Eddie Howe

[Hovagod]

Just now, The Prophet said:

 

I do agree that we need some form of PIF presence at the club, it doesn't even have to be a full time employee.

 

How come Howe's role needs to be adjusted though?

Take him away from transfers.

[Geogaddi]

2 hours ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

 

 

I love the guy but I just don’t think he can take us to the next level. 

No manager could get us to the next level whatever that is under the current FFP rules, if you want to challenge for titles which I presume is what you mean they you need the best players and you only get them if you pay the best wages which is something we aren't allowed to do. Our ceiling due to PSR is challenging the top 5/6 each season and having a decent cup run whilst maybe winning a trophy along the way.

[The College Dropout]

14 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Folk aware aware that Andy Howe reports into Steve Nickson, who reports into Ross Wilson right?

 

I struggle with who's doing satire and who isn't these days.

Now - ok. But in the summer Howe didn't report to Nickson.

[The Prophet]

9 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

Take him away from transfers.

 

Not for me like. Almost all managers will want input as part of a transfer committee, plenty will want final say as ultimately it is them that will utilise the player.

 

Up until the summer, our incoming business was impeccable, so Howe's input obviously isn't detrimental.

 

He obviously has to take some accountability for last summer, but he was forced into de facto Sporting Director role, a position he should never have been in. That won't be the norm going forward and seems like a harsh stick to best him with, even if he's not completely blameless.

[The Prophet]

10 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Now - ok. But in the summer Howe didn't report to Nickson.

 

That's not the norm though.

[Drewboy74]

13 hours ago, andycap said:

He's had four years to switch it up though. And we still play 4-3-3.

Has he not tried different tactics and formations though? Yes predominately 433 but he has switched it round a few times. Not being able to train (which is Howe's main strength) properly, is a big factor in how our league season has gone.

[Wallsendmag]

4 hours ago, Dr Venkman said:

This sort of thing just comes across as hyperbole. We’ve won 2 of our last 3 league games. We can’t be shite at absolutely everything now, unless those two wins were just down to luck?

 

Or 1 out of our last 5 depending on how you want to dress it up I suppose, against Chelsea. That was actually an anomaly as it was a great defensive performance uncharacteristic of the season generally, our only clean sheet in the last 17 games, so I was somewhat surprised that for the following match he changed 50% of the defence around. We ended up conceding 7.

[The Prophet]

3 minutes ago, Drewboy74 said:

Has he not tried different tactics and formations though? Yes predominately 433 but he has switched it round a few times. Not being able to train (which is Howe's main strength) properly, is a big factor in how our league season has gone.

 

Yep, he's tried absolutely loads of variations and usually has a tailor-made plan for the opposition.

[Chicken Dancer]

5 minutes ago, Drewboy74 said:

Has he not tried different tactics and formations though? Yes predominately 433 but he has switched it round a few times. Not being able to train (which is Howe's main strength) properly, is a big factor in how our league season has gone.

But if you’ve got European fixtures and want deep cup runs then you’re going to have less time on the training pitch. 
 

It’s up to the coaching staff to adapt surely? Else what’s the point in qualifying for European football ever again if it’s going to have such a detrimental impact on our league form. 

[Moose]

24 minutes ago, Geogaddi said:

No manager could get us to the next level whatever that is under the current FFP rules, if you want to challenge for titles which I presume is what you mean they you need the best players and you only get them if you pay the best wages which is something we aren't allowed to do. Our ceiling due to PSR is challenging the top 5/6 each season and having a decent cup run whilst maybe winning a trophy along the way.

 

This is where I'm at right now, I've said that I think Eddie has taken us as far as he can but when taking into consideration what we'd need to go beyond that, I think that's as good as anyone can expect.

 

Yes, this season has been a clusterfuck and there are other attainable managers out there who would likely have us higher up the table this season alone, but zooming out over the whole piece I think Eddie is about as good as we can get right now.

He was let down by the clubs hierarchy this summer which led to the disastrous window and injuries haven't helped of course but going forward he needs to find way to be more flexible and adapt to certain situations.

The squad is a stale mess and a lot of work needs to be done next summer. IMO he gets the summer and we'll see how we start next season before his seat starts heating up.

 

 

[DC Magpie]

To me, I think it comes down to two simple questions: (i) can Howe adapt his on-field methods and formations and (ii) can he learn to make positive in-game adjustments? He stubbornly plays a 4-3-3 and we press well for about ten minutes, we even sometimes take an early lead but then we invariably sit back and turn to shite. We've dropped 22 points after having a lead this season. Add half of those points back and we're fourth in the table. That's insane, and it doesn't happen unless you're getting outcoached in real time. 

 

I'm really agnostic as to whether he stays or goes and I recognize I'm not the tactical football expert many here are. But in my relatively short time as a Newcastle supporter, I haven't seen a lot that would instill confidence that Eddie is capable of adapting his formations, his methods nor his in-game strategies.

 

Also (and this is a whole different can of worms) I'm trying to get my head around our ownership. Is NUFC anything more than just a diversion or hobby to them? Many have noticed they mostly couldn't be bothered to show up for the Derby. My crystal ball says Howe is back next year if only because this ownership team will find that the easier path to take.

[Rich]

38 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

That Guardian article says Howe was jeered by us - sounds like it was directed specifically at him. I didn't see any jeering at Howe personally.

There was plenty, like, but everyone was getting it from most of the bew boys.

[Holmesy]

14 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Yep, he's tried absolutely loads of variations and usually has a tailor-made plan for the opposition.

Based around a single way of playing and a very rigid structure though.

The tailor-made plan for the opposition is usually based around how we get the ball forward, where we try to win it back, how we mark in an attacking sense, how high we sit and where we channel our attacking play. It pays very little attention to how they can hurt us and how we can stop it - I believe that bit sits with Tindall, who is looking worse at his job by the day.

It's variation but within a very specific theme.

[Zero]

38 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Not for me like. Almost all managers will want input as part of a transfer committee, plenty will want final say as ultimately it is them that will utilise the player.

 

Up until the summer, our incoming business was impeccable, so Howe's input obviously isn't detrimental.

 

He obviously has to take some accountability for last summer, but he was forced into de facto Sporting Director role, a position he should never have been in. That won't be the norm going forward and seems like a harsh stick to best him with, even if he's not completely blameless.

 

Thats why most club now hire “head coach” rather than “manager”.

 

 

[duo]

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

 

I do agree that we need some form of PIF presence at the club, it doesn't even have to be a full time employee.

Is that not meant to be Hopkinson?

 

 

Edited March 24 by duo

[Drewboy74]

11 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

But if you’ve got European fixtures and want deep cup runs then you’re going to have less time on the training pitch. 
 

It’s up to the coaching staff to adapt surely? Else what’s the point in qualifying for European football ever again if it’s going to have such a detrimental impact on our league form. 

Less time of course, but the players and Howe have said there's been virtually nothing. Key injuries and the form of the new signings havnt helped with the extra fixtures. Howe has had his hands tied and I think it's as simple as that. I think he could have given some of the bairns more minutes,but on the whole I don't know what else he could/can do.

[Holloway]

there seems to be a hell of a lot of our online fanbase have turned on him, and of course some of the comments are horrific. He gets next season from me, but the reservations are mounting.

[Benwell Lad]

I don't think Eddie Howe has taken us as far as he can. I think he has taken us a lot further, a lot faster, than anyone thought he could and other aspects of the club's development have not been able to keep up. It's quite literally exhausted the staff and available players in our 50 odd game, and counting, season.

The miracle he performed in keeping us up, and the season that followed, puts us a clear two years ahead of schedule.

Sunday's result and the emotion that surrounds it, painful as it was, needs to be detached from the context of what has been achieved by Howe since he arrived.

Nothing tells me that there is a more suitable person than him to take us to the next stage.

 

[Superior Acuña]

29 minutes ago, Rich said:

There was plenty, like, but everyone was getting it from most of the bew boys.

Ah probably missed cos i was in part of Leazes that seems to get lots of visitors 

[Smal]

The criticism that he doesn’t change formations shows a lack of understanding of football. There’s nothing rigid about his system either tbh, if anything it’s not structured enough and is too off the cuff in possession this season.

 

One thing I’m definitely not seeing as much this season is us abusing the space in between the opposition CB and FB. We used to constantly have the 8s (or the wingers if the 8s had pulled wide) making the run in between them to the byline to generate cut backs. It was a huge source of success for us but we don’t seem to get into those positions anywhere near as much. Not having a reliable striker probably doesn’t help here as the team has no confidence anyone will be there to convert it.

[TwoForJoy]

6 minutes ago, Benwell Lad said:

I don't think Eddie Howe has taken us as far as he can. I think he has taken us a lot further, a lot faster, than anyone thought he could and other aspects of the club's development have not been able to keep up. It's quite literally exhausted the staff and available players in our 50 odd game, and counting, season.

The miracle he performed in keeping us up, and the season that followed, puts us a clear two years ahead of schedule.

Sunday's result and the emotion that surrounds it, painful as it was, needs to be detached from the context of what has been achieved by Howe since he arrived.

Nothing tells me that there is a more suitable person than him to take us to the next stage.

 

Yeah, if this season has been his first full season it wouldn't have caused half as much uproar. Instead he jumped straight from relegation fodder to Cup Final and Champions League qualification and the bar was raised instantly on fans expectations.

[Drewboy74]

29 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

Based around a single way of playing and a very rigid structure though.

The tailor-made plan for the opposition is usually based around how we get the ball forward, where we try to win it back, how we mark in an attacking sense, how high we sit and where we channel our attacking play. It pays very little attention to how they can hurt us and how we can stop it - I believe that bit sits with Tindall, who is looking worse at his job by the day.

It's variation but within a very specific theme.

It pays very little attention to how they hurt us and how we can stop it - I believe that bit sits with Tindall, who is looking worse at his job by the day.

This is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

51 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

But if you’ve got European fixtures and want deep cup runs then you’re going to have less time on the training pitch. 
 

It’s up to the coaching staff to adapt surely? Else what’s the point in qualifying for European football ever again if it’s going to have such a detrimental impact on our league form. 

You also need a higher number of better players. 

[Chicken Dancer]

9 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

You also need a higher number of better players. 

Correct. We’ve known for a while beyond the first choice 11 the squad is relatively poor, which is why we probably should have spread the expenditure out last summer over more players to fill out the squad and provide some decent depth.

 

That being said there’s been times this season when I’ve looked at the bench and thought that’s more than decent. So fuck knows, but less time on the training pitch is a consequence of being good and you have to adapt. 

[The Prophet]

37 minutes ago, Zero said:

 

Thats why most club now hire “head coach” rather than “manager”.

 

 

 

They do, not I'm not really sure why it's relevant to the point.