Kid Icarus Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said: This gets trotted out on here regularly, as well as, “people only want him to go after a defeat”, but you only need to read through the credible comments across these pages to recognise the concerns with Howe go throughout his time with us and Bournemouth. It gets trotted out because it's completely accurate. Whatever concerns you might have had throughout his time here, they were concerns and you weren't calling for him to be sacked until this season - the one season he hasn't been overwhelmingly successful. Edited March 23 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) 8 minutes ago, RS said: Can’t help think that our fan base expects far too much. It plays into opposing fans views on us perfectly. We are, and nearly always have been, a bang average club. PSR will always keep us as exactly that. To be anything else, it will need a slow build. The key focus on youth development and finding potential. Changing managers because of 1 poor season is a knee-jerk reaction. Last season Eddie was being hailed as a local hero. Now the fans are collecting their pitchforks to drive him out of the club. I do agree and its short sighted to think all will be rosey if you change the coach/manager every one of them has flaws or quirks and Howe isnt the exception to that. The results after the cup final I dont remember being particularly great losing the last game of the season and not ending "on a high" wasnt great followed by a pre-season where I dont remember winning any of the games meant we almost walked into what should have been a great 25/26 season due to finally being able to spend again and getting back into the champions league with almost a dark cloud over the clubs head. This seems to have really knocked the togetherness of the lads and allowed mental fragility/doubt to infect the squad which in turn has led to so many dropped points. Unfortunately for Eddie he will ultimately take the fall as he has assembled and guided the team. Had we gotten a striker in who could get us 12/15 goals and a keeper who could receive a pass and save a shot things may have been different but despite how far down the picks ultimately were on the list they still were on a list or a sub/back up list so ultimately Howe signed off on them. Edited March 23 by nufcjmc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Joel Inton Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Just now, Kid Icarus said: It gets trotted out because it's completely accurate. Whatever concerns you might have had throughout his time here, they were concerns and you weren't calling for him to be sacked until this season. That’s because I’ve given him time to adapt and change and improve and not based my decision on “one season” or “one defeat”. At what stage can you suggest a change is needed without it correlating to one specific moment in time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, Sir Joel Inton said: That’s because I’ve given him time to adapt and change and improve and not based my decision on “one season” or “one defeat”. At what stage can you suggest a change is needed without it correlating to one specific moment in time? How did that go up until this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis H Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 "Sir Bobby said: "I can't stop the reaction of the crowd. They are what they are. We thanked the ones who stayed behind. "But I have to remind one or two people that this club has played 28 times in Europe over the last two seasons. A few seem to have forgotten that. The expectation here is so high." "Five of our big players did not play. All five would have played and you have to remember that. My policy has not been to talk about the injuries but we've lost first-team regulars." "We'll need to have resolve and commitment to qualify for the Champions League now. My message to everyone is to get your head up and your chin up. "There are still two games to play. In football you always have a chance and you have to believe that.". If you know, you know. Some things never change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Joel Inton Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Just now, Kid Icarus said: How did that go up until this season? Well, I had the concerns and said “hopefully he’ll learn and adapt, let’s give him time to work it out and hopefully we won’t see a repeat of the same mistakes”. A bit like you are now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 3 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said: Well, I had the concerns and said “hopefully he’ll learn and adapt, let’s give him time to work it out and hopefully we won’t see a repeat of the same mistakes”. A bit like you are now. I'm not even doing that tbh, I think everyone focusing on Howe now have lost the plot, never mind when anyone was focusing on him while he was delivering us success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 57 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said: Wanting him gone for the numerous reasons people have highlighted is one thing but I find the bit in bold absolutely mad like If the Botman header goes in and we see the game out or if Gordon doesn't send the ball into the atmosphere twice you'd be fine for him to stay? Yeah unforgivable losing to them cunts twice in the manner we have. Everyone has their tipping point mine was yesterday unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 hours ago, Weezertron said: He gets next season. Always would have in my book. He has quite a bit to improve on though. I’m bored to shit, personally. We’ll see how badly our last summer window dents our future when the season ends and our transfer plans reveal themselves. He'll get next season but it will be interesting to see if he has as much say over the transfers in/out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 8 minutes ago, Ellis H said: "Sir Bobby said: "I can't stop the reaction of the crowd. They are what they are. We thanked the ones who stayed behind. "But I have to remind one or two people that this club has played 28 times in Europe over the last two seasons. A few seem to have forgotten that. The expectation here is so high." "Five of our big players did not play. All five would have played and you have to remember that. My policy has not been to talk about the injuries but we've lost first-team regulars." "We'll need to have resolve and commitment to qualify for the Champions League now. My message to everyone is to get your head up and your chin up. "There are still two games to play. In football you always have a chance and you have to believe that.". If you know, you know. Some things never change. Did we ever lose a derby under SBR? I can't remember one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Just now, Alberto2005 said: Did we ever lose a derby under SBR? I can't remember one. 2000, Quinn and Hutchinson. Gary Speed for us in the 2nd minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I really don’t know where I stand with howe. I think it might be time for a change but at the same time the thought of Howe managing another team in the premier league is depressing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, 365 said: Howe is a fantastic manager. The only one with both ability and respect since Robson. Before Robson we have to go back to Keegan. No one else comes close since Joe Harvey. We should keep Howe as long as we can. Do not criticise him. Love him. Our challenges do not relate to Howe, but to owners who have not yet sorted out investment in training facilities and a new 100,000 seat stadium, beside the current stadium, with 20,000 seats reserved for 13 to 20 year olds in Newcastle @ £5 per match. Fantastic post! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, Nucasol said: 2000, Quinn and Hutchinson. Gary Speed for us in the 2nd minute. That was the one where Shearer missed a late pen to make it 2-2, wasn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Joel Inton Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: I'm not even doing that tbh, I think everyone focusing on Howe now have lost the plot, never mind when anyone was focusing on him while he was delivering us success. So you’re criticising people for having concerns which you feel are based on one season, whilst simultaneously criticising people for having concerns over both the successful and not successful periods? Sounds like you’re just unwilling to accept concerns exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 3 minutes ago, Nucasol said: 2000, Quinn and Hutchinson. Gary Speed for us in the 2nd minute. Ah yeah Shearer missed a pen forgot about that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolc157 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 A decent run of matches and we’re a kick in the arse off a place in Europe… not a bad season in my book… If we don’t qualify for Europe, we’re set up for a stronger season next time, less matches, more time on the training pitch and a key focus on domestic cups… looking forward to that too… Either way we need to put this weekend behind us and crack on… do we need changes to players, yes… will it happen, yes… can we rely on Eddie, course we can… we have a manager that really cares about this club and that says a lot… sometimes we really do need to be careful what we wish for… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 3 minutes ago, llcoolc157 said: A decent run of matches and we’re a kick in the arse off a place in Europe… not a bad season in my book… If we don’t qualify for Europe, we’re set up for a stronger season next time, less matches, more time on the training pitch and a key focus on domestic cups… looking forward to that too… Either way we need to put this weekend behind us and crack on… do we need changes to players, yes… will it happen, yes… can we rely on Eddie, course we can… we have a manager that really cares about this club and that says a lot… sometimes we really do need to be careful what we wish for… I remember people saying this after we'd played 7 games of the season. Now we have people saying it when we have 7 games left. I think we'd have to win just about all of them to recover this campaign but we can always live in hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Just now, TRon said: I remember people saying this after we'd played 7 games of the season. Now we have people saying it when we have 7 games left. I think we'd have to win just about all of them to recover this campaign but we can always live in hope. The final 5 games is when we will really show the league what we are about! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Any stupid cunts from The Mag in here ? If so, fuck off into the sea with this shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said: So you’re criticising people for having concerns which you feel are based on one season, whilst simultaneously criticising people for having concerns over both the successful and not successful periods? Sounds like you’re just unwilling to accept concerns exist. Think it's more a case of being unwilling to accept that mitigating circumstances might be a much bigger factor in our season, on your part. I accept the concerns exist, I just think putting them front and centre as the reason for why the season's turned put how it is is confirmation bias. Managers, even the very best ones, aren't infallible things that constantly triumph over adversity. Edited March 23 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guillaume Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 While the table says we are still in with a shot of Europe, do people genuinely think this team will pull it off? Too many daft results, particularly in the last few weeks now I think. Nothing to suggest this team can win 4 or 5 more this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, Geordie Ahmed said: No, I want Howe to stay because I believe he can get us performing above par, it has nothing to do with anyone else If I get to a stage when I think Howe isn't able to do that then I'd call for a change Above par for the first 18 months, around par until last summer, below par since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 minutes ago, Guillaume said: While the table says we are still in with a shot of Europe, do people genuinely think this team will pull it off? Too many daft results, particularly in the last few weeks now I think. Nothing to suggest this team can win 4 or 5 more this season. It wouldn't surprise me if we won 5 or 6, but equally I also wouldn't be surprised if we only got another 5 or 6 points. If the players come back from internationals and play like it's shit or bust I think we'll be alright and at least get close though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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