Eddie Howe

[TRon]

1 hour ago, Lotus said:

Whether the terminology is correctly descriptive or not, we’ve won when we’ve outrun and/or out shithoused our opponents.

We don’t really outplay anyone from the off. We can look good after 70 mins when we’ve run them ragged and there’s space all over.

 

We’ve been very effective when pressing high with maximal intensity, forcing turnovers in dangerous positions and capitalising. 
 

When forced to use creativity and movement, skill and vision to open up fresh opponents, we’ve not really been that type of team. 
 

EH success = underdog mentality, ran further, jump higher, smash into them, harrass them, take the opportunities.

 

Thats why I think he got given the wrong players this summer.

 

Elanaga doesn’t have the engine to press constantly, Ramsey isn’t really physical at all, Wolt we’ve all been wrong about so far and Wissa isn’t Wilson.

 

 

Agree with all of that except the bit about him being given the wrong players this summer. He got the players he wanted mostly, or at least the ones which we could persuade to come here. There's no way anyone was signed over his head. 

[Pilko]

Realised today I shouldn't have been such a nob after the game yesterday and tried to goad people. Want to go on record and apologise for doing so as it's not helpful.

 

It was largely bourne out of frustration that everyone with a viewpoint that is somewhere in the middle seems to get pigeon-holed into Camp A: "HOWE OUT" or Camp Z: "HOWE CANNOT DO A SINGLE THING WRONG". Whereas there are camps B to Y that exist in the middle of that and a lot of people probably in Q-Y of "Howe is a fantastic manager, one of the best we've ever had, there's a boat load of mitigating circumstances as to why he's not able to get the team firing, however here are a few things he himself could do better in terms of matchday/selection".

 

Watched his presser from yesterday and he looked very sad. Whilst I do think there's loads he could do better in terms of in-game management etc, there is also the fact that absolutely nowt seems to drop for us in the box or deflect in our favour. Really hope we get the rub of the green at Spurs even if the performance is still not good and can put a win up.

[The Prophet]

7 hours ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

Incredible that the only defence of Howe from those with their heads in the sand is that he must have time on the training ground in order to deliver.

 

Which, in turn, means Howe can never be a successful manager in Europe, as he will never be afforded the luxury of week long breaks.

 

As for people bad mouthing KK, goes to show how desperate the situation is if we have people who are bemoaning others for being negative and in the next breath slagging off and belittling the achievements of club legends.

 

It’s also unusual to me that the club owners, who have undoubtedly made mistakes, are not afforded the same “credit in the bank”, despite also being part of our success.

 

There are multiple mitigating factors at play, but Howe is a manager who relies heavily on patterns of play and one-on-one coaching that usually has players performing above their accepted capability. 

 

This is second effort at managing a season with Champions League football, the first became a write off following injuries. He'll make mistakes, but some of us feel he should be afforded time to learn and adjust, particularly given the limitations of the squad. Far more successful managers, with far deeper squads have suffered the same struggles.

 

It is noticeable that a lot of the names put forward by fans who want him dismissed are also inexperienced in that regard. If you're advocating for change, surely you want experience of managing a Champions League campaign as a baseline?

 

That said, I'm not sure how in one breath we can talk about belittling the achievement of club legends, then on the next talk about "the only defence of Howe for those with their head in the sand" regarding the bloke who delivered the club it's first trophy in modern times, less than a year ago. The same geezer who was a penalty shootout away from guiding us to four semifinals in four seasons and will oversee our first ever Champions League knockout next week.

 

It's hard to tell if it's incredibly bad faith or just absolutely dense.

 

 

Edited February 8 by The Prophet

[Holmesy]

One of the alarming things we’ve seen this season is a regression of established players alongside no improvement in the new ones, which is a departure from what we’ve seen to-date under Eddie. 
It could be down to lack of coaching time on the training pitch but again, if we’re going to suffer so badly from playing in Europe, is it even worth it?

[Heron]

17 minutes ago, Holloway said:

Commendable spelling and grammar at this stage of the game 

 

Maybe I could have stopped short of being moderately abusive though

 

Apologies folk.

[nufc4eva]

6 minutes ago, Pilko said:

Realised today I shouldn't have been such a nob after the game yesterday and tried to goad people. Want to go on record and apologise for doing so as it's not helpful.

 

It was largely bourne out of frustration that everyone with a viewpoint that is somewhere in the middle seems to get pigeon-holed into Camp A: "HOWE OUT" or Camp Z: "HOWE CANNOT DO A SINGLE THING WRONG". Whereas there are camps B to Y that exist in the middle of that and a lot of people probably in Q-Y of "Howe is a fantastic manager, one of the best we've ever had, there's a boat load of mitigating circumstances as to why he's not able to get the team firing, however here are a few things he himself could do better in terms of matchday/selection".

 

Watched his presser from yesterday and he looked very sad. Whilst I do think there's loads he could do better in terms of in-game management etc, there is also the fact that absolutely nowt seems to drop for us in the box or deflect in our favour. Really hope we get the rub of the green at Spurs even if the performance is still not good and can put a win up.

 

Is it not a case of making our own luck?

 

I don't want Howe out, I want him to rethink what we are doing and choices being made, unfortunately it just feels like it's all going the wrong way and he isn't course correcting it. Feels like he believes in his system and expecting magic to happen. He is being massively let down by players such as Pope, Trips, Ramsey, Gordon, Murphy, Wissa and Woltemade with very few showing their real quality this season. Hall, Miley and Bruno possibly only 3 that can say have given everything this season.

[KennyUtd]

4 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

One of the alarming things we’ve seen this season is a regression of established players alongside no improvement in the new ones, which is a departure from what we’ve seen to-date under Eddie. 
It could be down to lack of coaching time on the training pitch but again, if we’re going to suffer so badly from playing in Europe, is it even worth it?

That's the paradox. Brilliant when we get into Europe. Absolutely brutal playing all the games with a squad not entirely up to it.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

12 minutes ago, Pilko said:

Realised today I shouldn't have been such a nob after the game yesterday and tried to goad people. Want to go on record and apologise for doing so as it's not helpful.

 

 
You could shank me da and I’d still thank you for wok manifesto. 

[Kid Icarus]

Gonna have to try that place next week like. 

[Pixelphish]

8 minutes ago, Heron said:

 

Maybe I could have stopped short of being moderately abusive though

 

Apologies folk.

Hangxiety on another level when wor Heron woke up and realised he besmirched Saint Keegan then cussed everyone out.

[LiquidAK]

15 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

That said, I'm not sure how in one breath we can talk about belittling the achievement of club legends, then on the next talk about "the only defence of Howe for those with their head in the sand" regarding the bloke who delivered the club it's first trophy in modern times, less than a year ago. The same geezer who was a penalty shootout away from guiding us to four semifinals in four seasons and will oversee our first ever Champions League knockout next week.

 

It's hard to tell if it's incredibly bad faith or just absolutely dense.

This is the bit for me that leaves me a little incredulous at the strength of feeling some seem to have against him. It was so recently that he gave us the best day of our NUFC-supporting lives. I've seen several variations of "how much time does he get? When does the credit run out?" As if he's living off successes from years ago - he gets more than 2/3rds of the following season after pulling off the unthinkable, that's for sure.

[Chicken Dancer]

Can’t help but feel for the bloke on a personal level. Looks absolutely exhausted and he’s given everything to us the past 4 years. 
 

I really hope it doesn’t get nasty for him but got a horrible feeling it’s heading that way. 

[LionOfGosforth]

2 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Can’t help but feel for the bloke on a personal level. Looks absolutely exhausted and he’s given everything to us the past 4 years. 
 

I really hope it doesn’t get nasty for him but got a horrible feeling it’s heading that way. 

 

If there's one thing you can rely on a decently large section of our home support to do, it's stick the boot in and give the manager a good going over when times are tough

[bobbydazzla]

27 minutes ago, KennyUtd said:

That's the paradox. Brilliant when we get into Europe. Absolutely brutal playing all the games with a squad not entirely up to it.

That’s the scenario PSR is designed to create  

[LionOfGosforth]

29 minutes ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

 
You could shank me da and I’d still thank you for wok manifesto. 

 

Is this in Newcastle?

 

Edit - After a quick Google, aye, looks canny

 

 

Edited February 8 by LionOfGosforth

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Aye just off Northumberland street 

[wong989]

Has to be said the problems go far beyond Howe. The people running the club were supposedly ailing ti make us no1. On the pitch Howe has overachieved and our board backed us well the first couple of years. Since the power struggles or whatever happened, it’s a shambles. We won’t challenge regularly until we buy players whose value and quality rises quickly. While the team has been top 5 the board and sporting operations has been top 12 barely the last couple years. Signings have always been one of Howes less impressive areas. We need to get better off the field before we have a hope of competing regularly. Then, when we have a decent squad and some variety, if Howe can’t show some flex, I’d consider someone else, don’t know who, but someone 

[LionOfGosforth]

Just now, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

Aye just off Northumberland street 

 

Really good I assume? Will be over in April and always on the lookout to try somewhere new

[Heron]

20 minutes ago, Pixelphish said:

Hangxiety on another level when wor Heron woke up and realised he besmirched Saint Keegan then cussed everyone out.

Ner I still believe what I was saying about Keegan. I adore the bloke too and he is truly iconic for us. He's probably done more for the club than Howe overall. But Howe winning Newcastle a cup will mean he surpasses Keegan as (potentially) our greatest ever manager for many, certainly outside of the NUFC fanbase.

[Heron]

2 hours ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Can’t help but feel for the bloke on a personal level. Looks absolutely exhausted and he’s given everything to us the past 4 years. 
 

I really hope it doesn’t get nasty for him but got a horrible feeling it’s heading that way. 

Why would anyone wanna be nasty to Howe?! He's a perfect gentleman and a model pro. That's rhetorical btw

 

 

Edited February 8 by Heron

[Interpolic]

10 minutes ago, LionOfGosforth said:

 

If there's one thing you can rely on a decently large section of our home support to do, it's stick the boot in and give the manager a good going over when times are tough

 

we are elite at this. Players too. Always works wonders. 

[LionOfGosforth]

Just now, Interpolic said:

 

we are elite at this. Players too. Always works wonders. 

 

If only this energy could be channeled towards supporting when the players actually need it, you know, outside of CL nights and big cup games. You never know, might even help.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

9 minutes ago, LionOfGosforth said:

 

Really good I assume? Will be over in April and always on the lookout to try somewhere new

Yeah, unpretentious, emphasis on the food, limited menu. Near perfect. Go hungry. 

[OoOGazOoO]

1 hour ago, huss9 said:

bigger mistake was murphy just returning from injury rather than elenga who has been improving and needs a run of games.

Yeah, obviously none of us are privy to any of the data at their fingertips, but on paper it seemed a very very strange decision

[Wallsendmag]

22 minutes ago, LionOfGosforth said:

 

If there's one thing you can rely on a decently large section of our home support to do, it's stick the boot in and give the manager a good going over when times are tough

 

The fanbase, especially these days, are more eager to make noise in a negative way than a positive one. Look at how many people are quick to jump on players backs, boo at HT/FT but you never see them joining in with singing, or up out their seats supporting in a positive way.

 

I said it on here the other week but the only thing Souness ever got right here was when he said we had 30k supporters and 20k customers inside the ground. That 30k number will now be lower 20 years on and the 20k figure will be higher.