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8 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

That makes two of us :) - I had a check on NUFC after the game and put it in the match thread shortly after the game finished.  We're normally such slow starters that I was curious!

 

Oh I actually didn't see it, that's funny. Usually noone bothers to look these things up, so I just assumed that noone had done it.[emoji38]

 

 

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1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

11/12 is the only season since 95/96 that we have this many points after 3 games

Fuck me, in 29 years? Even this year we deserve (generously) one point from 3 games. Surely law of averages must have given us 7 points one other year.

 

We are going to Pardew the absolute fuck out of this season. 5th place is ours and we can play like arse doing it.

 

See you in the Champions League bitches!

 

 

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we have some tough home games coming, man city, brighton, arsenal and liverpool all by beginning of december. im expecting more like today, hard games but have a proper go, backs to the wall at times but if he has us on form we can take points. come on eddie, we have faith lad. 

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26 minutes ago, Checko said:

Fuck me, in 29 years? Even this year we deserve (generously) one point from 3 games. Surely law of averages must have given us 7 points one other year.

 

We are going to Pardew the absolute fuck out of this season. 5th place is ours and we can play like arse doing it.

 

See you in the Champions League bitches!

 

 

Haha yep, shocking isn't it?  I didn't look at our two seasons in the second division as I don't count those.  But we've always been shite starters post-KK

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Thought that was comfortably our best performance of the season. Which you can take as a comment on our earlier games, if you like. The players seemed really well drilled in the first half. I feel very out of step with a lot of the majority opinions on here.

 

Obviously, very far from perfect, but I felt comfortable for about 75 minutes of the game. Most of their (half) chances came from deflections, and we had to score their goal for them. Their attacks were generally snuffed out by our interventions, rather than their players fluffing opportunities. And there were periods of nice fluidity in our offensive game that didn't involve us just throwing numbers forward.

 

That said - and it's easier posting this knowing we won, given what I was saying about showing support the other day - I was pretty annoyed with Howe not making changes prior to them scoring. We were on the ropes, coated in yellow cards and I thought we needed fresh heads on urgently. What happened seemed inevitable, and we should have been less passive in countering it, by getting Tonali and others on prior to the pre-planned slot.

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Thought the timing if the Tonali sub was alright. Gave the crowd a lift and brought fresh legs into the midfield.

 

Taking account of the game plan it was noticeable we started and finished strongly again, following the subs. Clearly some of the lads still need more gametime to get up to speed.

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Also re: the press. We also don’t have the bench options to allow us a high press. 
 

Isak has previously struggled to press for 90 minutes. With Wilson out, he has to play 90 minutes. New kid seems to be on the Lewis Hall track. We’ve only got 1 CM sub and 1 winger sub (Almiron seemingly been demoted). 
 

When we have a bench of Wilson, Willock (prayers), Longstaff etc. I hope for a more aggressive game plan.  

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17 hours ago, STM said:

 

He lost the ball 3 times in a row, which was shocking. On the other hand, he did what he always does and offers pace, professionalism and energy.

 

It was pretty grim though maybe some benefit of the doubt given it was probably a pretty hard game to come into, in terms of getting up to speed and under a lot of pressure at the time.

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It feels like we're transitioning or evolving to a new, slightly less gung-ho style of play and that might take a bit more time to flourish into something that's attractive to watch.

Lack of plan B was something that was highlighted a lot last season, as was the naivety in trying to see out games, so maybe this is Eddie's response to that. The defensive line seems deeper, the press is less ferocious. we're counter-attacking a lot more and soaking up pressure well. It isn't pretty but if it ultimate leads to us being harder to beat while still picking up points, and we build the attractive football on top of it over time, it can only be a good thing.

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12 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

It feels like we're transitioning or evolving to a new, slightly less gung-ho style of play and that might take a bit more time to flourish into something that's attractive to watch.

Lack of plan B was something that was highlighted a lot last season, as was the naivety in trying to see out games, so maybe this is Eddie's response to that. The defensive line seems deeper, the press is less ferocious. we're counter-attacking a lot more and soaking up pressure well. It isn't pretty but if it ultimate leads to us being harder to beat while still picking up points, and we build the attractive football on top of it over time, it can only be a good thing.

I feel the less gung ho style is an attempt to lower the risk of injuries and avoid a repeat of last season.

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Howe has spelled it out quite plainly over the last week - we aren't equal match fitness across the team yet. You can't really adopt constant pressing if you're carrying anyone, they all need to be on it.

 

Gordon is a massive press trigger for us and he's the least sharp of them all.

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The low press and tight midfield/defensive line we are playing takes the sting out of most teams and they can only put it in from out wide...

I also like the quick counter with the pace we have up top.

Although, I think it makes us too one-dimensional and top teams will surely grind the low block down with their technical quality?

 

Hoping we start to play it about more with schar back and Tonali starting...

 

 

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7 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Roy Keane was rambling on about Howe's body language. Any idea what he was talking about?

He also said Haaland was league one level, so whatever he said was shit I’d guess.

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It wasn’t the best performance by any means but a lot of positives. The biggest positive for me is that the performance and how we set up felt more deliberate. I felt you could see what we were trying to do and that hasn’t been the case at times. I mentioned in yesterday but it reminded me of the back end of Howe’s first season where we looked solid and went on a great run.

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I do think the Howe high intensity style does mean basically if you are off it by 5% you look like shit cos suddenly you're not winning the ball back you've missed it and the ball is past you. I do wish though when we can't do the press so much we could pass it around better. If we can't win it back in the press so well we should be better at keeping it. It's like in full flow we will go for the high risk high reward passes because we know we will get the ball back soon if it goes astray. The players should know we aren't pressing so go for that less. I don't mind it around their box or like when Joelinton fed Murphy in build up, I do mind it when we are risky passing it in our own half and we rarely just try and slow the game down, which we should do if we ourselves aren't going for the press as we normally are.

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The possession thing is really tricky to judge. I would love a more possession-based team, but I know it's not Howe's main focus. 

 

That said, a lot of the time we lose the ball it's just an individual mistake from a player who is not very good technically, so those ones aren't tactical. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

The possession thing is really tricky to judge. I would love a more possession-based team, but I know it's not Howe's main focus. 

 

That said, a lot of the time we lose the ball it's just an individual mistake from a player who is not very good technically, so those ones aren't tactical. 

 

 

 

 

I get that, but sometimes there is decision making mistakes going on, i was getting wound up when we seemed to be passing into congested areas a lot which can work if we are our best but when sitting back a bit? There's a little bit of work can be done there to get players to judge better to make the pass out of trouble.

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