Eddie Howe

[Pablo]

Just now, Gawalls said:

I’m comparing to Luton and Forest where you’re comparing to Man City and Liverpool. We probably need to agree to meet somewhere in the middle 

? Agreed

[Chris_R]

14 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

I’m comparing to Luton and Forest where you’re comparing to Man City and Liverpool. We probably need to agree to meet somewhere in the middle 

For me, that middle ground is that Dubravka is a decent enough PL keeper, but just not for the way we play.

 

Many teams would be ok with him, but we play a really high line and he plays with his boots nailed to the goal line. Any balls in behind us, and we're fucked.

 

He'd be fine for a lot of teams, and indeed was for us in the past. Just not for us now, with the way we play.

[Matt1892]

Krafth wasn’t injured but I don’t know what subs were planned and what was forced, as I don’t think he would have brought Tino and Krafth off at the same time if Tino wasn’t injured. It was as if some of the subs were already planned and then Tino being injured added to it.

I don’t think Krafth was that bad today by the way, it was that Howe bringing him on meant that there was a complete shift around at the back apart from Schar, which was when we got caught out, rather than bringing Hall on and shifting Burn inside. That situation I put down to Howe not wanting 2 attack minded fullbacks on the pitch at the same time, which is something he tries to avoid unless we have no other options or have hit the shit or bust button.

[Ronaldo]

Dubravka was an average keeper years ago. Sooner he’s out of the team and never invited back the better.

[Jagten]

6 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

For me, that middle ground is that Dubravka is a decent enough PL keeper, but just not for the way we play.

 

Many teams would be ok with him, but we play a really high line and he plays with his boots nailed to the goal line. Any balls in behind us, and we're fucked.

 

He'd be fine for a lot of teams, and indeed was for us in the past. Just not for us now, with the way we play.

This vulnerable "high line" goal has nothing to do with the keeper. This is probably most on Howe, but early sub clearly doesn't help. 

 

 

Edited March 30 by Jagten

[KingArthur]

Problem with Dubravka is that he clearly has no idea when to rush out. The few times he has done it is has been a mess. He isn't going to get better at it anymore, but how the coaches just dont tell him to stand on the edge of box when we have a high line surprises me. He is just too deep all the time

[Displayname]

1 hour ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said:

He didn't correct it though did he? Injuries forced his hand.

It was more the result and him not doing anything right that forced his hand.

[PauloGeordio]

 

yellow card for Eddie. Missed that in the carnage 

 

[80]

Totally missed this game. Had no idea what was going on until I switched on to see Barnes celebrating the winner  Could someone link me up for a replay of it?

 

Saw Eddie's post match interview. He still believes we can get CL. He should be right to still privately target that, as unlikely as that felt after the Chelsea game.

 

From snatches I've seen, the players had the best energy levels I've seen in quite a while. And they're determined to fight for themselves and their manager. That might be the difference in saving his job, you can't sleep on how valuable that is - it's a credit to him.

 

Can he manage a Klopp-esque run to the end of the season? I don't know. I certainly didn't feel like it after Chelsea. I'm not claiming credit for predicting anything, but driving through these kinds of scenarios is what separates great managers from the rest.

[80]

6 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said:

 

yellow card for Eddie. Missed that in the carnage 

 

Would love to see what he got it for. The cameras totally missed it.

[Holloway]

Always bemused by a 'didn't see the game but here"s my 10 bobsworth "

[Heron]

Didn't see the game but I thought we were outstanding last half hour. Howe didn't get it right at first but got it right in the end. Cannot wait to see it on MotD for the first time.

 

 

Edited March 30 by Heron

[LiquidAK]

It wasn't as bad a performance at 3-1 as some are making out, It was flat, but Bruno hit the bar at 1-1 so it's not like we got blown away. Conceding 2 sloppy goals either side of half time was a frustration, but immensely proud of the players for not wilting and giving up. I love this team and I love Eddie Howe. Fucking get in 

[Vinny Green Balls]

But questions need to be raised.

[80]

13 minutes ago, Holloway said:

Always bemused by a 'didn't see the game but here"s my 10 bobsworth "

What did I say that couldn't be taken in from the last 10 minutes plus highlights? Make sure you let me know.

[Sibierski]

20 minutes ago, LiquidAK said:

It wasn't as bad a performance at 3-1 as some are making out, It was flat, but Bruno hit the bar at 1-1 so it's not like we got blown away. Conceding 2 sloppy goals either side of half time was a frustration, but immensely proud of the players for not wilting and giving up. I love this team and I love Eddie Howe. Fucking get in 

But that was the key though, after a 2 week break, home game, wanting a response, that we were flat for large majority of that game making mistakes, looking slow in our fitness and terrible with the ball.

 

Credit to the players and changes that shifted things all towards us, coupled with Moyes making the opposite negative changes, but the 3-1 was alarming in how West Ham didn’t need to be anything more than 6/10 to be 3-1 up away.

 

 

Edited March 30 by Sibierski

[Lush Vlad]

Found his decision to bring on Krafth for Lascelles really odd. Completely shuffled the back 4 and meant Tino was then out of position, as well. He always looks far better on the right and was actually poor on the left, I thought. 
 

Hall seemed such an obvious decision and would only have meant one position change. 
 

The insistence to persist with the high line, with an immobile, half fit midfield in front of them and a keeper rooted to his line behind them. Seems odd to say the least.
 

The injury, recovery and return situation seems like it needs a full review at the end of the season. As it’s beyond a joke and bad luck now. 
 

All that said. These players are still playing for him 100% and the fans still seem on board, in the ground at least. Feared it might have turned a bit toxic after their third. 
 

Really don’t know how to feel. Love him to bits and he has been dealt a shit hand this season. But at the same time, he hasn’t played his cards right a lot of the time. Good that we’ve not folded, though.*
 

*sorry for the shit card related cliches. Wasn’t planned at first  

[splinter]

Dubravka was let go to man utd and is only there because of injuries. Dont see him being 1 of our 2 keepers next year.kudus from west ham would be top of my wish list for best year

 

 

Edited March 30 by splinter

[ShootShoot]

14 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

But that was the key though, after a 2 week break, home game, wanting a response, that we were flat for large majority of that game making mistakes, looking slow in our fitness and terrible with the ball.

 

Credit to the players and changes that shifted things all towards us, coupled with Moyes making the opposite negative changes, but the 3-1 was alarming in how West Ham didn’t need to be anything more than 6/10 to be 3-1 up away.

 

 

 

End of the day it was two average teams livened up by a couple of excellent players on either side 

[Displayname]

33 minutes ago, LiquidAK said:

It wasn't as bad a performance at 3-1 as some are making out, It was flat, but Bruno hit the bar at 1-1 so it's not like we got blown away. Conceding 2 sloppy goals either side of half time was a frustration, but immensely proud of the players for not wilting and giving up. I love this team and I love Eddie Howe. Fucking get in 

It wasnt a good performance, but what pushed the negativity over the edge i think was that we got 3 injured players to top it off. 

Also subbing in Krafth instead of Hall looked really bad in hindsight.

[Holmesy]

1 minute ago, Lush Vlad said:

Found his decision to bring on Krafth for Lascelles really odd. Completely shuffled the back 4 and meant Tino was then out of position, as well. He always looks far better on the right and was actually poor on the left, I thought. 
 

Hall seemed such an obvious decision and would only have meant one position change. 
 

The insistence to persist with the high line, with an immobile, half fit midfield in front of them and a keeper rooted to his line behind them. Seems odd to say the least.
 

The injury, recovery and return situation seems like it needs a full review at the end of the season. As it’s beyond a joke and bad luck now. 
 

All that said. These players are still playing for him 100% and the fans still seem on board, in the ground at least. Feared it might have turned a bit toxic after their third. 
 

Really don’t know how to feel. Love him to bits and he has been dealt a shit hand this season. But at the same time, he hasn’t played his cards right a lot of the time. Good that we’ve not folded, though.*
 

*sorry for the shit card related cliches. Wasn’t planned at first  

I was thinking about this after the game - would the fanbase take another Keegan-esque era? Exciting games like that, loads of goals but never winning anything because of defensive nativity. For me, that feels like how it will go under Howe. (For those that point out our defensive solidity last season, that is feeling more like a fluke than by design as every week goes by. Also see the rest of Howe’s PL career).

Or would they rather we won something but perhaps did it in a slightly more conservative way? 

[Displayname]

6 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

I was thinking about this after the game - would the fanbase take another Keegan-esque era? Exciting games like that, loads of goals but never winning anything because of defensive nativity. For me, that feels like how it will go under Howe. (For those that point out our defensive solidity last season, that is feeling more like a fluke than by design as every week goes by. Also see the rest of Howe’s PL career).

Or would they rather we won something but perhaps did it in a slightly more conservative way? 

Hell yeah i would take another Keegan era, what made me a fan in the first place.

[Vinny Green Balls]

6 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

I was thinking about this after the game - would the fanbase take another Keegan-esque era? Exciting games like that, loads of goals but never winning anything because of defensive nativity. For me, that feels like how it will go under Howe. (For those that point out our defensive solidity last season, that is feeling more like a fluke than by design as every week goes by. Also see the rest of Howe’s PL career).

Or would they rather we won something but perhaps did it in a slightly more conservative way? 

Howe probably needs more than a few gems mixed with average and decent players until we can conclude that he is incapable of winning anything, especially given the cabal at the top of the PL.

[Holmesy]

Just now, Vinny Green Balls said:

Howe probably needs more than a few gems mixed with average and decent players until we can conclude that he is incapable of winning anything, especially given the cabal at the top of the PL.

You don’t have to conclude anything. This is just my view. I feel like I’ve seen enough to make a judgement but I’ll happily eat humble pie if I’m wrong.

[Holmesy]

2 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

Howe probably needs more than a few gems mixed with average and decent players until we can conclude that he is incapable of winning anything, especially given the cabal at the top of the PL.

I loved the Keegan era and for me, Sir Bobby’s time was just as magical but I’m ready for us to win something now. Ashley robbed me of 13 years, I’m now 45 and I’ve seen us win fuck all. 
I’d love Eddie to be the guy to end the drought but I just don’t see it happening.