Eddie Howe

[Lush Vlad]

24 minutes ago, Heron said:

Fair mate. Appreciate I was taking it to extremes but it was to emphasise a point really more than anything - that it's easy to pick out problems but not so easy to pick out solutions (not aimed at you that by the way). Change has to be to invoke continuous improvement from a business point of view. For me - it kinda feels like we have the same chef who's cooked multiple good meals and even got a Michelin star but with different ingredients and unripe apples we're expecting him to make the same apple crumble and simply saying "change the chef" when it is most likely what he can spend on ingredients, the kitchen he operates in and the time he's had to find an alternative that are all contributing to his just about palatable dessert

 

Can tell it's dinner like...

 

 

 

 

Well I want apple crumble now  

[TRon]

4 hours ago, Holmesy said:

FWIW, and i've said this 100 times on here, I don't want Eddie to leave, I want him to evolve. The very best managers do, and the concern is that Eddie isn't showing any overt signs of evolution, whether it's because of "mitigating circumstances" or being wedded to his ideas. And by evolution, I don't mean small tactical changes. I mean keeping & protecting the ball, learning to be tighter and less naive in the final 20 minutes of games, conserving energy, better in-game management - being able to counter our opposition's changes, controlling games rather than the whole thing feeling chaotic etc. 

That is and has been my stance throughout. 

 

He at least deserves the summer and next season (or some of it) to show that he's developing, not doing more of the same with different players because we know it isn't sustainable - that has been proven twice. 

Maybe the summer disrupted his ability to embed new ideas, maybe too many games and not enough training time have stopped him adopting a new playing style and developing our new signings, maybe he doesn't want to move away from what he knows and trusts. The only way we're going to know is to let him show us. 

He's a world class human being and an unbelievable ambassador for the football club, and I think we all genuinely hope he can kick on to the next level but if not, I don't believe there should be any room for sentiment - you've taken us on an incredible journey, thank you for everything but we need to bring in someone whose ideas better suit the next phase of our growth. 
 

 

 

I think the club hierarchy would probably like Howe to stay in charge and go again next season, simply because good managers don't grow on trees, and Howe is a good manager. 

 

But there will be caveats. Howe will have to accept that he had a good crack at organising his own transfer window last summer, and while you could argue that he was having to do too much without a DOF, at the same time it gave him a free hand to bring in his preferred players. 

 

So this summer I would expect the DOF to be in charge of player recruitment and Howe will work with the players he's given. Obviously he'll have input, but I don't think it will be as final as previously. Whether Howe is prepared to work like that is a different matter. 

[Andy]

8 hours ago, bobbydazzla said:

Little bit or roleplay for the lads n lasses.

 

You’re the CEO, you're doing an interview about end of year results. When asked by a journo about Eddie’s future, which answer do you go with ?

 

A) This season has been mixed but Eddie's our man, no risk to his job: People shit their pants, Eddie's had the dreaded pre-sacking backing.

B) This season has been mixed, we’ll save any discussion about Eddie’s job until it’s over: People shit their pants, Eddie’s getting sacked.

C) This season has been mixed, the buck stops with the manager and we feel he could have done better: People shit their pants, Eddie’s getting sacked.

D) This season has been mixed, but I’m not commenting on Eddie’s future: People shit their pants, Eddie’s getting sacked.

 

 

To be honest, regardless of what their actual stance is, the obvious answer is "we've reached a league cup semi final and the club has hit new heights in the Champions League in a transitional season, questions about Eddie's future are ridiculous". 

 

It's not like you are locked in to that statement. You could say that then still sack him in June, no one would bat an eyelid as that's just standard football craic. 

 

By entertaining the question he's quite deliberately created a wave of discussion. People like this don't pick their words accidentally. To me, he's chosen these words because they are indeed uncertain about Eddie's future. 

[astraguy]

11 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

To be honest, regardless of what their actual stance is, the obvious answer is "we've reached a league cup semi final and the club has hit new heights in the Champions League in a transitional season, questions about Eddie's future are ridiculous". 

 

It's not like you are locked in to that statement. You could say that then still sack him in June, no one would bat an eyelid as that's just standard football craic. 

 

By entertaining the question he's quite deliberately created a wave of discussion. People like this don't pick their words accidentally. To me, he's chosen these words because they are indeed uncertain about Eddie's future. 

Amen , I honestly don't get the noise we've been getting lately and that statement added more fuel to the fire, No manager would of got us to what we've currently done with that squad its embrassing have some have from the ashley ere and the 50 years before to demanding a top 7 finish every year and do well in every other cup.

We as a fan base need to back Eddie and the squad in theses last 7 games regardless, We have a core that love this Football club and we've been begging for it for decades, Back it or lose it before we come another club going in and out of managers who can't spend 

[Holmesy]

3 hours ago, astraguy said:

Amen , I honestly don't get the noise we've been getting lately and that statement added more fuel to the fire, No manager would of got us to what we've currently done with that squad its embrassing have some have from the ashley ere and the 50 years before to demanding a top 7 finish every year and do well in every other cup.

We as a fan base need to back Eddie and the squad in theses last 7 games regardless, We have a core that love this Football club and we've been begging for it for decades, Back it or lose it before we come another club going in and out of managers who can't spend 

Out of interest, where does this come from? I've seen it mentioned a few times on here - why do we automatically become a club that chops and changes its manager if Eddie was to leave for whatever reason? Could be that he decides to leave by the way.

 

 

Edited April 1 by Holmesy

[astraguy]

9 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

Out of interest, where does this come from? I've seen it mentioned a few times on here - why do we automatically become a club that chops and changes it's manager if Eddie was to leave for whatever reason? Could be that he decides to leave by the way.

 

 

 

You give me a manager that could make  joelinton , Hall , Tino ,Miley, Isak ) murphy to name a few and turn them in to stars and find that raw talent? but people want a cheque book manager who'll just buy and buy until it works? Btw we can't and i never ever ever ever want us to

[Holmesy]

35 minutes ago, astraguy said:

You give me a manager that could make  joelinton , Hall , Tino ,Miley, Isak ) murphy to name a few and turn them in to stars and find that raw talent? but people want a cheque book manager who'll just buy and buy until it works? Btw we can't and i never ever ever ever want us to

I get that, but if Eddie was to walk for example, we automatically become a team that chops & changes its manager doesn't seem to stack up. Granted, we're not particularly well run so it might happen but it's not a given.

 

 

Edited April 1 by Holmesy

[astraguy]

52 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

I get that, but if Eddie was to walk for example, we automatically become a team that chops & changes it's manager doesn't seem to stack up. Granted, we're not particularly well run so it might happen but it's not a given.

its not a given but its more likely then not, We as a Club and a city need to come together as one and back them till the end of the season.


eddies mags

 

 

Edited April 1 by astraguy

[bobbydazzla]

2 hours ago, Andy said:

 

To be honest, regardless of what their actual stance is, the obvious answer is "we've reached a league cup semi final and the club has hit new heights in the Champions League in a transitional season, questions about Eddie's future are ridiculous". 

 

It's not like you are locked in to that statement. You could say that then still sack him in June, no one would bat an eyelid as that's just standard football craic. 

 

By entertaining the question he's quite deliberately created a wave of discussion. People like this don't pick their words accidentally. To me, he's chosen these words because they are indeed uncertain about Eddie's future. 

You reckon if they then give him the bullet in the summer a large portion of our fans wouldn’t be screaming from the rooftops that “the Board doesn’t know what it doing, 6 weeks ago they said any speculation about Eddie’s future was ridiculous and now they’ve gone and sacked him!”

 

And the media narrative is “NUFC don’t know what they’re doing, fans enraged about unexpected Howe sacking after CEO said 6 weeks ago that speculation about Howe’s future was ridiculous” click here for exclusive story.

 

Wishful thinking to suggest no one bats an eyelid about that chain of events.

 

 

Edited April 1 by bobbydazzla

[Andy]

4 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

You reckon if they then give him the bullet in the summer a large portion of our fans wouldn’t be screaming from the rooftops that “the Board doesn’t know what it doing, 6 weeks ago they said any speculation about Eddie’s future was ridiculous and now they’ve gone and sacked him!”

 

And the media narrative is “NUFC don’t know what they’re doing, fans enraged about unexpected Howe sacking after CEO said 6 weeks ago that speculation about Howe’s future was ridiculous” click here for exclusive story.

 

Wishful thinking to suggest no one bats an eyelid about that chain of events.

 

 

 

 

It is by far a better option than what he actually said. 

[The Prophet]

Do the board care that much about the insane diatribe our social media following our spewing?

[bobbydazzla]

13 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

It is by far a better option than what he actually said. 

For you maybe. But ultimately it depends on each persons viewpoint, I prefer he said what he said rather than claimed that any discussion about the manager was ridiculous. Because in my opinion it’s not ridiculous.  

 

So for you it’s the better option, for me it’s not. 
 

And that’s the entire point I was making. Whatever he says, significant numbers of people will think it’s good, bad or neutral depending on their viewpoint. 

 

 

Edited April 1 by bobbydazzla

[Andy]

2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

For you maybe. But ultimately it depends on each persons viewpoint, I prefer he said what he said rather than claimed that any discussion about the manager was ridiculous. Because in my opinion it’s not ridiculous.  

 

So for you it’s the better option, for me it’s not. 
 

And that’s the entire point I was making. Whatever he says, significant numbers of people will think it’s good, bad or neutral depending on their viewpoint. 

 

 

Fair enough. I only see it as being needlessly disruptive personally, creating noise where there didn't need to be any.

 

The shite about the Sunderland match was entirely pandering to fans to stroke his own ego, there is nothing beneficial about those comments at all. 

[Decky]

The main reason I want to stick with Howe is I don't trust those above him to replace him properly. It'll probably take them half the transfer window and about five attempts before they land someone. Then we'll have to hear that Canadian fella talk pure shite about how he's a perfect fit for Newcastle. 

 

 

Edited April 1 by Decky

[bobbydazzla]

5 minutes ago, Decky said:

The main reason I want to stick with Howe is I don't trust those above him to replace him properly. It'll probably take them half the transfer window and about five attempts before they land someone. Then we'll have to hear that American fella talk pure shite about how he's a perfect fit for Newcastle. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 1 by bobbydazzla

[Decky]

Sorry, Canadian.

[Ben]

Are we considering if Howe WANTS to stay beyond the end of the season ? 

 

Like I said last night Iraola seems to be waiting in the wings, I love a good conspiracy so I look for shit like this, hopefully I'm wrong and Howe stays but in my eyes things are lining up.

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, Ben said:

Are we considering if Howe WANTS to stay beyond the end of the season ? 

 

Like I said last night Iraola seems to be waiting in the wings, I love a good conspiracy so I look for shit like this, hopefully I'm wrong and Howe stays but in my eyes things are lining up.

How does he seem to be waiting in the wings ?

[SUPERTOON]

19 minutes ago, Decky said:

The main reason I want to stick with Howe is I don't trust those above him to replace him properly. It'll probably take them half the transfer window and about five attempts before they land someone. Then we'll have to hear that Canadian fella talk pure shite about how he's a perfect fit for Newcastle. 

 

 

 

I have no faith in them replacing him either, not to mention the amount of ins and outs we may be looking at with the players.

[Ben]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

How does he seem to be waiting in the wings ?

 

Out of contract in the summer and holding off on accepting the Bilbao job (I'm obviously taking liberties here putting 2 + 2 together.)

[Myleftboot]

1 hour ago, Decky said:

The main reason I want to stick with Howe is I don't trust those above him to replace him properly. It'll probably take them half the transfer window and about five attempts before they land someone. Then we'll have to hear that Canadian fella talk pure shite about how he's a perfect fit for Newcastle. 

 

 

 

I’m sure the Canadian fellas job will be on the line as well if we don’t push on.

[Jaqen]

Reminder for the people wanting him sacked this is the level he's got us at since he came in. Incredbile what's he's achieved really, especially when the two champions league seasons came with massive difficulties.  

 

[1881]

If Eddie Howe is sacked in the summer or resigns due to all the negativity and/or lack of support it will (imho) be one of the worst days in the history of the club. And as a fanbase we will rightly be viewed as one of the most ungrateful and deluded.

 

[r0cafella]

13 minutes ago, 1881 said:

If Eddie Howe is sacked in the summer or resigns due to all the negativity and/or lack of support it will (imho) be one of the worst days in the history of the club. And as a fanbase we will rightly be viewed as one of the most ungrateful and deluded.

 

Understand the sentiment but I couldn't disagree more. The financials have shown the club is currently unsustainable and a change of strategy is needed. If you accept this it's difficult to come to your conclusion when you put the sentiment aside. 

[Earp]

8 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Understand the sentiment but I couldn't disagree more. The financials have shown the club is currently unsustainable and a change of strategy is needed. If you accept this it's difficult to come to your conclusion when you put the sentiment aside. 

So what would comprise the 'change of strategy'?