Eddie Howe

[Kid Icarus]

9 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

It can be argued what Keegan achieved was more successful unless you believe silverware is the only binary barometer of success. Or the rhetoric of ‘who can we get that will be any better’ which is the sort of belief that got ridiculed on here many a time in various different circumstances.

Us under Keegan were years I remember vividly and I love the man for what he did, but I'm under no illusion about the advantages he had compared to now.

 

We were massive spenders once we got to the Premier League and the competition at the very top was basically 'beat Man United and you win the league'. The circumstances we had under Keegan not only don't exist but aren't financially possible now.

 

Howe did something in much more difficult circumstances that no Newcastle manager pre-moon landing has achieved. Keegan was the architect of the blueprint for the club, but Howe is it's most successful and triumph-over-adversity engineer of that blueprint by a mile.

 

 

Edited February 7 by Kid Icarus

[Heron]

1 minute ago, midds said:

No, there's loads of stuff wrong off the park, you didn't imagine it 

 

But Howe's responsible for the stuff on it. He's picking the team, deciding tactics, training them each day, making subs and keeping them motivated. There has to be some accountability at some stage? 

Aye and they (nearly) all give their all. That says enough to me.

 

 

Edited February 7 by Heron

[Gallowgate Toon]

Eddie Howe has been the absolute best thing about the takeover, for me. Nothing gives me any hope that if he leaves that they'd make a good decision at all - we've been a shit show off the field for some time.

 

He's a great person & ambassador, and we've seen how good we could be with decent infrastructure around him. I believe he can evolve but he needs to be given space to do that. Last summer can't happen again - get shit done quickly, don't fuck about chasing players who don't want to join, and give him some proper time off.

 

It's been a gruelling couple of years and I think we're seeing a natural plateau/end. I think a number of players know their jig is up while others want out. A cup/CL run would be a fitting swansong.

[Heron]

Keegan is arguably more iconic for Newcastle fans and rightly so but in terms of world football no one remembers him for NUFC other than getting beat by Liverpool and losing the title emphatically to Man U.

 

Our name is engraved on a trophy because of Eddie Howe.

 

 

Edited February 7 by Heron

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Gallowgate Toon said:

It's been a gruelling couple of years and I think we're seeing a natural plateau/end. 

 

For the project as a whole or just because of the manager?

[Cf]

1 hour ago, Andy said:

 

Not from my perspective (since the post you quoted was replying to me).

 

I do think it's a fair assessment that we haven't played very well in a lot of games this season though. For a wide variety of reasons, it clearly isn't clicking at either end of the pitch and we have spent large chunks of this season looking both frail and blunt. It's difficult to pretend otherwise at this point.  

 

That said, people have to remain mindful that a lot of those reasons are external to the manager.

 

Yeah my response there wasn't to you in particular. 

 

I just think with our issues off the pitch in the summer, PSR, the fact we have about the 8th highest wage bill in the league, there are quite obvious reasons why we are struggling this season. 

 

YMMV but at times I don't think we have been as bad as been made out but I do agree we've a lot of times looked far from our best. 

 

I'm just conscious that we have a hard few weeks coming up as well. Things may well get worse before they get better. 

 

But Howe and this team have achieved things that weren't thinkable even 5 years ago. It's a time to be behind the team (whilst acknowledging changes are needed this summer) and supporting them rather than being out for blood. 

[Jonas]

1 minute ago, midds said:

No, there's loads of stuff wrong off the park, you didn't imagine it 

 

But Howe's responsible for the stuff on it. He's picking the team, deciding tactics, training them each day, making subs and keeping them motivated. There has to be some accountability at some stage? 

Aye its well beyond blaming external things for this consistently unimpressive performances. It has knocked a couple of percent of anything we were going to do this season but losing a top player shouldn't have caused a decline with no signs of a uptick like this. Lot of managers have that to put up with.

[Gallowgate Toon]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

For the project as a whole or just because of the manager?

Both. We've come out of the previous 2 summers with massive issues.

[TheBrownBottle]

4 minutes ago, Heron said:

Aye and they (nearly) all give their all. That says enough to me.

 

 

 

Howe’s post-match presser suggests that he doesn’t think they’re giving their all tbh 

[Kid Icarus]

Just to add as well, that a lot of this has made me realise that if the internet was a thing in the early to mid '90s, there'd have been a fair few people loudly questioning Keegan at the start of 93/94, the end of 94/95 and the start of 96/97, and our shocking performances in the cups.

 

 

Edited February 7 by Kid Icarus

[midds]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Yes, I was just addressing that part of your post because it's the part that would affect any manager. 

 

Nobody denies he's accountable for what he can control, there's just more than that to the overall bigger picture. 

It's all of the stuff that he can control that's pissing people off. The football is dire and results are shocking. 

 

Everyone accepts the hierarchy is deeply flawed but the stuff happening on the pitch is beyond awful. Howe controls all of that, that's his remit 

[Yorkie]

A team like Newcastle United burning brightly, but briefly, before plateauing...? in the era of PSR? Surely not.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, midds said:

It's all of the stuff that he can control that's pissing people off. The football is dire and results are shocking. 

 

Everyone accepts the hierarchy is deeply flawed but the stuff happening on the pitch is beyond awful. Howe controls all of that, that's his remit 

 

OK, but that's not what started this discussion, jeez

[La Parka]

Sorry for being a cunt.

 

But not sorry for noticing this season has been a write off for ages. 

 

Our midfield 3 holding hands is a terrible tactic. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 7 by La Parka

[nufc4eva]

Once again today though only 3 teams play a 433, us, Arsenal and Spurs. It doesn't work and he persisted with it all season. 4231 is most common

[Sandrotastico]

53 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

You’ve lost me there like.

 

Who’s a good coach ? Carrick ? 

Steve Holland - not intented as a pop at Howe, moreso the team around him.

[midds]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

OK, but that's not what started this discussion, jeez

The latest shit result doesn't start the discussion? I'm not following? 

 

I'll just leave it

[Jonas]

4 minutes ago, Heron said:

Keegan is arguably more iconic for Newcastle fans and rightly so but in terms of world football no one remembers him for NUFC other than getting beat by Liverpool and losing the title emphatically to Man U.

 

Our name is engraved on a trophy because of Eddie Howe.

 

 

 

Ridiculously spiteful

 

[Heron]

6 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Howe’s post-match presser suggests that he doesn’t think they’re giving their all tbh 

Haven't seen it bud so can only work off what I know....

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Jonas said:

Ridiculously spiteful

 

Also completely untrue - I don’t recollect losing the title ‘emphatically’.  I can still remember the pre-match crack before the final match against Spurs where there was still a small hope of winning the league. 

[bobbydazzla]

10 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Just to add as well, that a lot of this has made me realise that if the internet was a thing in the early to mid '90s, there'd have been a fair few people questioning Keegan at the end of 94/95.

And after 94/95 he had one season where we were immense till Xmas but then we completely fucked up what should have been an unassailable position.

 

And then he was gone by 97 because he’d fallen out of love with the job.

 

I love Keegan but what I see from Howe recently reminds me of Keegan leaving here.

 

 

Edited February 7 by bobbydazzla

[Erikse]

39 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Not a weird example at all. Villa were in our position this time last year and recovered, they spent and loaned big in January, then went on a mad run from March to May.

 

The only thing it really proves is that you can be in a terrible position and recover (Villa were 12th at the end of February), that you can buy yourself out of a hole with signings and that being in those situations doesn't necessarily mean that the manager is to blame. 

 

Not entirely true. They were at 38 points after 25. We're at 33 points. If we're going to match their final score of 66 points, we'd have to win 11 out of our last 13 games.

[Heron]

1 minute ago, Jonas said:

Ridiculously spiteful

 

The reality.

 

I adore KK but let's face it. He is the charismatic face of defeat in the PL era.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Heron said:

Haven't seen it bud so can only work off what I know....

Which is totally fair - but it’s definitely worth watching.  That’s the closest I’ve seen Howe come to kicking the players under the bus (they deserve the call-out, too).  It being Howe, he made a positive from it (that it means there’s plenty of room for improvement). 

[dcmk]

14 minutes ago, midds said:

No, there's loads of stuff wrong off the park, you didn't imagine it 

 

But Howe's responsible for the stuff on it. He's picking the team, deciding tactics, training them each day, making subs and keeping them motivated. There has to be some accountability at some stage? 

 

With the frequency of games he isn't training them everyday though.  That's the issue.

 

When we were dumped out of CL the previous time our form picked up significantly shortly afterwards.  The frequency of fixtures is an issue at the moment and a very big one.