Eddie Howe

[vexred]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Look at the relative tools at the disposal of the two managers today - that shitshow was the result of a disparity in quality in favour of Sunderland?  And who signed those players?

 

We were without Bruno, Tonali and Miley. Anyone will struggle without those key players. I agree about the squad overall. It's a horrible squad he's put together. 

[Holloway]

Hmmm, dark kneejerk mood, I'd take a step back meself. I'm staying off Twitter,like 

[jemo96]

4 minutes ago, Fak said:

 

Inside info?

Tea lady says he refused a digestive which is a worry 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Look at the relative tools at the disposal of the two managers today - that shitshow was the result of a disparity in quality in favour of Sunderland?  And who signed those players?

I don’t think Sunderland played well either TBH, they looked crap. 

[Yorkie]

If people want the manager to get sacked because Sunderland did the double over us then in all honesty I don't think that's a particularly outlandish view. It's not one I hold, but I do understand it. I wish people had held that view en masse 13 years ago, and maybe we would've made progress as a club more quickly. I can't describe how galling it would be for Pardew to have survived all of those derby horrors, only for Howe not to.

 

My opinion on him hasn't changed and I honestly can't see it doing so in any circumstances this season really. I think it's fair to say he's had an absolutely terrible week and his choices in Barcelona ultimately led to today's surrender; the players needed more help from him. However, for me, the bigger picture remains that he's the right person for this job and there are things more accountable to our forgettable season than him. 

[midds]

I think he's going to struggle to get/keep a sizeable chunk of the fans back after that disaster today. Yet again he's been badly let down by some shocking players just not doing the basics, the passing was shit, they picked up every loose ball and kept it better too. We just stood off them and watched them knock it about at will. 

 

What Howe needs to worry about is this repeated and conscious way of managing games. We were gifted a goal, had a platform to build something and get the second. But yet again we backed off, dropped the tempo, conceded time and space whilst simultaneously having gaps all over the place and losing our shape. They step it up, gain confidence and we start to tire. Howe watches it all happen, doesn't change anything, they inevitably score and then he reacts. It's all too familiar and I find it ridiculous to say it's bad luck or just one of those days, it's clearly not when it's happened dozens of times. 

 

To lose like that yet again to that lot will be the final straw for thousands of fans. It was the one game he couldn't afford to have history repeating itself and it's exactly what has happened. Not sure he can put it right, change his way of managing or get the fans back now, it's all too familiar at this point, we all saw it coming from about the 32nd minute - including Howe. His players have let him down again but he's the bloke in charge, I'd love to know what he says at half time too

[ohmelads]

You don't survive losing at home to the mackems, especially after our form this season and losing away to these cunts as well. 

 

Will we find a better coach? I'm not sure I trust this board enough. They might, but I feel there's just as much chance we spiral into decline. The problems run deeper than the manager. The rules also completely hamstring us and recruitment has been poor ever since the whole Mitchell mess.

 

The only silver lining is we're better off finishing outside of Europa/Conference to avoid the 15% SCR hit. 

[SUPERTOON]

For anyone wanting him out, and I’m on the fence, the biggest question is, would you trust those running the club to act of a timely manner and get an upgrade in ? 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, AngelofTheFourth said:

The people I find most frustrating are the ones saying “give him another season.” The reality is, we likely won’t even be in Europe next season so the same issues probably won’t come up anyway. But we can’t afford to keep bouncing in and out of European competitions like this. It’s not sustainable financially or competitively.

 

Howe has clearly struggled when it comes to balancing UCL football, and that’s something we can’t ignore. So what’s the plan? Keep him for another season, then sack him whether he gets UCL or not?

 

 

If you mean the CL I think I’d expect to bounce in and out of it regardless of our manager. There’s only 4 or 5 places for 7 or 8 clubs. 

[Smal]

Mitchell and Eales literally created the whole conflict with Howe over transfers. They lost any leverage they had when Howe won a cup and qualified for the champions league off the back of years of recruitment that came good. 

 

This summer just gone was a mess and it was almost entirely their fault. 

[HalloNUFC]

Interesting to see what new version of Howein copium is coming to the market 

[OoOGazOoO]

There's so much to love about the guy, but this season has been horrific.

 

We don't look threatening in the slightest and yes we have been trying to get as far as possible in competitions, but then you have to come back to the business we did in the summer, it just wasn't and still isn't what we needed to kick us on. Thiaw aside, can you really say any of the signings have made a real impact, and I mean, not having the bar so low that an average performance is now viewed as 'good', because I am struggling with that reality.

 

We genuinely cannot have another summer which replicates the last.

[Andy]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I don’t think Sunderland played well either TBH, they looked crap. 

 

They are crap and have been for months. That is more damning on us though, unfortunately. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

If people want the manager to get sacked because Sunderland did the double over us then in all honesty I don't think that's a particularly outlandish view. It's not one I hold, but I do understand it. I wish people had held that view en masse 13 years ago, and maybe we would've made progress as a club more quickly. I can't describe how galling it would be for Pardew to have survived all of those derby horrors, only for Howe not to.

 

My opinion on him hasn't changed and I honestly can't see it doing so in any circumstances this season really. I think it's fair to say he's had an absolutely terrible week and his choices in Barcelona ultimately led to today's surrender; the players needed more help from him. However, for me, the bigger picture remains that he's the right person for this job and there are things more accountable to our forgettable season than him. 

I understand it from fans but I still think it would mental to give it too much weight in a big decision like who your manager should be. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I don’t think Sunderland played well either TBH, they looked crap. 

They should - their squad is worth a fraction of ours.  The man has spent enough money that we shouldn’t look equally shit. 

[Milburn]

4 minutes ago, stabmasterareson said:

The question was specifically about a shortlist.  Is that true or did you make that up as a stick to beat Howe with? 

I don’t know if that specific shortlist is true or not and I’m not claiming inside knowledge. I’m just applying a bit of logical reasoning.

 

Based on Mitchell’s track record and his own public statements, it seems pretty unlikely he’d be pushing to overpay for a 30-year-old. His whole model has consistently been about identifying younger talent from abroad and building value that way.

[1892er]

If we didn't spend all that money last summer would we have looked any worse than we currently do? Woltemade hasn't scored in what 20 games, Wissa can't get a game, Elanga looks terrible. Granted Thiaw has been good and Ramsey has showed signs. We could have saved £170m and looked exactly the same.

[JasMann]

1 minute ago, Smal said:

Mitchell and Eales literally created the whole conflict with Howe over transfers. They lost any leverage they had when Howe won a cup and qualified for the champions league off the back of years of recruitment that came good. 

 

This summer just gone was a mess and it was almost entirely their fault. 

Not true. Mitchell yes, a snake but Mitchell didn’t force Eddie to bring in his nephew did he? 

[GEFAFWISP]

This cunt been sacked yet?

[Menace]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

For anyone wanting him out, and I’m on the fence, the biggest question is, would you trust those running the club to act of a timely manner and get an upgrade in ? 

 

Nope. Today was enough for me, but our higher ups have shown absolutely nothing to suggest they're capable of hiring a better manager. Our sporting director is his mate and the CEO is someone who did marketing for Madrid and grew an MLS team ffs 

[Geordie Ahmed]

6 minutes ago, Teasy said:

 

Aye, Howe deserves to be treated and talked about with respect for what he's done here.  But the idea we should pretend he's good enough out of loyalty is completely crazy.

Those backing him aren't pretending out of loyalty

 

It's based on his time here and him having done a very good job overall

 

Those backing him believe he can get us performing well again, obviously those wanting him out think otherwise 

 

I still want him here next season, if however I don't see improvements on the issues that have appeared this season then I'll probably join those saying he's stagnated now

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, JasMann said:

Not true. Mitchell yes, a snake but Mitchell didn’t force Eddie to bring in his nephew did he? 

Why are you obsessed with Andy Howe? 

[Teasy]

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

But that’s not what credit in the bank really means, is it? It means he’s shown he’s a good manager

 

No, it's looking at the past and saying he's had some success without a reasoned argument as to why.  Because if you have a real argument to why he's a good manager then why would you need to talk about "credit in the bank".

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I don’t think Sunderland played well either TBH, they looked crap. 

 

 

They are crap, but even before the game I knew we would struggle agains them because they don't lie down. 

 

We lack genuine quality so we couldn't beat them with that, and they have more fight and character so they will always win a battle. 

[toontownman]

2 minutes ago, AngelofTheFourth said:

The people I find most frustrating are the ones saying “give him another season.” The reality is, we likely won’t even be in Europe next season so the same issues probably won’t come up anyway. But we can’t afford to keep bouncing in and out of European competitions like this. It’s not sustainable financially or competitively.

 

Howe has clearly struggled when it comes to balancing UCL football, and that’s something we can’t ignore. So what’s the plan? Keep him for another season, then sack him whether he gets UCL or not?

 

 

 

Another set of problems is how badly this season has been fucked in terms of missed opportunity.

 

Manure are now firmly back in a good position and if spuds stay up (looking most likely) they will be all out with money competing for players and a top class manager.

 

We had a chance to try and bridge a gap slightly but now we are behind with key players likely to be sold.

 

Liverpool and Chelsea have been shite too. We have picked the worst year to find an innate mental ability to throw away leads while simultaneously regress in the basic footballing attributes.