Eddie Howe

[Danh1]

23 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

The team that qualified for the Champions League first time round would have been about 4-0 up at the hour mark. The energy in that team was ridiculous, by far my favourite season of attending games. 
 

Obviously last season had the cup so will always be the best, but 22/23 was definitely my favourite Newcastle side.

 

 

Was one of my favourite seasons following us tbh, if not favourite. First full season after the takeover, everyone buzzing, the team continuing to exceed expectations. 

 

The atmosphere in the ground was great most of the season as well. Since then, whilst we can argue the team has regressed and the reasons for it, we as supporters have also regressed. 
 

 

 

Edited December 16, 2025 by Danh1

[Kid Icarus]

Don't think I've ever seen such a collective headloss over so little by our fanbase as after Sunday tbh, it's borderline hysteria.

[Danh1]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Don't think I've ever seen such a collective headloss over so little by our fanbase as after Sunday tbh, it's borderline hysteria.

I think it’s been brewing for a while.
 

The late goals we’ve conceded, the capitulation at Brentford, West Ham and Marseille, the poor performances and results on the road…..a big game like Sunday was always going to be a bit of a sliding doors moment. Another piss poor defeat against them seagull shagging cunts. Don’t think it’s “little”, but do agree there’s been head loss. 

[Kid Icarus]

3 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

I think it’s been brewing for a while.
 

The late goals we’ve conceded, the capitulation at Brentford, West Ham and Marseille, the poor performances and results on the road…..a big game like Sunday was always going to be a bit of a sliding doors moment. Another piss poor defeat against them seagull shagging cunts. Don’t think it’s “little”, but do agree there’s been head loss. 

It was a derby and it was a shit performance so it's always going to have an element of emotion and it's been a frustrating season, but the way people are talking you'd never think we'd won 7 and drawn 2 of our last 12 before Sunday would you.

[huss9]

11 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Don't think I've ever seen such a collective headloss over so little by our fanbase as after Sunday tbh, it's borderline hysteria.

not little.

sunday was the straw that broke the camels back for many.

[Crimson Cardigan]

Anyone who is Howe out at this point is a fucking lunatic. He’s made quite a few mistakes this season but his credit in the bank covers it and then some. 

[buzz]

1 hour ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Just from what I've heard from others, read and researched (as I only turned 3 during 03-04, so feel free to pull me up if talking shite again  ) that the football had turned dour; we won 13 games in 38, won 2 league away games all season which were both in October and we finished on 56 points. Competing with Liverpool, Charlton and Villa for a European spot whilst exiting both domestic cups early doors. And the performance against Marseille was the straw that broke the camel's back for many, all the while we lost to Man City (who finished 16th) and failed to beat either Southampton who had nothing to play for or an already relegated Wolves to miss out on Champions League late in the season.

 

Then summer 04, the two clubs who we were competing with in the previous couple of seasons for CL spots in Chelsea and Liverpool (less so Chelsea due to the Abramovich takeover) both moved on their well liked statesman-like managers in Houllier and Ranieri and replaced them with Benitez and Mourinho. We should've done the same with moving Robson on but didn't, instead waited until 4 games into 2004-05 to sack Robson and replaced him with Souness of all people. Robson, imo, if he wasn't going to be sacked in summer 04 he should've been given 2004-05. 

 

 

 

 

He would've had that final season had it not been for the Dyer incident on the opening day I imagine

[geordiesteve710]

53 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Just from what I've heard from others, read and researched (as I only turned 3 during 03-04, so feel free to pull me up if talking shite again  ) that the football had turned dour; we won 13 games in 38, won 2 league away games all season which were both in October and we finished on 56 points. Competing with Liverpool, Charlton and Villa for a European spot whilst exiting both domestic cups early doors. And the performance against Marseille was the straw that broke the camel's back for many, all the while we lost to Man City (who finished 16th) and failed to beat either Southampton who had nothing to play for or an already relegated Wolves to miss out on Champions League late in the season.

 

Then summer 04, the two clubs who we were competing with in the previous couple of seasons for CL spots in Chelsea and Liverpool (less so Chelsea due to the Abramovich takeover) both moved on their well liked statesman-like managers in Houllier and Ranieri and replaced them with Benitez and Mourinho. We should've done the same with moving Robson on but didn't, instead waited until 4 games into 2004-05 to sack Robson and replaced him with Souness of all people. Robson, imo, if he wasn't going to be sacked in summer 04 he should've been given 2004-05. 

 

 

This is spot on, from someone who was 22 at the time. Not only did they keep him on but he was backed in the transfer market as well and the squad was freshened up, Robson bringing in Kluivert as striker, Milner to replace Solano who had gone in January as well as Butt from Man Utd to replace Speed and spurs captain Carr as an upgrade on Aaron Hughes at right back. It didn't really work out for the latter two, but at the time of signing they were seen as real coups.

 

Sacking him after 4 games was a classic Freddy Shepherd move and lacked any real foresight, because after sacking we only then decided to start the search for a replacement and ended up with Graeme bastard Souness who is arguably the worst manager and caused more damage than anyone else in the club's history. Clubs simply don't operate like that these days and managed to stay in the Premier League.

 

Apropos to nothing, I wasn't at that Wolves game as I had one of my finals at uni the next day, but if ever a lap of thanks should have been cancelled it was then. Two massive away games left and if we'd won both we would have qualified for the CL, the players should have been left in no doubt that the season is NOT over and it's business as usual until the last kick at Anfield. Don't blame anyone for not hanging around for it.

[Kid Icarus]

5 minutes ago, huss9 said:

not little.

sunday was the straw that broke the camels back for many.

Yeah, that's basically just a description of the hysteria in my book. I don't even really know where to begin with how ridiculous some of the reaction I've seen has been. You'd think we had Klopp or Guardiola at our door just waiting to join us the way some are going on about what we should be expecting to get at all times.

 

 

Edited December 16, 2025 by Kid Icarus

[geordiesteve710]

15 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Don't think I've ever seen such a collective headloss over so little by our fanbase as after Sunday tbh, it's borderline hysteria.

 

Defeats to them lot always bring out a bit of a cry for revolution. 1990 playoffs and 1999 in the rain are arguably two derby defeats that did us the world of good in the long run. Iirc ashleyout.com was launched days after the Defoe 1-0 defeat.

 

This time I think it's more of a tantrum than anything profound. That said, even though it was the mackems I think the reaction wouldn't have been as bad if we were turning up away from home and beating teams and it was a one-off. But if anything it was a chance for undeserved redemption and they've still fluffed it.

 

I'm 100% Howe In fwiw, but on Sunday the substitutions and refusal to pull Elanga off at half-time were rank bad and he deserves criticising for it.

[geordiesteve710]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Yeah, that's basically just a description of the hysteria in my book. I don't even really know where to begin with how ridiculous some of the reaction I've seen has been. You'd think we had Klopp or Guardiola at our door just waiting to join us the way some are going on about what we should be expecting to get at all times.

 

 

 

 

Funny enough I read a rank bad rumour on this front today and I've never been more against a managerial change in my life

[Zero]

I ain’t saying I want Howe out, I fucking hope him to be able to turn it around but I am genuinely worrying for him. 
 

It is close to mission impossible to alter our plan A tactics at this point of time, and  with such a team that is build for that. Both Elanga and Ramsay are good at pressing hence we bought them. If we have intended to play other style of football, we shouldn’t buy these two. 100%.

 

I have been very critical re his squad management skills which leads to tons of injuries, but even so, I would rather Howe to push the players to the limit again this season to save his job. He can make good use of next summer, buy and sell a few players, and create a new game plan. The players also can have enough time for pre-season training and drilling. He shouldn’t do these at this moment, with such a team that simply not suit the current tactics he is trying.

 

I am genuinely worried.
 

 

[huss9]

1 minute ago, geordiesteve710 said:

 

Defeats to them lot always bring out a bit of a cry for revolution. 1990 playoffs and 1999 in the rain are arguably two derby defeats that did us the world of good in the long run. Iirc ashleyout.com was launched days after the Defoe 1-0 defeat.

 

This time I think it's more of a tantrum than anything profound. That said, even though it was the mackems I think the reaction wouldn't have been as bad if we were turning up away from home and beating teams and it was a one-off. But if anything it was a chance for undeserved redemption and they've still fluffed it.

 

I'm 100% Howe In fwiw, but on Sunday the substitutions and refusal to pull Elanga off at half-time were rank bad and he deserves criticising for it.

[huss9]

6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Yeah, that's basically just a description of the hysteria in my book. I don't even really know where to begin with how ridiculous some of the reaction I've seen has been. You'd think we had Klopp or Guardiola at our door just waiting to join us the way some are going on about what we should be expecting to get at all times.

 

 

 

i dont want him gone, but the reaction was not just  due to the sunderland game.

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, huss9 said:

i dont want him gone, but the reaction was not just  due to the sunderland game.

It's not due to it but it's what's caused it.

[TheBrownBottle]

I still think the match vs Fulham is far more important - now we’ve tasted winning a trophy (thanks Eddie) I know that I’d quite like to experience that again.  But I don’t see how recent performances can be waved away based on past record - to me, Howe’s past record is what should give him this season at least; but it’s not a blank cheque.  We’re also not in a position to waste hundreds of millions in fees on flops - and Howe has opened himself to shitloads of criticism by bringing his nephew in instead of the best possible available personnel.  I give a shit about NUFC, not Howe or any other manager’s legacy or reputation.   If keeping Howe on for a decade is best for the club; great.  If sacking him is best; great.  I don’t care about Howe either way in that regard. 
 

Again, Howe should be given the season to fix the issues - some of which are absolutely of his own making.  But carte Blanche so that some daft cunt who supports another club can’t call us ‘deluded’ or ‘spoiled’? Fuck that. 

 

 

Edited December 17, 2025 by TheBrownBottle

[Kid Icarus]

The spoiled and deluded tag won't just be coming from outside our fanbase. It comes as no surprise to me, but I reckon some are either having their eyes opened about the way the modern football fan sees things, or will have a rude awakening when they themselves realise the grass wasn't greener.

 

For some it seems like it's a badge of honour to be as ruthless as possible about anything and everything, going as far to include one of its most legendary managers in their disregard over honestly barely anything in the context of what he's achieved very recently. Think it's shameful tbh, the nerve of any of our fanbase talking about Liverpool not adhering to their 'you'll never walk alone' motto when our own house is filled with people that make you wonder what supporting a club actually means to them beyond what they can get out of it for themselves in the here and now.

 

 

Edited December 17, 2025 by Kid Icarus

[pinkeye]

I did not see the press conference but, I was told that Howe said something about the team without the experience of Nick Pope and the physicality of Jamaal Lascelles that the whole team dynamic has changed.....

 

Correct me if I am wrong but, I don't think Lascelles has played for a very long time, surely the way that this has been conveyed to me is not as black and white as it seems above??  

[r0cafella]

5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

The spoiled and deluded tag won't just be coming from outside our fanbase. It comes as no surprise to me, but I reckon some are either having their eyes opened about the way the modern football fan sees things, or will have a rude awakening when they themselves realise the grass wasn't greener.

 

For some it seems like it's a badge of honour to be as ruthless as possible about anything and everything, going as far to include one of its most legendary managers in their disregard over honestly barely anything in the context of what he's achieved very recently. Think it's shameful tbh, the nerve of any of our fanbase talking about Liverpool not adhering to their 'you'll never walk alone' motto when our own house is filled with people that make you wonder what supporting a club actually means to them beyond what they can get out of it for themselves in the here and now.

 

 

 

Spoiled by what? Our one league cup win? Or deluded by ownerships big talk? 

 

Really trying to understand why your putting the boot in on people who have a different perspective to you. The most outspoken one on here was either ignored or condemned? If your referring to comments from the cesspit known as twitter I would completely disregard them but that's just me. 

[Yorkie]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I still think the match vs Fulham is far more important - now we’ve tasted winning a trophy (thanks Eddie) I know that I’d quite like to experience that again.  

 

Defending it without Isak would be absolutely immense. I'm desperate for us to win tonight. 

 

There will be seven games separating the first leg semi-final and what is hopefully the nadir against Sunderland. We could be a changed team by then.

[huss9]

13 minutes ago, pinkeye said:

I did not see the press conference but, I was told that Howe said something about the team without the experience of Nick Pope and the physicality of Jamaal Lascelles that the whole team dynamic has changed.....

 

Correct me if I am wrong but, I don't think Lascelles has played for a very long time, surely the way that this has been conveyed to me is not as black and white as it seems above??  

yeah he mentioned those two amongst others and it did raise an eyebrow.

just was a very defensive presser all round.

first real pressure he's probabaly felt since getting us out of the relegation zone.

 

 

Edited December 17, 2025 by huss9

[Abacus]

I only just read what he said about Bruno's comments and don't agree. There was a line in there about what you say publicly, though, and it made me think that even if he thinks the same privately about things being a mess he'd never say it publicly. 

 

Hopefully he does think the same privately about our misfiring attack - there's just no benefit to stating it publicly either for our own team or for our opponents. Much improved game tonight please.

[Alberto2005]

22 minutes ago, pinkeye said:

I did not see the press conference but, I was told that Howe said something about the team without the experience of Nick Pope and the physicality of Jamaal Lascelles that the whole team dynamic has changed.....

 

Correct me if I am wrong but, I don't think Lascelles has played for a very long time, surely the way that this has been conveyed to me is not as black and white as it seems above??  

He did, but what puzzled me more is he was asked about the team been weak this season and mentioned players like Joelinton, Burn, Tripper, missing for the derby.

 

We've been weak all season with these players in the team.

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

Spoiled by what? Our one league cup win? Or deluded by ownerships big talk? 

 

Really trying to understand why your putting the boot in on people who have a different perspective to you. The most outspoken one on here was either ignored or condemned? If your referring to comments from the cesspit known as twitter I would completely disregard them but that's just me. 

 

It's the Eddie Howe thread, so I'm talking about Eddie Howe. 

 

Do you think I'm putting the boot in for people simply having a different perspective to me? Or do you think maybe I have more of an issue with what that perspective is? All types of heinousness can be categorised as 'a different perspective' it's about what that perspective is.

 

You're doing it yourself with your 'one league cup win' - yeah I am talking partly about that, that one league cup win in 50-odd or 70-odd years depending on when you're counting from. Or the two champions league qualifications, the complete revolution of our football and our success from the moment he walked in the door - basically everything that Howe has achieved right up until now that is now apparently all up for a chopping block debate in the service of what exactly? Because that's just how football is? Because we should never have to endure any set backs like every other club does? Because we should expect a consistent level of success at all times? No if, buts, maybes, or context?

 

It should be absolutely no surprise why anyone would think of some of our fans as spoiled, deluded, and entitled based on the overreaction to Sunday. And I mean on here just as much as I do anywhere else. Obviously that doesn't mean any criticism - Howe isn't exempt from that at all and I've seen plenty that's measured and fair, but I also think there's an endemic of myopia, amnesia, comparative illusion, and entitlement that's clear to see in a lot of it. 

 

The only thing that comes as a bit of a relief is that this isn't worse, even if I do still think 17% with another percentage of people having big doubts about him is in itself shameful. 

 

[Dr Venkman]

11 hours ago, Andy said:

 

Well exactly Ian, therefore their performances are open to criticism based on what they've done so far. 

 

We can't have a mentality of refusing to judge players until they've been at the club long enough for Howe to wave a magic wand at them. 

 

Looking behind the language used here, it reads like what you're saying is we should judge new signings quickly? Or have I misinterpreted? It seems wholly reasonable to me to reserve judgment until new players have had time to adjust/coaching/etc. Especially given what we've seen from Howe and the coaching staff in the past?

 

And I'll continue to argue that lumping Elanga and Ramsey together doesn't stand up to even basic scrutiny. They're not the same.