Eddie Howe

[Kid Icarus]

It could be lies, but it also says he was pushed aside by Mitchell...

 

So even if its the truth, has nothing to do with Howe or Andy Howe.

 

 

Edited April 15 by Kid Icarus

[nufcjmc]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Nobody thinks we had a good summer, I’m not sure what we’re debating sometimes

I think and I am scared to join the protracted and often frustratingly circular the debate gets at times but I think the debate seems to stem from who to blame for the shit we now find ourselves in and the biggest two issues to me are:

 

recruitment in the summer was poor and has not helped our season

recruitment wasn't possible for a few windows due to PSR and the big spend possibly the last big spend we get to make is now been wasted

 

and thus is an extention of Howe argument/debate in the sense is Howe unlucky having a bad hand given to him or being part of the issue/downfall due to his role in getting here. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Brought in to deal with incomings last summer - the context for which is absolutely crucial. The way that and the whole set up is spun like we weren't a CEO and DoF down at the time is why it's so obviously disingenuous on its face.

Yeah we were but isn't it odd the junior handles the incomings? 

 

I really don't think anyone has spun anything I didn't see @Menacedispite the lack or a sporting director or CEO. 

[Infinitely Content]

Although we were high-intensity and somewhat chaotic in Howe's early years here, we still had measured, patient and repeatable patterns of play in the final third designed to break down teams sitting deep. I'm thinking of those Longstaff runs into the box between the full back and centre back, Trippier & Bruno's patient possession looking to get Almiron in over the top. Without any of that season, we look haphazard, stale and toothless and it's partially what has led to question marks over Howe as a coach.

For me I disagree with those question marks to a large degree, as he's already shown that he can blend high intensity with clever passages of play, we just need to see a return of it - and I believe we will if we give him more time. I want to see more from Lewis Hall in this sense, he needs to be more creative in the final third as he has all of the ability to do it, and full backs are the best creative outlet as they have the most time and space when a team is sitting deep.

Howe can do it, I'm certain of it.

[Yorkie]

8 minutes ago, Menace said:

 

https://nufcblog.co.uk/2024/09/06/steve-nickson-not-happy-as-paul-mitchell-prepares-to-make-changes-report

 

Could obviously be lies 

 

Edit: I do recall on the local journos saying Nickson had applied for the sporting director role but wasn't being considered - or I could be talking shite of course 

 

 

 

 

I assume you can see what I'm getting at, like. It's all conjecture, there's no evidence of anything either way really.

 

All we know about the summer is that the people left to deal with it was a scratch team of Howe, Howe, Nickson and presumably a variety of other people who are much less well known. The specifics of how we arrived there are unknown.

 

Meanwhile poor old Andy Howe is this lightning rod and, by extension, it's a stick to beat Howe with.

 

The Andy stuff has always seemed very: 

 

 

 

[HaydnNUFC]

41 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Andy Howe's not in charge of transfers is he?

 

Also we know have a new CEO and Sporting Director. 

 

Nah. Spends too much time on Hinge, apparently.

 

 

Edited April 15 by HaydnNUFC

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

Yeah we were but isn't it odd the junior handles the incomings? 

 

I really don't think anyone has spun anything I didn't see @Menacedispite the lack or a sporting director or CEO. 

The whole thing was odd. Knowing that the CEO was leaving and doing nothing about it, the DoF leaving and the contigency plan being to hand it to 3 people with no DoF or CEO experience and saying 'you do it' 

 

Reuben has to take some blame too, he seemingly only got involved from the Sesko signing attempt onwards.

[Menace]

I just find it baffling that a junior was given the role of handling potentially signings that could have set us back multiple years - that's what I'm getting at. It doesn't help Howe's argument that it was his nephew of course, but neither am I saying that the club aren't to blame for him to be in this position. 

 

How the hell is a guy in his early 30s who has no prior experience - the direct operator of a club who was closing in £50-£60M signings ffs  

 

It's absolutely insane

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

The whole thing was odd. Knowing that the CEO was leaving and doing nothing about it, the DoF leaving and the contigency plan being to hand it to 3 people with no DoF or CEO experience and saying 'you do it' 

 

Reuben has to take some blame too, he seemingly only got involved from the Sesko signing attempt onwards.

It was ill give you that. As time has passed I do understand it though. 

 

Obviously they saw Hopinkson as exactly what they want and it took time to get him, on the surface that's actually logical as he's been head or commercial at real Madrid and worked at huge sporting franchises his whole career. 

 

To me, and you may disagree but the Mitchell situation is obvious he simply lost the power battle and went. 

 

Unless we targeted different players it didn't actually make much difference imo. When I look at the players we missed out on, all of them went to more prestigious clubs and having a sporting director talk to them would have made precisely zero difference. The rest is entirely up to interpretation and how much we believe Eddie is involved in things. 

[Ben]

Just now, Menace said:

I just find it baffling that a junior was given the role of handling potentially signings that could have set us back multiple years - that's what I'm getting at. It doesn't help Howe's argument that it was his nephew of course, but neither am I saying that the club aren't to blame for him to be in this position. 

 

How the hell is a guy in his early 30s who has no prior experience - the direct operator of a club who was closing in £50-£60M signings ffs  

 

It's absolutely insane

 

I would imagine thee would be a lot more signatures on the contract other than his, TBF the players we were linked with in early pre season last year would have transformed our team, unfortunately we had to resort to option 2 3 or 4 because the clubs not effected by PSR could pay more, when the season started I was happy with the business done.

[Yorkie]

1 minute ago, Menace said:

I just find it baffling that a junior was given the role of handling potentially signings that could have set us back multiple years - that's what I'm getting at. It doesn't help Howe's argument that it was his nephew of course, but neither am I saying that the club aren't to blame for him to be in this position. 

 

How the hell is a guy in his early 30s who has no prior experience - the direct operator of a club who was closing in £50-£60M signings ffs  

 

It's absolutely insane

 

But what's your evidence of this? 

 

He's young but he was Head of Scouting at Bournemouth for five years before taking a step down to join Newcastle as a scout a couple of months after Eddie arrived. Therefore he's been in the building (again, in who knows what capacity really) for the manager's whole tenure. There's nothing at all to suggest it's "insane" that he's involved in our recruitment. 

 

Basically, in my opinion, it boils down to wanting to find reasons to slate the manager, and leaning into the nepotism thing.

[Menace]

14 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

The whole thing was odd. Knowing that the CEO was leaving and doing nothing about it, the DoF leaving and the contigency plan being to hand it to 3 people with no DoF or CEO experience and saying 'you do it' 

 

Reuben has to take some blame too, he seemingly only got involved from the Sesko signing attempt onwards.

 

I often wonder why the Saudis haven't bought him out actually, or is it just a case of not wanting the club to be 100% Saudi owned for "PR" purposes?

 

I know the RB have investment in Newcastle so know the area at the back of their hands, and could obviously grease some palms for future use - but considering it's took them yonks to even find a training pitch - I just find it odd they've not bought him out. 

 

 

Edited April 15 by Menace

[TheEntertainer]

I don't think you can argue it's a good thing he's involved in the recruitment either though as we just don't know and him being the managers nephew is definitely a red flag. We don't know if he's any good or not, or even how much actual say he had over the transfers though so it's all a moot point really. It does smell a bit off though, but there's no way of knowing if it actually is a bad thing really. 

[TheBrownBottle]

6 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

I would imagine thee would be a lot more signatures on the contract other than his, TBF the players we were linked with in early pre season last year would have transformed our team, unfortunately we had to resort to option 2 3 or 4 because the clubs not effected by PSR could pay more, when the season started I was happy with the business done.

That isn’t the case - we were turned down because they preferred moving to more attractive clubs, which a modicum of proper scouting would likely have made clear.  We actually bid significantly more for Sesko, but he preferred to join Man Utd.  
 

PSR meant that we couldn’t blow those clubs out of the water - which of course is the purpose of it - but that also assumes that PIF and RB even want to do that in the first place. 
 

Resorting to options 2, 3 or 4 doesn’t mean overpaying for any old shite.  Besides, Elanga and Wissa were linked pretty early on. 

[nufcjmc]

I probably forgot this but interesting quotes from Howe on Howe following Ashworths exit (from March 24): 

 

Eddie Howe has been speaking about Andy Howe's position at Newcastle United, revealing the key role he played in a host of recent signings and responding to reports of a promotion.

The boss told the press on Friday morning that Andy - his nephew - had a "huge part" to play in the signings of Bruno Guimaraes, Sandro Tonali, Anthony Gordon, Tino Livramento and Harrison Ashby, insisting he's been a "very, very prominent" member of our recruitment team.

It was reported last week that Howe junior had been promoted to assistant head of first-team recruitment, seeing him work under Nickson after previously operating as our head of technical scouting. However, Eddie insists that's just a title change, NOT a new role for the former Bournemouth talent-spotter, insisting there's been no change to our transfer team since Dan Ashworth's departure.

"So it's been a title change, not a real change." Howe said. "So his role has always been very, very prominent in recruitment. And he obviously joined us when we first came into the club. He came with us."

"He's played a huge part in the recruitment of some key players when I look at the role in recruiting Bruno (Guimaraes), Tino (Livramento), Sandro (Tonali), Harrison Ashby, Anthony Gordon. He was absolutely prominent in those key signings for the football club.

"So he's, he's done an outstanding job. And as I say, the title change is just recognition really of what he's done.

When asked if there's been a reshuffle in our recruitment team, Howe added: "Dan's (Ashworth) exit hasn't changed anything regarding our recruitment processes, how we recruit the methods which we use something that's been totally unaffected."

 

Obviously he's not going into details exactly what it was Andy did in terms of talent ID/Talking to the player etc but clearly the lad has some useful skillset outside of having the same Surname. 

[Nucasol]

21 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Nah. Spends too much time on Hinge, apparently.

 

 

 

Hinge or Minge?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

8 minutes ago, TheEntertainer said:

I don't think you can argue it's a good thing he's involved in the recruitment either though as we just don't know and him being the managers nephew is definitely a red flag. We don't know if he's any good or not, or even how much actual say he had over the transfers though so it's all a moot point really. It does smell a bit off though, but there's no way of knowing if it actually is a bad thing really. 

Yeah, and it only smells off because we made some bad signings. Before that it was pretty much fine. 

[Menace]

I find that surprising - always thought it was Nickson that was doing the recruitment and pretty sure he was the one that flew out with Ashworth to finalise Isak etc too.

 

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[The College Dropout]

We used to go for players 1-2 years before other big clubs would go in for them.  Last summer we decided to shop in the same stores as the big boys.  
 

The moment to go for Mbeumo and even Wissa was 12 months earlier. That was the summer to gamble on Semenyo. Instead we went for the safer Elanga. 

[HaydnNUFC]

1 minute ago, Nucasol said:

Hinge or Minge?

 

The former. Went on a date with a lass back in February whose housemate went out with him via Hinge for a bit. Was astounded. Hope she gave him the clap.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

The former. Went on a date with a lass back in February whose housemate went out with him via Hinge for a bit. Was astounded. Hope she gave him the clap.

Why were you astounded? 

[HaydnNUFC]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Why were you astounded? 

 

One of our supposed head of transfers on Hinge I just found a bit amusing, nowt that deep.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We used to go for players 1-2 years before other big clubs would go in for them.  Last summer we decided to shop in the same stores as the big boys.  
 

The moment to go for Mbeumo and even Wissa was 12 months earlier. That was the summer to gamble on Semenyo. Instead we went for the safer Elanga. 

I generally agree with this, all I’d say on it is that we likely believed we were going to be very attractive to players and were entering another phase of our development. 
 

And I guess we didn’t have anyone in place to say if that might be been a bit naive given wages other clubs can pay. And/or the people needed to identify those other targets reliably?  
 

I also think we were unlucky that literally every major target fancied a different move. We might have been allowed to land a couple. 

[nufcjmc]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

We used to go for players 1-2 years before other big clubs would go in for them.  Last summer we decided to shop in the same stores as the big boys.  
 

The moment to go for Mbeumo and even Wissa was 12 months earlier. That was the summer to gamble on Semenyo. Instead we went for the safer Elanga. 

I actually dont mind a mix of both approaches the issue is when all the chips are on a single strategy (many were frustrated how long we waited on Halls introduction likely in part due to his age and experience). 

 

We now find ourselves with a summer of "ready made" not very very young in terms of footballing terms signings for massive fees we likely cant peddle due to said fee (all bar Wissa young enough to get better but I dont believe thats what we paid the premiums in them for). 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, HaydnNUFC said:

 

One of our supposed head of transfers on Hinge I just found a bit amusing, nowt that deep.

Have been rejected by a few minor celebrities on Tinder, doesn’t surprise me so much.