love Bruno and he's comfortably one of our best players. I actually completely agree. I remember when he first started playing and those of us who suggested this were labelled as haterz. Bruno works his arse off but he’s not the quickest. Mad that it was ever controversial. He’s also not the strongest but he uses his body as well as anyone IMO. I’ve never seen anyone as good at using their body position to win free kicks. I wish Longstaff would stop trying to copy it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Yeah, they’re diametrical opposites on that ability. Bruno is probably just about the best at shielding the ball, getting his body in the way and either winning a tackle or, he’s extremely good at getting a pass off when he’s unbalanced or not able to set himself. Longstaff relies on the failed flop anytime someone exerts pressure on him and he hasn’t had time to shield the ball. He’s also particularly poor at getting a pass off when the pressure increases, he invariably snatches at a pass and loses possession Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 8 hours ago, Disco said: Weird censorship aside a lot of people are gasping for him to fail and NUFC to disband. Yeah, this. Many so-called neutrals, inside and outside the media, want us to fail. It’s nothing against Eddie. It’s the all too human desire to feel better by laughing at someone continuing to fall flat on their face. Over the years, we’ve provided others with much entertainment of that nature, and they don’t want it to stop. They must dread the huge celebrations that will follow should we eventually win something. There’s also the issue of Geordies being slightly separate in identity from the rest of England. Bit like the Scousers, though of course they have years of success behind them. It’s all got a bit weird. The pundits acknowledge the problems Eddie has had this season, and then proceed to talk like they don’t exist. At times, it sounds like they’re trying to persuade the owners to sack him. Edited March 14 by Cronky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Say he left in the summer. Where do people think he would end up next? Just assuming every job was available to him. West Ham would be in for him for sure. Maybe Chelsea. Brighton potentially. I think he's a season away from being recognised as more of a top top manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 20 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Say he left in the summer. Where do people think he would end up next? Just assuming every job was available to him. West Ham would be in for him for sure. Maybe Chelsea. Brighton potentially. I think he's a season away from being recognised as more of a top top manager. Potentially Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Let’s try not to manifest this happening, okay? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, The Prophet said: Potentially Liverpool. The same reason he was disregarded last time is still true. He has no experience of managing in Europe successfully. If they couldn't land Alonso they would consider Howe probably. But then go for a Nagelsmann type or someone with more experience at the highest level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
500bhp Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 42 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Say he left in the summer. Where do people think he would end up next? Just assuming every job was available to him. West Ham would be in for him for sure. Maybe Chelsea. Brighton potentially. I think he's a season away from being recognised as more of a top top manager. England. Might work out best for all parties if we have very poor end to the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 20 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: The same reason he was disregarded last time is still true. He has no experience of managing in Europe successfully. If they couldn't land Alonso they would consider Howe probably. But then go for a Nagelsmann type or someone with more experience at the highest level. Very fair points, granted Alonso is also inexperienced in that regard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Very fair points, granted Alonso is also inexperienced in that regard. Got to the semi's of the Europa last year and qualified for the Europa again. In the Europa last 16 again with Bayer top of the Bundesliga and undefeated this season. Being a club legend and an overall football legend also helps Alonso. Totally unrelated. In terms of top players turned top coaches over recent years - how we would we rank them as players? Criteria is winning a top 5 league as a player and a manager. Zidane. Alonso. Then it gets hard. I don't remember Pep as a player much but I know he was top. He's younger than Simeone or Deschamps but I remember those two more. Too young for Carlo but his honours list is impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I don’t think Eddie would get a job with the big six yet. Those owners probably need the reassurance of past trophies. I think there’s also a prejudice that British bosses are glorified Mike Bassetts whereas foreign managers are insightful, scientific professorial types like Arsene Wenger. We nearly didn’t employ Eddie ourselves of course. When we lost to Villa last season and to Liverpool at home this season, the view that was expressed on here quite a few times was that Eddie had been outsmarted tactically. Well by the same token, Eddie has outsmarted quite a few big names over the last two years. Long may he go under their radars, say I. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lish007 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Please don't leave Eddie! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 11 minutes ago, Cronky said: I don’t think Eddie would get a job with the big six yet. Those owners probably need the reassurance of past trophies. I think there’s also a prejudice that British bosses are glorified Mike Bassetts whereas foreign managers are insightful, scientific professorial types like Arsene Wenger. We nearly didn’t employ Eddie ourselves of course. When we lost to Villa last season and to Liverpool at home this season, the view that was expressed on here quite a few times was that Eddie had been outsmarted tactically. Well by the same token, Eddie has outsmarted quite a few big names over the last two years. Long may he go under their radars, say I. I love Eddie but he’s far too one dimensional tactically for a job bigger than ours. We’re an excellent fit for him and vice versa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I'm interested to see, tactically, what Howe's end goal is. Last season we were an aggressive, high pressing team, with a lot of similarities similar to early Klopp-era Liverpool. But Howe mentioned on a couple of occasions, wanting to become a more possession based outfit. We saw signs of change in the early season. The press was a less aggressive, we were crisper with the ball and not going long as often. Since then the first team has been riddled with injuries. We've lost a keeper who gives us confidence to push aggressively up the pitch, along with one of our ball playing centre backs, while our most common midfield of Miley, Longstaff and Bruno is neither (as a collective) effective at pressing or comfortable on the ball. It appears Howe has tried multiple variations of the 4-3-3. We've had Trippier coming central, Schar pushing into midfield, Longstaff and Miley as a double pivot, Bruno playing deeper, a man for man midfield and a counter attacking style, but none of it has really stuck. Howe has struggled to get the best out of his limited options. It can and does happen to the best of managers too. Klopp struggled to get a tune out of Liverpool's midfield for the entirety of last season, until they bought Gakpo and used him as a false nine. I just hope like Klopp has, Howe learns from this experience and makes the appropriate adjustments moving forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 6 hours ago, The College Dropout said: Got to the semi's of the Europa last year and qualified for the Europa again. In the Europa last 16 again with Bayer top of the Bundesliga and undefeated this season. Being a club legend and an overall football legend also helps Alonso. Totally unrelated. In terms of top players turned top coaches over recent years - how we would we rank them as players? Criteria is winning a top 5 league as a player and a manager. Zidane. Alonso. Then it gets hard. I don't remember Pep as a player much but I know he was top. He's younger than Simeone or Deschamps but I remember those two more. Too young for Carlo but his honours list is impressive. Roberto Mancini was a superb centre forward - top rank Antonio Conte was one of Europe’s finest midfielders in his pomp Luis Enrique was excellent for Real and Barcelona as a player In his prime, Laurent Blanc was one of the world’s best centre backs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 You forgot the British powerhouse Lampard who’s gone to new heights after his playing career Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, gbandit said: You forgot the British powerhouse Lampard who’s gone to new heights after his playing career And Steeevie Geee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) Cruyff revolutionized the game both as a player and manager. I guess 30 years ago is not exactly recent years anymore. This age thing. Fucking hell. Edited March 14 by Vinny Green Balls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 31 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Roberto Mancini was a superb centre forward - top rank Antonio Conte was one of Europe’s finest midfielders in his pomp Luis Enrique was excellent for Real and Barcelona as a player In his prime, Laurent Blanc was one of the world’s best centre backs All good shouts. Funny I remember Enrique, Blanc and Conte. Always thought Conte was an Ambrosini type. Typical Italian CM, hard working and technically sound but not masses of ability. The type you put real quality around. Spends their whole career in Italy. I pegged Marchisio and DeRossi in that bracket. Having never seen him much I assumed Tonali was that type too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 31 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: Cruyff revolutionized the game both as a player and manager. I guess 30 years ago is not exactly recent years anymore. This age thing. Fucking hell. Well aye but that was yonks ago. Simone Inzaghi did win a Serie A as a player and he’ll win Serie A as a manager. but as a player he wasn’t half the player Pippo was. They don’t make strikers like Pippo anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Xavi was one of my favourite footballers. Inzaghi was bang average Simeone was Simeone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Well aye but that was yonks ago. Simone Inzaghi did win a Serie A as a player and he’ll win Serie A as a manager. but as a player he wasn’t half the player Pippo was. They don’t make strikers like Pippo anymore. Hey now, sir. 30 years is nothing on a cosmological scale. Kyuss was still around and Alice in chains were at their peak. Jesus, that went by quickly. And as far as Inzaghi, you mean strikers who don't run but perpetually fall? An anti-footballer for certain, but absolutely brilliant at what he did. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone play the offside trap better than he did. Edited March 14 by Vinny Green Balls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 27 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Well aye but that was yonks ago. Simone Inzaghi did win a Serie A as a player and he’ll win Serie A as a manager. but as a player he wasn’t half the player Pippo was. They don’t make strikers like Pippo anymore. Controversial football opinion klaxon … I never thought either Inzaghi brother was top-notch (though Pippo was definitely the better of the two). Always thought Pippo was the Andy Cole of Italian football - needed a lot of chances to put one away, but in fairness also very good at getting into those positions in the first place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 37 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: All good shouts. Funny I remember Enrique, Blanc and Conte. Always thought Conte was an Ambrosini type. Typical Italian CM, hard working and technically sound but not masses of ability. The type you put real quality around. Spends their whole career in Italy. I pegged Marchisio and DeRossi in that bracket. Having never seen him much I assumed Tonali was that type too. Conte and Tonali absolutely are similar to me as players edit: Conte was excellent at what he did, mind Edited March 14 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Think Cole was under rated. He’s much closer to shearer in the all time rankings when you exclude penalties. Pippo wasn’t an all rounder which is what I liked about him. Just a goal hanger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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