Eddie Howe

[Pilko]

1 hour ago, TK-421 said:

"Intensity" still to be "our Identity"?
 

 

 

"I think we are a passing style"

 

I really hope that's just media management and he doesn't truly believe that.

[nufcjmc]

5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

This seems to be the latest sleight of hand, choosing the gross spend over his entire time here and then handpicking the current league position.

 

Then acting incredulous when people see what you're trying to do.

I mean the investment and backing to that reported figure is real though it's over many seasons but we know we have made no significant player sales beyond wood? The rat? Almiron and Kelly?

 

Hes assembled an expensive squad for our current league position but ultimately we still have early takeover players and ashley era players in our regular match day squad so don't know if it can be used as a stick to beat howe with over just more indication that this feels like an end of a cycle/reset needed next due to age of some of the players now. 

 

This needs to happen regardless of who is in the dug out though. 

[St1pe]

3 minutes ago, HawK said:

 

I specifically said it hasn't and isn't working for us. I'm sure if Howe had arguably the PLs most effective right-sided attacker of all time next to peak Mané and Firmino, Van Dijk playing every single game of the season.. a bench and supporting cast of super-experienced PL stalwarts like Lallana, Milner, Henderson and nearly all their big hitters having an injury-free season with most regular starters getting 28+ PL apps (Keita & Lovren aside) then Howe might win the PL too.

 

Instead we've got players who can't trap a ball or cover passing lanes out of possession.

 

Horses for courses. Liverpool pressed like demons out of possession because they could keep the ball when they had it, they could recover their energy whilst on the ball. When we get the ball we're knackered and we stand about with no energy to make passing options available.

 

Just my opinion mind.

I might have missed a previous post before last one so maybe lacking context here but that’s always been his style since he came here. We’ve qualified for the Champions League twice and won a cup after surviving relegation. With players not of the same calibre of that Liverpool team. 
 

im not saying we haven’t been shite this year because it’s been painful viewing pretty much all season but to say it hasn’t worked for us isn’t true. 
 

With some smart recruitment with even a 50% better success rate from last summer and I don’t see why we couldn’t be up there again. 

[KennyUtd]

1 hour ago, Virtua Stiva said:

He absolutely needs a holiday, like. Hopefully the right people are in the right places so he can have 6 weeks with his family and not have to be dragged into fire fighting mode to save the summer. Maybe then, the intensity will be back 

There's absolutely no way Eddie Howe takes 6 weeks off like. Not ever.

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, nufcjmc said:

I mean the investment and backing to that reported figure is real though it's over many seasons but we know we have made no significant player sales beyond wood? The rat? Almiron and Kelly?

 

Hes assembled an expensive squad for our current league position but ultimately we still have early takeover players and ashley era players in our regular match day squad so don't know if it can be used as a stick to beat howe with over just more indication that this feels like an end of a cycle/reset needed next due to age of some of the players now. 

 

This needs to happen regardless of who is in the dug out though. 

 

Yeah, as you say we've basically had very few saleable assets for the most part so have had to spend. My bone to pick with the way that's phrased is mainly just that it's not net and it ignores all of the rewards we've reaped prior to currently being 14th in the league. 

[HawK]

3 minutes ago, St1pe said:

I might have missed a previous post before last one so maybe lacking context here but that’s always been his style since he came here. We’ve qualified for the Champions League twice and won a cup after surviving relegation. With players not of the same calibre of that Liverpool team. 
 

im not saying we haven’t been shite this year because it’s been painful viewing pretty much all season but to say it hasn’t worked for us isn’t true. 
 

With some smart recruitment with even a 50% better success rate from last summer and I don’t see why we couldn’t be up there again. 

 

You're not wrong - I think next season we'll be fine, might even qualify for Europe again, but as happened in our first CL campaign under Howe and this season, the league is going to be painful again the following season if we do.

 

I've said before a few weeks ago - if we're happy to be a European yo-yo club, then we need to keep Howe and get behind him as this looks like this is how we're going to be under his leadership. Which is a damn sight better than 90% of our seasons in the PL since its formation, and for our long term health of the club is very good as it builds our profile out as big hitters for social media following / commercialism / attracting players and gives us a platform.

 

But it's frustrating to be on the cusp and not be able to progress further. Short term I think as long as we shift recruitment away from Howe, we'll get more signings like Hall again which I don't think Eddie would have even thought of us a player for us. Howe is fantastic at working with what he's got but doesn't seem so good at looking beyond the obvious as last summer showed, everybody that came in was a known quantity (even Woltemade after the Euros). 

 

Within PSR scouting and squad building, succession planning, is all so important - and I think this is where we lack a bit compared to other teams in our bracket now.

 

I just hear Howe say 'we need more athletes' and it sends me over the edge

 

 

 

[Holloway]

I can't get on board with the 'we are a passing style ' comment there from Eddie,our poor ball retention has been one of the main gripes in general afaicr, ask Sean Longstaff.

Nearly as much as Jordan Cronin being a writer for iconic media outlet Geordie Journo's

 

 

Edited April 17 by Holloway

[OoOGazOoO]

I am not sure I agree with his comments RE passing style.

 

Our build up play is copy & paste, we get it to the flanks, and then 9 times out of ten, it goes back to the right or left back from the winger, and we recycle again. It all feels quite 'safe' and regimented personally.

[Crimson Cardigan]

Actually listen to the presser he’s just quoting back a very clumsy question.

 

i can only assume the journo meant to say “possession style”

 

 

Edited April 17 by Crimson Cardigan

[Yorkie]

4 minutes ago, Crimson Cardigan said:

Actually listen to the presser he’s just quoting back a very clumsy question.

 

i can only assume the journo meant to say “possession style”

 

 

always the best policy

[KaKa]

8 minutes ago, Holloway said:

I can't get on board with the 'we are a passing style ' comment there from Eddie,our poor ball retention has been one of the main gripes in general afaicr, ask Sean Longstaff.

Nearly as much as Jordan Cronin being a writer for iconic media outlet Geordie Journo's

 

 

 

 

He followed that up by saying with an aim to going forward and scoring goals and not just passing sideways and backwards for the sake of it.

 

I understand where he's coming from. The main problem though is that in the central midfield area we only have one player that can consistently get on the ball and make good use of it.

 

I think in that midfield area we can only carry one such player that is not particularly strong in that area, and it has to be in the 8 position that pushes further forward and tries to get closer to the striker. This is the position Joelinton currently plays.

 

Having a player that is not particularly good at getting on the ball and distributing it well consistently in that deeper 6 position, in Tonali, has been a big hinderance, and I'm really hoping that can be resolved after he gets the move he is seemingly after, which could be a blessing in disguise IMO.

 

If Gordon also leaves, looking at a left winger that is more consistent keeping hold of the ball would also be good as he can be too loose with the ball as well. And then on the right wing, I think they should also move forward with the view to having Elanga as the secondary option there as he needs to work on his game further and continue to develop, and shouldn't be the first choice on that side as things stand. A signing on that side that is also tighter in possession of the ball would be great.

 

 

 

[TK-421]

Heres the question as asked and answered..
 

 

[Mole]

10 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

He followed that up by saying with an aim to going forward and scoring goals and not just passing sideways and backwards for the sake of it.

 

I understand where he's coming from. The main problem though is that in the central midfield area we only have one player that can consistently get on the ball and make good use of it.

 

I think in that midfield area we can only carry one such player that is not particularly strong in that area, and it has to be in the 8 position that pushes further forward and tries to get closer to the striker. This is the position Joelinton currently plays.

 

Having a player that is not particularly good at getting on the ball and distributing it well consistently in that deeper 6 position, in Tonali, has been a big hinderance, and I'm really hoping that can be resolved after he gets the move he is seemingly after, which could be a blessing in disguise IMO.

 

If Gordon also leaves, looking at a left winger that is more consistent keeping hold of the ball would also be good as he can be too loose with the ball as well. And then on the right wing, I think they should also move forward with the view to having Elanga as the secondary option there as he needs to work on his game further and continue to develop, and shouldn't be the first choice on that side as things stand. A signing on that side that is also tighter in possession of the ball would be great.

 

 

 

I think this idea would work better if the wingers were more of a threat than they actually are.

 

It doesn't really work under the current set up. I don't disagree with his mindset in general but like I don't think it works with the current team.

[TheEntertainer]

13 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

He followed that up by saying with an aim to going forward and scoring goals and not just passing sideways and backwards for the sake of it.

 

I understand where he's coming from. The main problem though is that in the central midfield area we only have one player that can consistently get on the ball and make good use of it.

 

I think in that midfield area we can only carry one such player that is not particularly strong in that area, and it has to be in the 8 position that pushes further forward and tries to get closer to the striker. This is the position Joelinton currently plays.

 

Having a player that is not particularly good at getting on the ball and distributing it well consistently in that deeper 6 position, in Tonali, has been a big hinderance, and I'm really hoping that can be resolved after he gets the move he is seemingly after, which could be a blessing in disguise IMO.

 

If Gordon also leaves, looking at a left winger that is more consistent keeping hold of the ball would also be good as he can be too loose with the ball as well. And then on the right wing, I think they should also move forward with the view to having Elanga as the secondary option there as he needs to work on his game further and continue to develop, and shouldn't be the first choice on that side as things stand. A signing on that side that is also tighter in possession of the ball would be great.

 

 

 

Yeah as much as I'd prefer Tonali and Gordon not to leave as they're both good players, they both have limitations and aren't irreplaceable. I'd feel much less ok about Bruno or Hall leaving. 

[KaKa]

5 minutes ago, Mole said:

I think this idea would work better if the wingers were more of a threat than they actually are.

 

It doesn't really work under the current set up. I don't disagree with his mindset in general but like I don't think it works with the current team.

 

We always end up going to the wingers too early in the build up phase way too often, with their backs to goal, because we struggle so much playing through the middle, and it's been infinitely worse with Bruno missing. They drop too deep too often to try and help initiate play, and these are not the sort of wingers we have at all really.

 

 

Edited April 17 by KaKa

[Holloway]

16 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

He followed that up by saying with an aim to going forward and scoring goals and not just passing sideways and backwards for the sake of it.

 

I understand where he's coming from. The main problem though is that in the central midfield area we only have one player that can consistently get on the ball and make good use of it.

 

I think in that midfield area we can only carry one such player that is not particularly strong in that area, and it has to be in the 8 position that pushes further forward and tries to get closer to the striker. This is the position Joelinton currently plays.

 

Having a player that is not particularly good at getting on the ball and distributing it well consistently in that deeper 6 position, in Tonali, has been a big hinderance, and I'm really hoping that can be resolved after he gets the move he is seemingly after, which could be a blessing in disguise IMO.

 

If Gordon also leaves, looking at a left winger that is more consistent keeping hold of the ball would also be good as he can be too loose with the ball as well. And then on the right wing, I think they should also move forward with the view to having Elanga as the secondary option there as he needs to work on his game further and continue to develop, and shouldn't be the first choice on that side as things stand. A signing on that side that is also tighter in possession of the ball would be great.

 

 

 

Yeah, would love to see Miley cement that position, he seems ideal for it.

In general though, I think our retention isn't great when under any kind of pressure 

[AngelofTheFourth]

1 hour ago, HawK said:

I'm a bit surprised that the tag line that people are grabbing onto here is the sideways passing rather than the alarming doubling-down of recruiting players with 'athlete' as one of their main attributes.

This is my concern like. People ignoring him saying that he is leading another transfer window. This time with no European football to offer. 

[Mole]

30 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

We always end up going to the wingers too early in the build up phase way too often, with their backs to goal, because we struggle so much playing through the middle, and it's been infinitely worse with Bruno missing. They drop too deep too often to try and help initiate play, and these are not the sort of wingers we have at all really.

 

 

 

Yeah I think one of things I noticed very early into this season as someone who hadn't watched before that initially.

 

The wingers have way too much responsibility for their actual ability to impact the game. 

[Mole]

1 hour ago, St1pe said:

You’re talking about it like it’s some failed method that’s never worked. Klopp won titles playing like that 

Aye but Klopp's teams had a much higher standard of quality when it comes to the wingers. (Fullbacks too but I have no issues with Hall and Tino)

 

This sort of tactic lives and dies by that position and the sort of production you can get from it. To me there are two options to this problem, either do the best you can to get quality required and accept the fact you will have holes in the team elsewhere and hope it works.

 

Or adapt to what you have accordingly, I think currently we are doing neither which is what is leading to mediocrity.

 

I also think this intensity he talks about simply hasn't been there this season either so that doesn't help.

 

 

Edited April 17 by Mole

[KingArthur]

45 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

We always end up going to the wingers too early in the build up phase way too often, with their backs to goal, because we struggle so much playing through the middle, and it's been infinitely worse with Bruno missing. They drop too deep too often to try and help initiate play, and these are not the sort of wingers we have at all really.

 

 

 

Exactly this. We have no ability to break opponents through the middle, unless we win the ball higher up. Our wingers are not very good 1v1 (Barnes, Murphy) or fast runners and poor footballers (Gordon, Elanga). There is no one running to support the CF from midfield, except maybe Bruno, but he should also be initiating the play. So we need 2 Brunos.

Tonali is not the biggest problem, but our centrebacks, who, by lack of belief or because of instructions, do not try to play through the lines. Thiaw and Botman at least both could do that. Then pretty much all our midfielders apart from Bruno (and maybe Miley) are not very good on the ball. We give the ball away way too much,

 

 

Edited April 17 by KingArthur

[timeEd32]

After reading the ESPN article about Spurs flawed recruitment and inability to pass I'd really love to see how our whole team ranks in Gradient's passing ratings. I have a feeling it's not pretty.

[TRon]

2 hours ago, nufcjmc said:

I mean the investment and backing to that reported figure is real though it's over many seasons but we know we have made no significant player sales beyond wood? The rat? Almiron and Kelly?

 

Hes assembled an expensive squad for our current league position but ultimately we still have early takeover players and ashley era players in our regular match day squad so don't know if it can be used as a stick to beat howe with over just more indication that this feels like an end of a cycle/reset needed next due to age of some of the players now. 

 

This needs to happen regardless of who is in the dug out though. 

 

Joelinton is a great example of that. I love him as a player, but this season he looks slower and clumsier than he has in the past. He's a depreciating asset that we would probably have sold if Ashworth had had his way, instead he got a new contract on big wages. 

 

Tough one because this is the same player who was instrumental in us winning our first cup for 70 years. Unfortunately the SCR bullshit has stitched us up so we actually need to sell players to compete. 

[OoOGazOoO]

2 hours ago, HawK said:

I'm a bit surprised that the tag line that people are grabbing onto here is the sideways passing rather than the alarming doubling-down of recruiting players with 'athlete' as one of their main attributes.

 

Was this in the press conference?

[HawK]

7 minutes ago, OoOGazOoO said:

 

Was this in the press conference?

 

I took it from this, last paragraph.

 

 

[OoOGazOoO]

2 minutes ago, HawK said:

 

I took it from this, last paragraph.

 

 

 

Great! More running fast and having stamina as opposed to pure footballing ability