Eddie Howe

[Yorkie]

Mad how I can still get so rattled by shit we were arguing about ten years ago. 

[Zero]

I think the question should be, if we failed again this season and finally go for the inevitable squad reset route, begin another round of rebuilding,

 

1. Would you still want Howe to be the one to lead us; and

2. Would PIF still trust Howe or ask Mitchell to bring in his choice?

[JEToon]

I know its probably the slight zig at a time when others are zagging but Schaar is a bigger issue this season than Burn for me, I appreciate one isn’t as aesthetically pleasing as the other though but if there is a player who actually is turning up on big occasions but not others its more Schaar than anyone, he has been borderline terrible in a few games this season.

 

It is almost like watching the defense at times it makes perfect sense you would have wanted an upcoming England international in there

 

 

Edited December 9 by JEToon

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

I genuinely feel Burn has been playing to his best ability close to constantly this season. 

[Kid Icarus]

Yeah, solely down to his consistency Burn has been comfortably our player of the season so far in my book. Something that tells its own story in terms of where we are at the moment, but no less true imo 

[Gallowgate Toon]

21 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

If Bunce is telling Howe to start Longstaff instead of Tonali then he needs to be ignored TBH. Our need for performances and points is greater than the need to protect to the players at the moment. 

 

Who knows.

Tonali rotated out was a very weird move, especially against a side you know will break at pace. He's had a year off, played far less this season than Bruno/Joelinton (who looks like he's struggling physically at the moment), and we had a week's break after the game. Maybe Tonali had a knock but we were happy to get him on for 30 so he must be decently fit at the very least.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

Tonali rotated out was a very weird move, especially against a side you know will break at pace. He's had a year off, played far less this season than Bruno/Joelinton (who looks like he's struggling physically at the moment), and we had a week's break after the game. Maybe Tonali had a knock but we were happy to get him on for 30 so he must be decently fit at the very least.

It will be managing minutes and load etc, but feels misguided for Tonali and Gordon who had just played well against Liverpool. We do blame Howe when people get injured as well though, so take your pick I suppose. 

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

It was somewhat maddening to watch a team perform very well and then be rotated to a loss. 

[Kid Icarus]

It's also difficult to put it down to that imo. 

 

Longstaff, Barnes and Murphy (not rotated, but he's always on the N-O chopping block) played well. Barnes made a mistake, but scored, Murphy got 2 assists, Longstaff played well.

 

A player that wasn't rotated had a stinker (Joelinton)

 

Then the players we apparently should have started with came on and to a man had really poor games, changed nothing about our defensive woes, and it completely fucked up our (until that point) threatening attack.

 

 

Edited December 9 by Kid Icarus

[Gallowgate Toon]

12 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

It will be managing minutes and load etc, but feels misguided for Tonali and Gordon who had just played well against Liverpool. We do blame Howe when people get injured as well though, so take your pick I suppose. 

I'm all for rotation, we have good capacity for it in certain positions, it just seemed to me like we rotated out the midfielder who seemingly needed it the least. I was actually pretty happy to see Barnes start and he was a good threat - just a shame he made that one crucial error.

 

 

Edited December 9 by Gallowgate Toon

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

It’s tough to play bits of games. Particularly in adverse conditions. Felt for Howe with the way we conceded. That’s not really a managers job to make sure players don’t let the ball bounce, don’t pass to the opposition striker. 

[ponsaelius]

56 minutes ago, sixx said:

If Howe is able to buy a player or two in january he won't really have any excuses not to finish in europe this season. We have to get some clean sheets and I want him to start Kelly in for Burn. 

 

Did you watch Kelly against West Ham?

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

I think a lot of people (not just our fans) are still in that mindset of thinking a manager change is the nearest thing to a silver bullet a club can do. Not that it isn't important, but there are imo clearly situations where managers are undoubtedly quality but something else is bottlenecking the club and a manager change will do nothing except freshen things up short-term or appease fans. 

 

 

 

Agree with this.  Look at Man U, Spurs - it’s not the managers that are the problem.  

 

1 hour ago, sixx said:

If Howe is able to buy a player or two in january he won't really have any excuses not to finish in europe this season. We have to get some clean sheets and I want him to start Kelly in for Burn. 

We don’t have any right to demand European football. 

[Checko]

Didn't see the Brentford game but the half time posts seemed to be generally saying we'd played well and should have been ahead. They had 2 goals from 0.15xG or something silly like that. Didn't sound like it was a dreadful starting set up tbf. After the flak he got for running players into the ground last year I'm not too worried about him starting to rotate a little bit.

 

I am a bit worried that we haven't had a period of playing consistently well for a year now. We had a good run of results near the end of last season but I don't think we were very convincing in the performances. There was some mitigation with injuries etc, but that and the way we still exclusively use the 433 set up that we've never been able to play good posession football with are causes for concern.

 

Still, every time it looks like Eddie's struggling he turns it around. Let's face it, If we'd beaten Brenford we'd be a couple of points off 5th after a couple of good results and everyone would be happy bunnies. Three good or bad results in a row completely changes the mood around a club.

 

 

Edited December 9 by Checko

[The College Dropout]

We were better at the end of last season for sure.  With a worse squad available.  
 

The June - Sep shit show has sidetracked us completely. 

[Doctor Zaius]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

So you do demand a team that wins?

 

 

 

 

I mean for the most part yes.

 

That's what we all want. Newcastle United to win games of football. That's the top and bottom of it. It's absolute nonsense to suggest otherwise imo. 

 

I always thought that banner was sanctimonious shite too. Nobody gives a flying fuck how Mike Ashley, PIF or any other cunt is running the club if we're consistently winning games. They certainly do if we aren't. 

 

[JEToon]

1 minute ago, Doctor Zaius said:

 

I mean for the most part yes.

 

That's what we all want. Newcastle United to win games of football. That's the top and bottom of it. It's absolute nonsense to suggest otherwise imo. 

 

I always thought that banner was sanctimonious shite too. Nobody gives a flying fuck how Mike Ashley, PIF or any other cunt is running the club if we're consistently winning games. They certainly do if we aren't. 

 

 

That's not even close to being true. 

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, Doctor Zaius said:

 

I mean for the most part yes.

 

That's what we all want. Newcastle United to win games of football. That's the top and bottom of it. It's absolute nonsense to suggest otherwise imo. 

 

I always thought that banner was sanctimonious shite too. Nobody gives a flying fuck how Mike Ashley, PIF or any other cunt is running the club if we're consistently winning games. They certainly do if we aren't. 

 

 

I mean speak for yourself and your own take on it like, but wanting and demanding aren't the same are they. We're talking about whether we demand a team that wins, not whether we want one. 

 

We all want one, not everyone demands one. 

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

14 minutes ago, Checko said:

I am a bit worried that we haven't had a period of playing consistently well for a year now. We had a good run of results near the end of last season but I don't think we were very convincing in the performances. There was some mitigation with injuries etc, but that and the way we still exclusively use the 433 set up that we've never been able to play good posession football with are causes for concern.

 

We are wedded to a system that was at it's most effective when we have less of the ball. We have tried to have more of the ball this year but do less with it (think we are having fewer touches in opposistion boxes than last year but with more possession). Our formation is at it's most potent when we have less of the ball. Teams have realised this and are quite happy for themselves to have less of the ball. 

I think the answer to this is to have Bruno higher up the pitch (as against liverpool). He can supply the ball to Isak quickly who likes to receive the ball a few yards in front of the centre backs. This can then open up space for wide players to cut into. I actually think Longstaff Tonali and Bruno would be fine as a 3. 

[Doctor Zaius]

I think every football fan of every club demands relative progress on the field. If that demand isn't met, then they call for whatever is hindering that progress to be rectified - whether that's the manager, ownership or players. At the heart of it all, it's a demand for on field progress, which basically equates to winning games. Scrape it all down and that's ultimately the top and bottom of it as far as I can see. 

 

 

[80]

2 hours ago, Slim said:

I'm not sure what your point is? My guess is you mean the opposite, but the club examining whether the manager is underperforming and looking to see what alternative candidates could offer would fit that banner to a tee.

 

 

Edited December 9 by 80

[Doctor Zaius]

17 minutes ago, JEToon said:

 

That's not even close to being true. 

 

Meh. We wanted rid of Ashley because he held the club back - which led to poor results on the field. We wanted PIF in because there's we'd progress under them. Is there actually much more to it?

 

 

Edited December 9 by Doctor Zaius

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said:

I think every football fan of every club demands relative progress on the field. If that demand isn't met, then they call for whatever is hindering that progress to be rectified - whether that's the manager, ownership or players. At the heart of it all, it's a demand for on field progress, which basically equates to winning games. Scrape it all down and that's ultimately the top and bottom of it as far as I can see. 

 

The crux of the banner was about the demand being to actually even try to make relative progress on the field at ownership level. If you think the demand of all football fans is progress in itself and not the attempt to, then obviously that's your opinion, but it's certainly not my demand or my opinion like. 

[JEToon]

2 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said:

 

Meh. We wanted rid of Ashley because he held the club back - which led to poor results on the field. We wanted PIF in because there's we'd progress under them. Is there actually much more to it?

 

 

 

 

 

I think you are mistaking your lack of research and education on this and imposing it on others here, but you do you.

 

The “we” who wanted Ashley gone did so because he was a risk to the clubs future for fuck sake

 

[Lush Vlad]

Stayed off here most of yesterday.  As I thought maybe I was being too emotionally charged with my views after yet another shit away performance/second half.  

 

But even now all of the annoyance, anger, disappointment and whatever else have mostly subsided from Saturday.  I still can't help thinking that I don't believe that Howe is going to turn this around and it just feels like we have seen that away performance and also the changes that make us worse, along with the game getting away from us, one too many times now.  

 

I don't think I'll ever be a vocal HOWE OUT type.  Not unless we were to go on some sort of Pardew/Bruce/Carver/McLaren type run of results, along with similar levels of performances that we saw under them.  As I really like the man and appreciate everything he has done.  He seems like a top bloke and all.  I genuinely want him to prove me and many others wrong and get us back on track.  I just can't see where it is coming from when there are so many issues at present and too many of the same mistakes being repeated.  

 

I have never got when a manager has the next 2-3 games to save their job.  As it is so short-term and it must mean there are serious doubts about them in the first place.  Getting a couple of good results doesn't suddenly solve all of the problems that exist.  However, to contradict myself a bit.  I do hope we can win our next 3 with some much better performances to match.  Then go into the tough run of festive fixtures with a bit of momentum and then who knows.