Eddie Howe

[Fenham Mag]

So potentially Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U, Atletico and Real Madrid all looking for a new manager this summer. 

 

Just feels like the wrong time to be looking for a new manager if we are looking for an 'elite' one.

[TRon]

31 minutes ago, Stal said:

I have always been a massive advocate of Eddie Howe and still want him to stay, but I want him to learn. I know he's capable of it, he talked about how he improved his game before he came to us, I just wish he would show it. I was all for defending him based on the point that he doesn't have the time on the training pitch. He always gets the best out of players when he gets to mold them into his system. I also get that we were gazumped time and time again by the sky six over signings so we were way down the list and forced to pick up 4th choicers at premium prices. But it's not just that aspect that he should be judged on.

 

I was watching some of our Youtube channels last night to get a wider view of why the split on Howe is there. Sadly, the Toon Review is now basically the main one just echoing the views of his darling chest scat aficionado mate and, whilst I enjoy Billy, with no balanced view from the Statto one it's just a chore to watch. That Adam bloke is a joke so skipped him, but watched the Geordie Journos and then a bloke called The Noise who has always been super balanced (he explained why Woltermade was the logical choice to play midfield when we had a shortage of players there for example). He pretty much pointed out the stuff that was obviously there but for some reason (maybe my Eddie fanboying) I hadn't really appreciated or acknowledged and that's his in game management. He called out use of the "Eddie Time" subs, the lack of a change of plan, the unwillingness to change, the putting on subs with less than 5 minutes to effect a game, subbing off players who could be on a ban if they get booked and a few other things. I just don't get why he is refusing to learn or try new things.

 

I really want him to stay but the amount of disappointing results and our league position, combined with my acknowledging the other issues, is making it very hard to keep backing him. He has worked wonders for us and I would love him to be our alex ferguson but he needs to start learning and take risks in doing things differently. This season has been a write off in terms of 4th choice signings, poor league position, damn unlucky cup draws, agents stirring up shit, no training time and bad luck in general and I think this has had a knock on effect on everyone. We just haven't been able to catch a break.

 

I want him here next season, and I think he deserves it, but he has a lot to work on in himself as well as the team.

 

 

Was only watching TTR while Alex (Statto) was on there, haven't seen him in a while so can't be arsed to listen to Paul. The fella from the Noise was good, although I've only ever watched one video. 

[Robster]

1 hour ago, TRon said:

 

Fans are always going o judge on what's going on now, achievements from previous seasons don't count for much if the current one is going tits up. 

 

The board will need to take a more holistic view. They should have some idea whether there are mitigating circumstances for a poor season and if Howe can implement their vision ongoing. 

 

FWIW I don't think we will be making big signings this summer unless we sell big players. We'll be recruiting future stars, and that might not sit well with Howe anyway. 

Speak for yourself.

I'm choosing to take into account everything that Eddie Howe has done for this football club.

It's one season.

[soyt]

Why I have big reservations about his ability to turn this around is that it seems to be a carbon copy of how things ended at Bournemouth.
There was a Bournemouth fan podcast (must have been here also) from the week they got relegated, and the things they brought up seem really familiar.
These points were taken from a Reddit thread about that podcast:

 

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“The players we came up with were overachieving stalwarts and embodied Eddie’s hardworking ethic. But as the seasons went on, those players became less effective, and the players Eddie has brought in haven’t had the same work ethic and don’t look like Eddie Howe players.”
“Over the past 18 months, the new players that Eddie has brought in don’t fit us tactically, and Eddie seems reluctant to change his tactics to suit the new players.”
“We’ve been tactically stale for the past 18 months—no new ideas or attempts to try anything different, just rinse and repeat.”
“He’s persisting with too many out-of-form players, playing key players out of position, and can’t keep a settled side (bringing in players who don’t deserve to start and dropping players who do).”

 

They also seem to have lost over 20 points from leading positions, and for weeks the manager seemed broken and had lost all his energy.

 

It feels like maybe this is him, that this is how things end with him? Rightly or wrongly, his mentality seems to be to do the same things but better, rather than come up with something completely new. Inevitably, that leads to the situation he now has at Newcastle United - the same problems game after game. The players do not seem to have 100% trust in what they are doing, and Howe’s methods of motivating them are not working anymore.
When you see a lifelong fan like Jacob Murphy not busting a gut to defend—when work rate is basically the only thing he offers these days—then you are in huge trouble.

I would love him to get through this, but at the moment i just cannot see it. The club let him down with transfers for a few seasons, but the manager is usually the one who has to take responsibility when you’re at the wrong end of the table.
 

 

 

Edited April 14 by soyt

[HawK]

18 minutes ago, Fenham Mag said:

So potentially Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U, Atletico and Real Madrid all looking for a new manager this summer. 

 

Just feels like the wrong time to be looking for a new manager if we are looking for an 'elite' one.

 

Simeone going is he?

[dcmk]

3 minutes ago, soyt said:

Why I have big reservations about his ability to turn this around is that it seems to be a carbon copy of how things ended at Bournemouth.
There was a Bournemouth fan podcast (must have been here also) from the week they got relegated, and the things they brought up seem really familiar.
These points were taken from a Reddit thread about that podcast:

 

 

They also seem to have lost over 20 points from leading positions, and for weeks the manager seemed broken and had lost all his energy.

 

It feels like maybe this is him, that this is how things end with him? Rightly or wrongly, his mentality seems to be to do the same things but better, rather than come up with something completely new. Inevitably, that leads to the situation he now has at Newcastle United - the same problems game after game. The players do not seem to have 100% trust in what they are doing, and Howe’s methods of motivating them are not working anymore.
When you see a lifelong fan like Jacob Murphy not busting a gut to defend—when work rate is basically the only thing he offers these days—then you are in huge trouble.

I would love him to get through this, but at the moment i just cannot see it. The club let him down with transfers for a few seasons, but the manager is usually the one who has to take responsibility when you’re at the wrong end of the table.
 

 

 

 

When the team becomes stale no manager can be exempt from the effects of it. It's how they then react.

 

Pep last year, Klopp had seasons with the team in a slump, etc etc.

 

Needs the summer to fix what's gone wrong, but a lot stems from the lack of DoF in the summer.

 

 

[TRon]

10 minutes ago, Robster said:

Speak for yourself.

I'm choosing to take into account everything that Eddie Howe has done for this football club.

It's one season.

 

It's also about whether you have belief in the direction and whether he can fix it. That's why I specifically said the board will need to take a holistic view.

 

And yeah, obviously I'm only speaking for myself, I accept not everyone is going to share the same view. 

[Robster]

17 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

It's also about whether you have belief in the direction and whether he can fix it. That's why I specifically said the board will need to take a holistic view.

 

And yeah, obviously I'm only speaking for myself, I accept not everyone is going to share the same view. 

Fair.

Personally, I have faith that he can do it so he has my unwavering support.

[Holmesy]

1 hour ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

As much as I have my frustrations with Howe, I'm finding the discourse around him currently extremely disrespectful. Some fans don't deserve him. 

 

We know how good he can be, there could be (and are) extremely valid reasons for whatever's gone down this season so far & some of the weird things we're seeing from him. Imo, you have to look at his entire body of work with us and analyse that rather than just this season, especially when the mooted alternatives are pretty mediocre imo.

 

I was watching the AWSF podcast last night and there was a suggestion it's too far gone - bollocks, football can change very quickly; Howe has literally proved this with us already when he took us from relegation fodder to CL qualifiers in 18 months. Maybe some of the current players aren't responding to him anymore, maybe the club's lack of direction or the splitting nature of the Isak situation has created a mental block for some of them. Fine, move them on if they're not committed to NUFC or don't think they can be back at 100% in.

 

As a club, we need to figure out what we're doing to achieve our publicly stated ambitions before this summer. The initial honeymoon is over, we need to set a strong, stable direction for the next phase - players/agents won't buy in at all otherwise. As fans, we'll buy in too if we can see where it's all going.

Were you saying the same thing when Pardew got us to 5th? He didn't spend anywhere near £700m to achieve that but still got labelled as lucky and a chancer (which he was).
It's a slightly tongue in cheek question because Eddie is a very different human being and a far more talented manager but he is absolutely not beyond question, and I think some of these comments come from a personal standpoint rather than a footballing one because Eddie is a gentleman.
If he had achieved what he has and was a total dick at the same time, would you still be making that comment?

We are first and foremost supporters of Newcastle United. To be quite honest, I don't give a shit who is in the dugout as long as we're moving forward and the football is entertaining. 

I'd prefer it wasn't an arsehole but you know what, football and the success of this club comes first so if he is and he's doing a great job, so be it.

Some believe Eddie will rise again because of what he has done in the past. Some believe there are mitigating circumstances for us looking shit for 25/6 of 32 games and consistently losing to inferior opposition. Some don't. That's football. 
His job is first and foremost to get results. Currently, we're seeing 11 footballers who aren't trying as hard as they can, in a system that has become predictable and stale, and a defence that look like they've never met each other before. And no improvement. And no one will convince me that poor summer recruitment, selling Isak and no D0F in the summer are responsible for that. We still have a squad full of international footballers who are capable of beating most teams in this league but aren't. There is nothing disrespectful in seeing this and questioning why things aren't changing. 
 

I personally feel his current approach has hit a ceiling but he should be given the chance to prove he can do things differently (and that is because he has credit in the bank). But I won't cry if he leaves - he leaves with millions in the bank, the well wishes and gratitude of the full fan base, and hopefully a statue. We moved on from Keegan, Bobby, Hughton and Rafa, and we'll move on from Eddie when the time comes.


 

[Fenham Mag]

35 minutes ago, HawK said:

 

Simeone going is he?

 

Rumours he is heading to Inter. 

[Nucasol]

Balls deep for Inzaghi here.

[TRC]

1 hour ago, Fenham Mag said:

So potentially Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U, Atletico and Real Madrid all looking for a new manager this summer. 

 

Just feels like the wrong time to be looking for a new manager if we are looking for an 'elite' one.

Possibly City and Arsenal too

[Wallsendmag]

1 hour ago, Holmesy said:

Were you saying the same thing when Pardew got us to 5th? He didn't spend anywhere near £700m to achieve that but still got labelled as lucky and a chancer (which he was).
It's a slightly tongue in cheek question because Eddie is a very different human being and a far more talented manager but he is absolutely not beyond question, and I think some of these comments come from a personal standpoint rather than a footballing one because Eddie is a gentleman.
If he had achieved what he has and was a total dick at the same time, would you still be making that comment?

We are first and foremost supporters of Newcastle United. To be quite honest, I don't give a shit who is in the dugout as long as we're moving forward and the football is entertaining. 

I'd prefer it wasn't an arsehole but you know what, football and the success of this club comes first so if he is and he's doing a great job, so be it.

Some believe Eddie will rise again because of what he has done in the past. Some believe there are mitigating circumstances for us looking shit for 25/6 of 32 games and consistently losing to inferior opposition. Some don't. That's football. 
His job is first and foremost to get results. Currently, we're seeing 11 footballers who aren't trying as hard as they can, in a system that has become predictable and stale, and a defence that look like they've never met each other before. And no improvement. And no one will convince me that poor summer recruitment, selling Isak and no D0F in the summer are responsible for that. We still have a squad full of international footballers who are capable of beating most teams in this league but aren't. There is nothing disrespectful in seeing this and questioning why things aren't changing. 
 

I personally feel his current approach has hit a ceiling but he should be given the chance to prove he can do things differently (and that is because he has credit in the bank). But I won't cry if he leaves - he leaves with millions in the bank, the well wishes and gratitude of the full fan base, and hopefully a statue. We moved on from Keegan, Bobby, Hughton and Rafa, and we'll move on from Eddie when the time comes.


 

 

With his current approach, tactics and profile of player he tries to sign he's 100% hit the ceiling of what we can achieve and we go backwards. The poor teams can now defend relatively easily against us simply by getting themselves into a simple low block and then attacking when need be. The better teams can play through us quite easily and at will.

 

The summer needs a different approach. Technical players above athletes is a must. "Runners" only get you so far. Then the question will be can Howe work with this profile of player or is he more comfortable coaching athletes?

 

As has been mentioned, Longstaff who will have had 100s of coaching sessions under Howe, said he was surprised by how much more work they do with the ball in training at Leeds compared to at Newcastle. He left on good terms without an axe to grind so no reason to believe there's any malice in those comments.

 

He simply needs to adapt and evolve. Same as every other coach. My issue is that I'm not sure he can, or is prepared to, and if that's the case it's best for all parties if we all move on. I thought after the last Sunderland disaster he had 7 games to save his job and I still believe that. He's tripped over at the next hurdle. If Bournemouth beat us on Saturday we go Arsenal away on the back of 4 straight losses and I fear things could get really messy.

[TRC]

One thing to consider is the majority of new appointments fail after a successful manager.

Also the squad needs a major revamp whoever comes in should have at least a year to sort it out and just finishing top half should be the expectation.

[andycap]

42 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Balls deep for Inzaghi here.

Did inzaghi leave inter and go to some Saudi club? 

[Pilko]

1 minute ago, TRC said:

One thing to consider is the majority of new appointments fail after a successful manager.

Also the squad needs a major revamp whoever comes in should have at least a year to sort it out and just finishing top half should be the expectation.

 

I think that would be fine and accepted by most as long as we saw a real transition to a more controlled style of play and more technical quality featuring. That goes for Eddie or a new manager btw.

[dcmk]

16 minutes ago, TRC said:

One thing to consider is the majority of new appointments fail after a successful manager.

Also the squad needs a major revamp whoever comes in should have at least a year to sort it out and just finishing top half should be the expectation.

With one game a week, should be aiming top 7 at least.

 

[Wolfcastle]

Should be based on the future more than the present or past and how we think its going to be. Otherwise no manager that's done well would ever leave that club and Sir Bobby could have been given a 10year contract. But you've got to think ahead even just to preserve what you have at the time much less enhance it which is where were supposed to be at. Changing managers that have done well previouisly if it looks like a clubs going in the wrong direction is standard its not a new thing that came in with new-Chelsea.

 

 

Edited April 14 by Wolfcastle

[Nucasol]

26 minutes ago, andycap said:

Did inzaghi leave inter and go to some Saudi club? 

Al Hilal.

[TRC]

11 minutes ago, dcmk said:

With one game a week, should be aiming top 7 at least.

 

If we are changing our manager + half the team then that is a massive ask.

[dcmk]

3 minutes ago, TRC said:

If we are changing our manager + half the team then that is a massive ask.

Whatever signings are made should be elevating the team not going sideways.

 

[St1pe]

1 hour ago, Holmesy said:

Were you saying the same thing when Pardew got us to 5th? 

 

This is honestly one of the worst takes  I’ve read in this whole Howe debate. There is no comparison to the Howe situation and what Pardew inflicted on us for years. I don’t believe anyone that attended games during that period would even bring it up. It was fucking diabolical. He was carried by Ba and Cisse in that 5th year  we were mostly shit that season too. For all Howe has been poor this year we’re not getting pumped every couple of weeks by 3 goals plus. 
 

 

[dcmk]

2 hours ago, Holmesy said:

Were you saying the same thing when Pardew got us to 5th? He didn't spend anywhere near £700m to achieve that but still got labelled as lucky and a chancer (which he was).
It's a slightly tongue in cheek question because Eddie is a very different human being and a far more talented manager but he is absolutely not beyond question, and I think some of these comments come from a personal standpoint rather than a footballing one because Eddie is a gentleman.
If he had achieved what he has and was a total dick at the same time, would you still be making that comment?

We are first and foremost supporters of Newcastle United. To be quite honest, I don't give a shit who is in the dugout as long as we're moving forward and the football is entertaining. 

I'd prefer it wasn't an arsehole but you know what, football and the success of this club comes first so if he is and he's doing a great job, so be it.

Some believe Eddie will rise again because of what he has done in the past. Some believe there are mitigating circumstances for us looking shit for 25/6 of 32 games and consistently losing to inferior opposition. Some don't. That's football. 
His job is first and foremost to get results. Currently, we're seeing 11 footballers who aren't trying as hard as they can, in a system that has become predictable and stale, and a defence that look like they've never met each other before. And no improvement. And no one will convince me that poor summer recruitment, selling Isak and no D0F in the summer are responsible for that. We still have a squad full of international footballers who are capable of beating most teams in this league but aren't. There is nothing disrespectful in seeing this and questioning why things aren't changing. 
 

I personally feel his current approach has hit a ceiling but he should be given the chance to prove he can do things differently (and that is because he has credit in the bank). But I won't cry if he leaves - he leaves with millions in the bank, the well wishes and gratitude of the full fan base, and hopefully a statue. We moved on from Keegan, Bobby, Hughton and Rafa, and we'll move on from Eddie when the time comes.


 

We certainly moved on from Keegan, Bobby, Rafa into a wilderness for many years when we attempted to replace them. Setting us back a long time.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 14 by dcmk

[Holmesy]

2 minutes ago, dcmk said:

We certainly moved on from Keegan, Bobby, Rafa into a wilderness for many years when we attempted to replace them. Setting us back a long time.

 

 

 

 

 

Because we hired shit managers to replace them. And that might be why so many people are shitting themselves about Eddie being replaced, because historically we've made awful decisions. But we're under new ownership now so hopefully it wouldn't happen again.

[Zero]

I wonder those that suggest we should let Howe to continue next season - then at what point would you agree it’s time to part away?