Eddie Howe

[Whitley mag]

16 minutes ago, Armchair Pundit said:

For me, it just feels really sad that there's people that are so willing to bin Eddie off, after everything, following a single poor season in the league - especially considering every cup comp in this same season had the latter stages reached.

 

I'm not saying I'm happy with our performances or league position, far from it, but I'd far rather take a more cautious, thought out approach, giving Eddie time to fix things with a decent summer window. I truly think it'd be a mistake right now to rush headlong into bringing in a new manager, with all the upheaval to the club itself and players that would come with it.

What happens if you give him the summer and we start next season like we are now? 
 

Upheaval in the summer could be favourable in contrast to a fully blown crisis and relegation battle 10 weeks into the season.

 

I think it needs a positive front foot approach, you have a much better chance of a good manager in the summer. The club is stale and doubt in a World Cup year we can change 6 players out, the answer is a new manager to bring about the changes needed.

[TheBrownBottle]

23 minutes ago, Mattoon said:

 

Joao Pedro

Liam Delap

Hugo Ekitike

Benjamin Sesko

Hell we even threw the kitchen sink at Isak to make him stay, he had probably 36hrs to get someone through the door at that point and let's not pretend no one thought Wissa was anything but a sure fire bet for goals albeit an expensive acquisition in a desperate situation.

We had the entire summer to replace Wilson, which is what Wissa was.  He wasn’t being replaced by a Sesko or an Ekitike.   There are no excuses for it. 

[Hanshithispantz]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

We had the entire summer to replace Wilson, which is what Wissa was.  He wasn’t being replaced by a Sesko or an Ekitike.   There are no excuses for it. 

The entire summer where Mitchell left and Andy Howe had to take over?

 

 

Edited April 18 by Hanshithispantz

[Stuy_O]

13 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

What's the point of people ignoring all context of what actually happened in order to stick the knife into Howe?

 

Alongside the fact that, as pointed out, we actually tried for about half a dozen other strikers, Wissa was instantly injured for half of the season after he signed which is actually the most likely reason he's been a massive waste of money. 

 

 

 

No one is ignoring it. Yes Isak is a huge miss, yes the schedule has been brutal, yes the boardroom situation wasn't helpful, but we still shouldn't be this poor, and borderline unwatchable. He is trying the same thing over and over every week and its beginning to make the dressing room unravel. 

 

He isn't being at all helped by his players I'll say too mind. As iv mentioned previously, you really see a Newcastle players metal when they're against the ropes, but its looks as though the vast majority of them are buckling under the pressure (and it can be far worse than it is). 

 

 

Edited April 18 by Stuy_O

[LionOfGosforth]

3 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

Maybe they don't think that losing a player and buying several others with the money recouped and other monies besides justifies a massive decline because it far from always follows that path.

 

 

 

 

TBF, it's not just us that finally hit on this. See Man Utd for the past half dozen or so transfer windows waste massive money and have multiple shit/down seasons before finally, inevitably signing some good ones and eventually improving. See also Chelsea for massive money wasted but these clubs are not affected in quite the same way we are. We literally can't have a bad window and the damage may take years to fix.

 

After 4 windows with no significant investment, we were pushed into business we probably didn't want to engage in and wouldn't have had to but for the cunt.

[Wolfcastle]

If the mitigating circumstanes of this season are too much to overcome to a reasonable level, the future ones aren't going to be pretty without Champions League money, Champions League football or a project to sell. 

[Chicken Dancer]

Just now, Hanshithispantz said:

The entire summer where Mitchel left and Andy Howe had to take over?

 
Mitchell might have been a fucking cock but there’s absolutely no way he’d have signed off spending £110m on Elanga and Wissa. 
 

It’s clear Howe won the power battle - justifiably so - but we can’t be absolving him of blame for last summer. He had the run of the show which is why if he is to stay on he needs told he can have an input but not the final say. 

[Kimbo]

23 minutes ago, Armchair Pundit said:

For me, it just feels really sad that there's people that are so willing to bin Eddie off, after everything, following a single poor season in the league - especially considering every cup comp in this same season had the latter stages reached.

 

I'm not saying I'm happy with our performances or league position, far from it, but I'd far rather take a more cautious, thought out approach, giving Eddie time to fix things with a decent summer window. I truly think it'd be a mistake right now to rush headlong into bringing in a new manager, with all the upheaval to the club itself and players that would come with it.

I’m not yet Howe out but things are being nudged in that direct. The board have to ignore any sentimental feelings and predict whether Howe will fix things and improve next season. My problem at the moment is I’m not seeing any interest in making changes, and I’m not hearing about anything he particularly wants to change. If anything it just seems we want to continue what we’re doing but just do it better, which isn’t very convincing.
 

If you do have doubts about whether he’s the correct man for future seasons then the summer is the time to make the change, going into a new season with doubts is how you end up needing a new manager in October.

[LionOfGosforth]

1 minute ago, Wolfcastle said:

If the mitigating circumstanes of this season are too much to overcome to a reasonable level, the future ones aren't going to be pretty without Champions League money, Champions League football or a project to sell. 

 

No doubt. We may have already seen the best we can realistically do. TBH, other than managing European competition better, I don't see how we can do much better than we've done, this season excluded. It's up to the individual if that's "good enough/acceptable" or not.

[TheBrownBottle]

4 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

The entire summer where Mitchell left and Andy Howe had to take over?

 

 

 

Mitchell timed it to fuck us (and Howe) over is my guess, and yes it was a complete mess.  But Howe and his nephew can only work from a shortlist shorter than half a dozen?  I just don’t buy that part. 
 

Howe has been fucked over by mismanagement above and lackadaisical players below - but you can’t sack the board, and you can’t sack the players.  

[Hanshithispantz]

1 minute ago, Stuy_O said:

 

No one is ignoring it. Yes Isak a huge miss, yes the schedule has been brutal, yes the boardroom situation wasn't helpful, but we still shouldn't be this poor, and borderline unwatchable. He is trying the same thing over and over every week and its beginning to make the dressing room unravel. 

 

He isn't being at all helped by his players I'll say too mind. As iv mentioned previously, you really see a Newcastle players metal when they're against the ropes, but its looks as though the vast majority of them are buckling under the pressure (and it can be far worse than it is). 

We've been absolutely shite for most of the season and I think Howe's made a lot of mistakes. It's the effort te present the least charitable takes possible at all times I cannot understand.

 

You have to ignore a massive, half season ending injury in order to present the most bad faith take regarding Howe and Wissa, which people do. You have to ignore Mitchell leaving in order to call Howe shite in the transfer market, which people do etc. 

 

 

[Hanshithispantz]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Mitchell timed it to fuck us (and Howe) over is my guess, and yes it was a complete mess.  But Howe and his nephew can only work from a shortlist shorter than half a dozen?  I just don’t buy that part. 
 

Howe has been fucked over by mismanagement above and lackadaisical players below - but you can’t sack the board, and you can’t sack the players.  

I think they did a bad job but they were working outside of their remit.

 

I get the last part, I just don't understand why we're at that point yet, rather than giving him another chance with a (hopefully) stable backroom.

[LionOfGosforth]

9 minutes ago, Stuy_O said:

 

No one is ignoring it. Yes Isak is a huge miss, yes the schedule has been brutal, yes the boardroom situation wasn't helpful, but we still shouldn't be this poor, and borderline unwatchable. He is trying the same thing over and over every week and its beginning to make the dressing room unravel. 

 

He isn't being at all helped by his players I'll say too mind. As iv mentioned previously, you really see a Newcastle players metal when they're against the ropes, but its looks as though the vast majority of them are buckling under the pressure (and it can be far worse than it is). 

 

 

 

 

I do think if the football had been more like our 23/24 vintage (loads scored, plenty conceded, exciting games) it would have made this season easier to take.

[Stuy_O]

also I doubt there's a poster on this forum who doesn't want him to sort this out. 

 

Eddie Howe is a credit to Newcastle and one of our finest ever managers. We've dished out countless trashings and won a cup, playing some brilliant footy along the way. But we are watching the same film every weekend now.  

 

I'd love for him to rescue this, but these remaining games after the mackem defeat are really damaging, in that there's been ZERO response, expect looking worse. He is a very one dimensional coach and I think we probably need something new. 

[Chicken Dancer]

1 minute ago, LionOfGosforth said:

 

I do think if the football had been more like our 23/24 vintage (loads scored, plenty conceded, exciting games) it would have made this season easier to take.

Yep I do agree with this mind. I think a lot of the frustration- certainly personally - is how absolutely shit we look week in week out. 
 

Said it more than once but we’ve played well for 90 minutes an absolute maximum of 5 times in the league all season. 
 

Our best performance was probably Liverpool back in August which is telling in itself. 

[Zero]

We have to be realistic here. I know some may argue that given time Howe can turn this around and bring the team back to Europe. This might be true.  But it’s also an objective comment that if Howe failed to do so, CONTINUING the current form, then we are heading to relegation next season. This is not a joke. 

[The Butcher]

Back in December I brought my 10-year old Newcastle mad son to the Toon for the first time .We went to see the Burnley game. On the game day we went on a stadium tour. At around 11.00 Eddie showed up. For a 3 PM PM game. He gave us a wave and my son was in awe and close to tears.

 

We won the the game, but my son still talks about Eddie and that wave more often than the game. It meant the World to him, and me.

 

Whatever happens in the next few weeks and months I'll always cherish Eddie for what he's done for us forever.

 

 

[KaKa]

21 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Mitchell timed it to fuck us (and Howe) over is my guess, and yes it was a complete mess.  But Howe and his nephew can only work from a shortlist shorter than half a dozen?  I just don’t buy that part. 
 

Howe has been fucked over by mismanagement above and lackadaisical players below - but you can’t sack the board, and you can’t sack the players.  

 

I often wondered why we were hearing so much about Andy Howe last summer and not Steve Nickson.

 

Nickson is experienced enough that he was considered for the DOF role at one point and I have no doubt he has a list of players that he'd readily have suggested.

 

Seems he wasn't leaned on as much as perhaps he should have been and was given more of a back seat.

[Dava1892]

26 minutes ago, Kimbo said:

I’m not yet Howe out but things are being nudged in that direct. The board have to ignore any sentimental feelings and predict whether Howe will fix things and improve next season. My problem at the moment is I’m not seeing any interest in making changes, and I’m not hearing about anything he particularly wants to change. If anything it just seems we want to continue what we’re doing but just do it better, which isn’t very convincing.
 

If you do have doubts about whether he’s the correct man for future seasons then the summer is the time to make the change, going into a new season with doubts is how you end up needing a new manager in October.

I would argue in some sense this is the way Amorim controlled the tactics without making the changes and hoping that’s the way he plays so everyone has to buy in, we all know what happened there. This style is similar to Howe and the setup he goes for week in week out playing the same players, format and tactics, tactics are clearly high press or sit off depending on who the opposition are.

 

Although I’m behind him 100% somethings are due a change whether he’s digging his heels in and moving the players on who aren’t suited or making the necessary changes to the starting lineup, something we aren’t blessed with with being able to change players around. 
 

Huge summer coming up, let him be involved with the transfers (he will know what’s needed) or move him on beforehand so a new coach has a say in transfers and ability to get going on the training ground early doors.

[Displayname]

We have for the most part looked poor/boring for the last 3 seasons tbh.

Other than a couple of winning streaks the signs have been there for quite a while, this isn't just an outlier season. The outliers have been the winning streaks.

 

 

Edited April 19 by Displayname

[Bimpy474]

34 minutes ago, Stuy_O said:

also I doubt there's a poster on this forum who doesn't want him to sort this out. 

 

Eddie Howe is a credit to Newcastle and one of our finest ever managers. We've dished out countless trashings and won a cup, playing some brilliant footy along the way. But we are watching the same film every weekend now.  

 

I'd love for him to rescue this, but these remaining games after the mackem defeat are really damaging, in that there's been ZERO response, expect looking worse. He is a very one dimensional coach and I think we probably need something new. 

 

That's the thing, he's not one dimensional, the cup victory against Arsenal when Schar from CB rushed out to Odegaard, even if Odegaard was on the edge of their area.

 

And recent wins against Man Utd & Chelsea showed elite tactical management.

 

And yet, he looks so one dimensional like today and against the Mackems among others, it completely baffling the extremes of it.

[r0cafella]

I think the point being made, and one i agree with is distilled like this. 

 

We're there factors which are eternal to Howe: yes.

 

Do said factors justify being in 14th to go with less than a quarter of the season to go? No. 

 

It's not that folk don't see the issues he's faced, it's the fact we've pissed away an unthinkable amount of money when we simply can't afford to, combined with football which is frankly boring, plus massive underperformance. 

 

I'm sorry but no genuine Newcastle fan is getting any pleasure out of wanting our most successful manager in 75 years sacked. 

[Deuce]

Unless we end up under threat of relegation, which is extremely unlikely, I don’t see the point of Eddie moving on/being moved on before the end of the season.

 

 

Edited April 19 by Deuce

[TheBrownBottle]

22 minutes ago, Deuce said:

Unless we end up under threat of relegation, which is extremely unlikely, I don’t see the point of Eddie moving on/being moved on before the end of the season.

 

 

 

If it is to happen, it would be better for it to be announced before the end of the season.  The man deserves a ticker tape send-off, not apathy, ennui and booing after another poor home display. 

[toontownman]

17 minutes ago, Deuce said:

Unless we end up under threat of relegation, which is extremely unlikely, I don’t see the point of Eddie moving on/being moved on before the end of the season.

 

 

 

Unless we have someone available to come in now. I can see logic in that sense.

 

Definitely prudent to have more time working with the squad and assessing what we have. On the players to prove themselves. 

 

I just don't see us having someone lined up or anyone available thats a huge upgrade. More likely we wait a few weeks after season ends and then an exhaustive search that takes too long right up to preseason.