Eddie Howe

[Decky]

10 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

The Brentford cup game and the home games against Leicester and Ipswich are massive though. Failure in those games and he’s bang in trouble and rightly so.

 

Needs to be good performances now too. A 1-0 or 2-1 win won't please many if we're shite again.

[Whitley mag]

10 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

The Brentford cup game and the home games against Leicester and Ipswich are massive though. Failure in those games and he’s bang in trouble and rightly so.

Opposition who will park the bus and expose our gaps in midfield on the break.

[Tiresias]

I'm still in team howe, i dont really think theres a huge amount better available and I'm sure he will get us playing better. But we couldnt buy in summer, we didn't sell so we largely stayed the same over several transfer windows, staying the same just makes you go backwards normally and thats what has happened. We needs to refresh the squad in the summer, and that will probably mean some painful sales. 

[midds]

Snipped the top 10 of the PL after 13 games (from us), other teams may have played a different number. I'm just presenting it and each season will have different fixture lists etc but each one shows where we were after having played 13 of the other 19 teams in the division:

 

22/23

 

23/24

 

24/25

 

Take from that what you will and there are still 26 more fixtures to play for it to improve or decline. We don't get to make the decisions but the people who do will be looking 

[Gawalls]

2 hours ago, Cronky said:

 

It's not clear to me where you stand on that issue, but Eddie's ability to improve players through coaching is being underestimated here. At the time of their signing, Bruno had only 3 caps - he now has 32. Joelinton, Gordon, Livramento and Hall had none. We bought Isak at the time when his career had taken a dip, and Trippier is nearing the end of his career.

 

Tonali and Barnes are the only major signings that haven't kicked on as yet.

 

 

 

It was nothing to do with his training ability why I said it, it was in response to constantly reading things like “consider the squad… considering the players he had to work with”. Just saying you won’t get much sympathy from the likes of Crystal Palace on that front and even away from home in my opinion we should be looking to beat them.

[Gawalls]

13 minutes ago, midds said:

Snipped the top 10 of the PL after 13 games (from us), other teams may have played a different number. I'm just presenting it and each season will have different fixture lists etc but each one shows where we were after having played 13 of the other 19 teams in the division:

 

22/23

 

23/24

 

24/25

 

Take from that what you will and there are still 26 more fixtures to play for it to improve or decline. We don't get to make the decisions but the people who do will be looking 

Last season I think we had one of the hardest starts going, playing the whole top 6 I believe - this season we’ve had one of the easiest. Draw this up again when we’ve played Liverpool, Man City etc

[midds]

1 minute ago, Gawalls said:

Last season I think we had one of the hardest starts going, playing the whole top 6 I believe - this season we’ve had one of the easiest. Draw this up again when we’ve played Liverpool, Man City etc

Absolutely, it's never going to be a perfect comparison as the fixtures will all be different. It's just there to look at and draw inferences from

[Keegans Export]

Just now, midds said:

Absolutely, it's never going to be a perfect comparison as the fixtures will all be different. It's just there to look at and draw inferences from

There's someone on Reddit comparing equivalent results from last season and I think we're 1pt down from the same fixtures last season. 

[midds]

6 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

There's someone on Reddit comparing equivalent results from last season and I think we're 1pt down from the same fixtures last season. 

That's another good way to do it too

 

I did the whole league as it gives an idea as to how tightly bunched some of the clubs are and shows the points differences between positions. It's just data tbh and can and will be interpreted differently by different people. And even then people will also use the games themselves (the fabled 'eye test') they've seen to form their opinions with a bit of luck. 

[Gawalls]

48 minutes ago, Tiresias said:

I'm still in team howe, i dont really think theres a huge amount better available and I'm sure he will get us playing better. But we couldnt buy in summer, we didn't sell so we largely stayed the same over several transfer windows, staying the same just makes you go backwards normally and thats what has happened. We needs to refresh the squad in the summer, and that will probably mean some painful sales. 

But why didn’t we sell miggy and why did we buy a £10m striker we seem to have no interest in playing?

 

Not saying deciding the keep miggy and possibly others is on Howe but something isn’t working in the club - he should have gone, end of, we need to get better in selling 

[TRon]

3 hours ago, Cronky said:

 

It's not clear to me where you stand on that issue, but Eddie's ability to improve players through coaching is being underestimated here. At the time of their signing, Bruno had only 3 caps - he now has 32. Joelinton, Gordon, Livramento and Hall had none. We bought Isak at the time when his career had taken a dip, and Trippier is nearing the end of his career.

 

Tonali and Barnes are the only major signings that haven't kicked on as yet.

 

 

 

 

How do you square all of that with what we are watching this season?

 

 

[TRon]

28 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

There's someone on Reddit comparing equivalent results from last season and I think we're 1pt down from the same fixtures last season. 

 

That doesn't sound too bad until we remember we were playing CL football and had a squad decimated by injury. I think we were putting two goalkeepers on the bench in some games just to fill the quota.

[80]

4 hours ago, joeyt said:

Not sure if it's just my thinking but I feel the more options he has available to him,  the more we're struggling?

 

When the team was picking itself like with Almiron and Trippier on the right it was obvious they'd play but this must be the most options he's had available at his time here and yet we've no idea what our best team is

I think there's something in that. It's starting to look as though back in the hard times at the start, minds were concentrated in a way that meant we were squeezing every last drop out of the players we had to maximise our chances of - initially - survival.

 

It was really clear in-game scenarios were being worked on. I remember someone - maybe Targett - talking after our win at Brentford in '22, where they had a player sent off after 10 minutes, saying we'd previously trained on how to play and win against a 10 man team looking to defend, and that our team defaulted to those patterns when it actually occurred in a match.

 

But for nearly a year now we've looked like our ethos is just "Let's play"... And our performances have been degrading accordingly, as our old patterns gradually fade out.

[80]

9 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

That doesn't sound too bad until we remember we were playing CL football and had a squad decimated by injury. I think we were putting two goalkeepers on the bench in some games just to fill the quota.

Yep, exactly. We were meant to be over performing... The way I look at it, the fact we're in touching distance despite playing so badly is a sign we've missed a major opportunity.

[Gawalls]

1 minute ago, 80 said:

I think there's something in that. It's starting to look as though back in the hard times at the start, minds were concentrated in a way that meant we were squeezing every last drop out of the players we had to maximise our chances of - initially - survival.

 

It was really clear in-game scenarios were being worked on. I remember someone - maybe Targett - talking after our win at Brentford in '22, where they had a player sent off after 10 minutes, saying we'd previously trained on how to play and win against a 10 man team looking to defend, and that our team defaulted to those patterns when it actually occurred in a match.

 

But for nearly a year now we've looked like our ethos is just "Let's play"... And our performances have been degrading accordingly, as our old patterns gradually fade out.

Just a thought / not my opinion but just asking - do we think at Bournemouth and here so far he’s always had to work with small squads, restrictions and lack of options available to him so this is new?

[Tiresias]

I think the more likely thing is that they have been trying to adapt training to avoid injury crisis of last season but the result as been players not as fit. If thats the case people will point fingers but I'm not sure there's a right answer there. 

[80]

1 minute ago, Tiresias said:

I think the more likely thing is that they have been trying to adapt training to avoid injury crisis of last season but the result as been players not as fit. If thats the case people will point fingers but I'm not sure there's a right answer there. 

That could make sense, but I would've thought that would've made our players more tactically astute if we spent less time on blood and thunder training, and had more time for low intensity positional stuff.

[Cronky]

25 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

How do you square all of that with what we are watching this season?

 

 

 

As I said in an earlier post, our failure to strengthen during the summer has left us looking a bit stale. We needed some fresh blood into the first team - apart from anything else, to give the team and club a bit of an uplift after a tough season.

 

I don't think our form is due to Eddie Howe being exposed as a limited manager. That was my general point.

 

 

[ExiledGeordie]

1 hour ago, Whitley mag said:

Opposition who will park the bus and expose our gaps in midfield on the break.

It’s on him to come up with a solution though, he’s the manager. 

[ExiledGeordie]

12 minutes ago, Cronky said:

 

As I said in an earlier post, our failure to strengthen during the summer has left us looking a bit stale. We needed some fresh blood into the first team - apart from anything else, to give the team and club a bit of an uplift after a tough season.

 

I don't think our form is due to Eddie Howe being exposed as a limited manager. That was my general point.

 

 

I think it’s a combination of those factors to be fair. 

[TRon]

11 minutes ago, Cronky said:

 

As I said in an earlier post, our failure to strengthen during the summer has left us looking a bit stale. We needed some fresh blood into the first team - apart from anything else, to give the team and club a bit of an uplift after a tough season.

 

I don't think our form is due to Eddie Howe being exposed as a limited manager. That was my general point.

 

 

 

Did you see our bench yesterday? There was over £100m worth of talent sat there. I know we don't have Chelsea levels of reserves, but there's enough players to switch things around, I don't think we can use lack of options for looking stale.

[Heron]

5 hours ago, Erikse said:

 

No I am saying that we need to step up our game and take more than 1.46 points per game, because that is only good enough for ~9th come end of the season. Us being x amount of points behind someone doesn't change our results.

 

Let me get this straight - we are evaluating our own points and results up until now, right? 3rd place come end of season will 100% have more than 67 points. That's the only reason I brought that up. What we, a specific team, are going to do is more guesswork, and doesn't matter in terms of evaluating our results or points so far.

 

 

 

But the same goes for every club from us to third at present really l, and most will be asking the same. Villa, Spurs, Chelsea, etc.

 

We obviously need to perform better and get more points. To actually be...second even. I don't think anyone is disputing that, that's fact.

 

But the point is, we aren't the only club not finding consistent form.

[Myleftboot]

It’s a bit like eddies used to being the underdog and working miracles with Bournemouth and us when he first came in but now he has options he’s struggling. Maybe I’m wrong. 

[Ronaldo]

1 minute ago, Heron said:

But the same goes for every club from us to third at present really l, and most will be asking the same. Villa, Spurs, Chelsea, etc.

 

We obviously need to perform better and get more points. To actually be...second even. I don't think anyone is disputing that, that's fact.

 

But the point is, we aren't the only club not finding consistent form.

Chelsea are on course for 73 points.

[Heron]

4 hours ago, Gawalls said:

Our performances prove that to me - we’re getting worse on the pitch every game.

That's not right though unless toure literally talking about the kast two fixtures which is only like 16.7% of the season. We played better versus Man City, Everton, and a few others and didn't get the results that matched. That was after poorer performances but picking up results.

 

So that's a pretty small sample. Inconsistent aye, poor for the most part performance wise maybe but not getting worse every game.