Eddie Howe

[St1pe]

I do wish as a fan base we could just take this shit season on the chin and not collectively piss the bed over it. For me Howe deserves more time and another window (hopefully the board improve on what was signed last season).

 

Some of the shit that’s been said about Howe has been pathetic. We won a cup and qualified for the Champions League last year and one mid-table season has season has sent some of you lot west. It’s the same sorts of people of made up mad stuff about Gordon and Tonali. Slating them claiming they wanted to be away but don’t seem capable of loyalty in return to someone who’s deserved it. 
 

For the record this season has been shit, the football has been miserable and we’ve suffered constant morale crushing results at key times. Rarely have we put teams away or chained good feeling. It’s been utterly deflating and Howe takes a good chunk of the blame too. 
 

Give the bloke a chance to redeem it though because he’s surely deserves a shot. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, St1pe said:

I do wish as a fan base we could just take this shit season on the chin and not collectively piss the bed over it. For me Howe deserves more time and another window (hopefully the board improve on what was signed last season).

 

Some of the shit that’s been said about Howe has been pathetic. We won a cup and qualified for the Champions League last year and one mid-table season has season has sent some of you lot west. It’s the same sorts of people of made up mad stuff about Gordon and Tonali. Slating them claiming they wanted to be away but don’t seem capable of loyalty in return to someone who’s deserved it. 
 

For the record this season has been shit, the football has been miserable and we’ve suffered constant morale crushing results at key times. Rarely have we put teams away or chained good feeling. It’s been utterly deflating and Howe takes a good chunk of the blame too. 
 

Give the bloke a chance to redeem it though because he’s surely deserves a shot. 

We largely have haven't we? I think 14th is unacceptable and beyond shit though, plus the absolute state of what I've been watching compounds it. 

 

Ultimately for me, we need green shoots to keep him at this point, if he turns in the same garbage for the rest of the seasons I'd be saying thank you for everything but we need to move on. 

 

Everyone has their own line and football waits for nobody. 

[TheInfiniteOdyssey]

10 hours ago, Pilko said:

The pace at which substitutes appear on the touchline after we concede a goal is hilarious. It's like he preps them and says "soon as they score you can get straight on".

 

Genuinely think we'll look back at that Wissa and Elanga sub as his Capello & Heskey 4-1 down to Germany moment. Ridiculous.

I physically cringed when I saw that. Just a terrible look.

[PauloGeordio]

1 minute ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

I physically cringed when I saw that. Just a terrible look.

I just burst out laughing like WT actual F, followed by "he's gone, he's done" 

 

 

Edited April 13 by PauloGeordio

[SUPERTOON]

6 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

We largely have haven't we? I think 14th is unacceptable and beyond shit though, plus the absolute state of what I've been watching compounds it. 

 

Ultimately for me, we need green shoots to keep him at this point, if he turns in the same garbage for the rest of the seasons I'd be saying thank you for everything but we need to move on. 

 

Everyone has their own line and football waits for nobody. 

It will get worse before the season ends as well. As it stands, i can't see us winning another game, that's how bad we look. Bournemouth will run riot on Saturday imo. 

[St1pe]

5 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

We largely have haven't we? I think 14th is unacceptable and beyond shit though, plus the absolute state of what I've been watching compounds it. 

 

Ultimately for me, we need green shoots to keep him at this point, if he turns in the same garbage for the rest of the seasons I'd be saying thank you for everything but we need to move on. 

 

Everyone has their own line and football waits for nobody. 

Arguably not as the first really bad run he’s had people are wanting him sacked. 
 

For me, what he’s achieved, he deserves the summer and a period of reflection to sort it. 
 

If we’re turning up the same issues last year then there isn’t a person that could deny it’s time .

[Kimbo]

I still lean towards keeping and overhauling the squad, but honestly if we start off next season with no improvement then he’s toast. That’s not a very good position for a manager to be in, so I can see why some would want to make the call before the transfer window. Especially if we just tank the rest of the season.

[Gallowgate Toon]

I'm quite surprised at how angry I feel about everything. It feels entitled but seeing the same things week in/week out really does fucking grate 

 

Ultimately, it's largely down to poor recruitment balance. Obviously, we have some big constraints with PSR etc. but I just think the split of our recruitment from the first couple of years to the last couple is so noticeable. We've bought too many nice lads (some of which are decent players) when we needed more winners/killers. That team/squad yesterday was very, very, very soft.

 

Everything else is marginal gains to me, even tactics/systems. If the balance of talent & mentality isn't there, none of it matters much.

 

Down to Bruno's return to salvage our season imo.

[r0cafella]

5 minutes ago, St1pe said:

Arguably not as the first really bad run he’s had people are wanting him sacked. 
 

For me, what he’s achieved, he deserves the summer and a period of reflection to sort it. 
 

If we’re turning up the same issues last year then there isn’t a person that could deny it’s time .

I see that, I would also lean that way but what I'm seeing every game makes me double take. He's a legend and should leave on good terms. 

 

I think it's quite obvious by the CEOs comments we are shifting strategically as well. We can't afford the premier league premium and we will have to be more sustainable, I'm not sure Eddie is up for that honestly. 

 

@Kimbokeeping him on to sack him early next season should be avoided at all cost. If they have doubts about him he's got to to at the end of the season  

[Moose]

[GavMcEl]

29 minutes ago, Pablo said:

Genuinely, I’m staggered by some takes I’ve read in recent weeks but more so in the last day. I’ll be honest, I’m fed up of this season and of Eddie’s continuing plan A. It’s a total disaster and we have taken a big step backwards in footballing terms. But, I’m not really surprised about what’s happening on the pitch. I remember commenting last season that we were a mid table team with an elite striker. There has been little between us and the Brightons and Bournmouths of the league for 2 seasons now, and this season it’s levelled out a bit. We have a small underperformance this year, compared to the heights of the past few seasons overperformance.

 

Our squad is stale, and a number of our players seem to have downed tools. I think the Isak sale and the way we couldn’t attract our top targets last season has resulted in the players realising we aren’t a Chelsea or Man City project. I strongly suspect a number of players have had their heads turned and are looking for an escape route in the summer. Looking at the recent performances of a couple of our star players, Gordon and Tino in particular aren’t at the races, making mistakes not putting in 100%. An eye on the World Cup and a summer move. With their levels dropping it affects other players. I wouldn’t be surprised if the dressing room is somewhat split. We might say players don’t care, but they do. It’s their life, reputation, finances and career.

 

FFP, SCR whatever you want to call it has done its job. We haven’t had a normal or decent transfer window since Dan Ashworth left. That’s damning on everyone at the club. From Junior Scout to owner. We need 2 players in every transfer window to keep it fresh and provide growth. The past summer business was an unmitigated disaster, and it’s tough to come back from it, but we can. Ramsey will come good, Elanga has a chance still. I’m worried about the striker situation though and that’s going to need a bit of luck. I was worried with every signing we made, as I have wanted more technical players through the team, but we have what we have.

 

the squad building has been horrible, we basically need a new 11 as we need to cover every position as players who should have been traded 2 or 3 years ago remain on our books with little value. The director of football position has caused this, and I admit Eddie is probably somewhat at fault. We needed to trade Joelinton 2 or 3 summers ago, same with Joe Willock, Emile Kraft and others. This summer is an opportunity to have a lot of turnover and get some money for players who don’t have a long term future at the club. But this means we face at least one if not 2 more seasons of transition. The bed setters and the social media darlings need to accept we may stand still before we move forwards again.

 

it’s going to hurt, but Sunderland are likely going to finish above us this season. It’s a blip, form is temporary but class is permanent. Personally I don’t care, I look at the bigger picture and where we are still heading, albeit much more slowly than I hoped. Spurs getting relegated could be massive for us, as having 5 teams above us in the pecking order rather than 6 is a massive boost. The Chelsea situation is dire and they can be reigned in with good club management. The commercial income situation continues to improve.

 

for me it’s of paramount importance that we remain a stable club. Swapping managers may provide short term impetus, but long term it’s unlikely we can attract a better manager than Eddie. The clubs stated goal is now for 2030 so I’m willing to give it a bit longer, get behind them all, and I am confident that we will continue a slow but steady trajectory upwards.

 

I’m not a happy clapper, never have been, but unless we can attract Pep or Emery in the summer I’m not prepared to give up what we’ve got. Eddie is a club legend and deserves my support for the 26/27 season.

This is the main thing for me, I feel you can add a couple of more names to that list, like alonso and poch... but I fear getting  rid of howe to bring in someone like a iraola or glasner could be a massive gamble that could set the club even further back

[TRon]

23 minutes ago, St1pe said:

I do wish as a fan base we could just take this shit season on the chin and not collectively piss the bed over it. For me Howe deserves more time and another window (hopefully the board improve on what was signed last season).

 

Some of the shit that’s been said about Howe has been pathetic. We won a cup and qualified for the Champions League last year and one mid-table season has season has sent some of you lot west. It’s the same sorts of people of made up mad stuff about Gordon and Tonali. Slating them claiming they wanted to be away but don’t seem capable of loyalty in return to someone who’s deserved it. 
 

For the record this season has been shit, the football has been miserable and we’ve suffered constant morale crushing results at key times. Rarely have we put teams away or chained good feeling. It’s been utterly deflating and Howe takes a good chunk of the blame too. 
 

Give the bloke a chance to redeem it though because he’s surely deserves a shot. 

 

 

We might still go that way, but I think Howe will be having less say on recruitment. That doesn't mean no say...just less. 

[TRon]

1 minute ago, GavMcEl said:

This is the main thing for me, I feel you can add a couple of more names to that list, like alonso and poch... but I fear getting  rid of howe to bring in someone like a iraola or glasner could be a massive gamble that could set the club even further back

 

Both Iraola and Glasner have done remarkably well this season considering they lost their best players mind. 

[Yorkie]

Things are undeniably a bit crap but the crazy thing is, we're only a 'Wissa not being shit' away from having an entirely different outlook imo. Yeah we're 14th but the position isn't particularly relevant beyond optics - what's more important is that we're five points away from European qualification. Having a competent number 9 has us there imo and then we're not discussing a broken manager, a broken squad and a broken club. It's literally a couple of results.

 

Feel like I need to caveat everything by saying this doesn't absolve Howe of the various errors he's made across the season. The point I'm making is that not a lot has to be different for us all to be holding a pretty different view. 

 

Wissa's under-performance, alone, has absolutely murdered us.

[Kid Icarus]

The maddest thing I'm seeing at the moment is the same people saying we should bin Howe saying that they also don't trust the board to hire a replacement.

 

It's not often I'm lost for words.

[Ben]

27 minutes ago, St1pe said:

I do wish as a fan base we could just take this shit season on the chin and not collectively piss the bed over it. For me Howe deserves more time and another window (hopefully the board improve on what was signed last season).

 

Some of the shit that’s been said about Howe has been pathetic. We won a cup and qualified for the Champions League last year and one mid-table season has season has sent some of you lot west. It’s the same sorts of people of made up mad stuff about Gordon and Tonali. Slating them claiming they wanted to be away but don’t seem capable of loyalty in return to someone who’s deserved it. 
 

For the record this season has been shit, the football has been miserable and we’ve suffered constant morale crushing results at key times. Rarely have we put teams away or chained good feeling. It’s been utterly deflating and Howe takes a good chunk of the blame too. 
 

Give the bloke a chance to redeem it though because he’s surely deserves a shot. 

 

Looks like hes got 6 games 

[r0cafella]

Just now, Yorkie said:

Things are undeniably a bit crap but the crazy thing is, we're only a 'Wissa not being shit' away from having an entirely different outlook imo. Yeah we're 14th but the position isn't particularly relevant beyond optics - what's more important is that we're five points away from European qualification. Having a competent number 9 has us there imo and then we're not discussing a broken manager, a broken squad and a broken club. It's literally a couple of results.

 

Feel like I need to caveat everything by saying this doesn't absolve Howe of the various errors he's made across the season. The point I'm making is that not a lot has to be different for us all to be holding a pretty different view. 

 

Wissa's under-performance, alone, has absolutely murdered us.

Is it though Yorkie? Are we just a striker away from being fixed? (Simplifying your point obvs) I just don't see it personally. The football has been poor regardless of who's played up front. 

 

The system was starting to show it's cracks when the rat was still wearing black and white. 

 

This is without going into who bought Wissa and the fact him being absolutely shit shouldn't surprising given he went on strike to get his move. Nobody believed the desperate to sign cor Nufc because of Cisse patter did they?  

[Menace]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

The maddest thing I'm seeing at the moment is the same people saying we should bin Howe saying that they also don't trust the board to hire a replacement.

 

It's not often I'm lost for words.

 

Again - you have taken this completely out of context.

 

I feel like the Howe chapter is approaching an end, however I have no idea on how good Hopkinson/Ross are at their given role considering Ross in particular seems a mixed bag in terms of his career - and not much is known about Hopkinson and his actual footballing knowledge -  so this is why I am wary on their skillset.

 

It was Staveley that was in charge of our managerial drive last time, just because I'm wary of the higher ups doesn't mean I don't want a change within the club.

[Yorkie]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

Is it though Yorkie? Are we just a striker away from being fixed? (Simplifying your point obvs) I just don't see it personally. The football has been poor regardless of who's played up front. 

 

The system was starting to show it's cracks when the rat was still wearing black and white. 

 

This is without going into who bought Wissa and the fact him being absolutely shit shouldn't surprising given he went on strike to get his move. Nobody believed the desperate to sign cor Nufc because of Cisse patter did they?  

 

Yeah, I really believe so; I have done all season. I expect there'll probably be a post from me in like October or something to the effect of: if Wissa comes in and hits the ground running, we'll be sound; if he doesn't, we'll be fucked.

 

(That's not meant as an 'I told you so;' just a demonstration of my belief in this specific point.)

 

If we're not underperforming our xG so badly in the first half of the season - thereby leading to late collapses and setting the psychological tone for the whole season - then it's a different picture. It's not even a lot. Literally just a few goals and the whole season looks different. 

 

Regarding your last paragraph - of course, and I did say that the matter doesn't absolve Howe. Wissa was a choice and it turned out to be a bad one. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, Yorkie said:

 

Yeah, I really believe so; I have done all season. I expect there'll probably be a post from me in like October or something to the effect of: if Wissa comes in and hits the ground running, we'll be sound; if he doesn't, we'll be fucked.

 

(That's not meant as an 'I told you so;' just a demonstration of my belief in this specific point.)

 

If we're not underperforming our xG so badly in the first half of the season - thereby leading to late collapses and setting the psychological tone for the whole season - then it's a different picture. It's not even a lot. Literally just a few goals and the whole season looks different. 

 

Regarding your last paragraph - of course, and I did say that the matter doesn't absolve Howe. Wissa was a choice and it turned out to be a bad one. 

Fair enough I always appreciate you sincere posts

 

I wish I agreed, Eddie's a legend and always will be in my books. It absolutely sucks to have zero faith that be will be able to turn it around. I wish my eyes were sending a different signal to my brain but I watch us and I'm bored to tears the same old set up week after week working or not we are going to try it again. 

 

I'm also not sure how a new striker fixes our flat midfield, our slow centre halves or or totally inability to create chances. 

 

We are absolutely flying towards a crossroad though and someone (probably the Saudi's) will have to decide weather to stick of twist. 

[Kid Icarus]

3 minutes ago, Menace said:

 

Again - you have taken this completely out of context.

 

I feel like the Howe chapter is approaching an end, however I have no idea on how good Hopkinson/Ross are at their given role considering Ross in particular seems a mixed bag in terms of his career - and not much is known about Hopkinson and his actual footballing knowledge -  so this is why I am wary on their skillset.

 

It was Staveley that was in charge of our managerial drive last time, just because I'm wary of the higher ups doesn't mean I don't want a change within the club.

 

I wasn't talking about you specifically, I haven't even seen your posts in order to take them out of context.

 

That said, when the bar for better is as high as Howe has set it, it does strike me as odd that people think it's a risk worth taking when you also have limited faith in the people trying to hire better than what we already have.

[r0cafella]

To add on sorry for the double post. 

 

If we do move on we better have a plan like, and I mean a holistic one. Let's get to the drawing board and get some sort of philosophy how do we want to play as club? What are our values? 

[samptime29]

45 minutes ago, St1pe said:

I do wish as a fan base we could just take this shit season on the chin and not collectively piss the bed over it. For me Howe deserves more time and another window (hopefully the board improve on what was signed last season).

 

Some of the shit that’s been said about Howe has been pathetic. We won a cup and qualified for the Champions League last year and one mid-table season has season has sent some of you lot west. It’s the same sorts of people of made up mad stuff about Gordon and Tonali. Slating them claiming they wanted to be away but don’t seem capable of loyalty in return to someone who’s deserved it. 
 

For the record this season has been shit, the football has been miserable and we’ve suffered constant morale crushing results at key times. Rarely have we put teams away or chained good feeling. It’s been utterly deflating and Howe takes a good chunk of the blame too. 
 

Give the bloke a chance to redeem it though because he’s surely deserves a shot. 

 

Been a real eye opener this. Very disappointed. Always thought we had a fantastic loyal fanbase. Some of the disrespectful shit that's been said about Howe has been a disgrace.

[TRon]

15 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Is it though Yorkie? Are we just a striker away from being fixed? (Simplifying your point obvs) I just don't see it personally. The football has been poor regardless of who's played up front. 

 

The system was starting to show it's cracks when the rat was still wearing black and white. 

 

This is without going into who bought Wissa and the fact him being absolutely shit shouldn't surprising given he went on strike to get his move. Nobody believed the desperate to sign cor Nufc because of Cisse patter did they?  

 

 

Take yesterday for example. Howe took a risk and played Osula up front, and it paid off. He had a decent game and scored. But the football was still just as bad as it's been all season. 

 

We just look helter skelter at the moment, we never really look in control in games unless we are playing a really poor side. Like Maresca said last season, it's like playing ping pong and hoping we come out on top. 

[Yorkie]

6 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Fair enough I always appreciate you sincere posts

 

I wish I agreed, Eddie's a legend and always will be in my books. It absolutely sucks to have zero faith that be will be able to turn it around. I wish my eyes were sending a different signal to my brain but I watch us and I'm bored to tears the same old set up week after week working or not we are going to try it again. 

 

I'm also not sure how a new striker fixes our flat midfield, our slow centre halves or or totally inability to create chances. 

 

We are absolutely flying towards a crossroad though and someone (probably the Saudi's) will have to decide weather to stick of twist. 

 

I think the current failings are the result of a domino effect, basically. If the first stages of the season go better; hanging on against Liverpool, hanging on against arsenal, hanging on against Spurs, pinching a win at Villa Park or Leeds... doesn't even have to be all of them, just two or three, and we're playing with a lot more confidence and having a better season. We missed Wissa tremendously in the first knockings of the season.