The Prophet Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 24 minutes ago, Holmesy said: True but the comments he has made seem to suggest he will stick to one plan, one way of playing, same coaches etc. And I don’t think you can become a good in-game manager overnight. He used to play 4-4-2 at Bournemouth though, so there’s every chance he’ll do something different but I imagine it will be a close relative of what we’ve seen for 4.5 years. You'll struggle to find a manager in Europe that doesn't have a set of principles and a way they like the game to be played. Howe's NUFC side always reminded me of Klopp's Liverpool side, before they spent the cash to take them to the next level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 4 minutes ago, ianbeany said: On the same account? I looked there but didn't see anything It’s def there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills and Boon Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 23 minutes ago, huss9 said: he got them to a certain level, and then they kicked on under someone else They didn't kick on anywhere. He still has the joint record for highest league finish with them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Honestly think he will walk now. Even the media seem to have finally caught on that his era is over. He's been fantastic, but since the final we've been in rapid decline. Football has moved on and we've not moved with it. His style of play can only go so far. This season has been ugly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 minute ago, lovejoy said: It’s def there. Link? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) Today was evidence that the team are still working for Eddie to my mind. Decent performance, bit of a lack of quality up top but nothing to complain about. Brunos positive energy is coming back at a pivotal time for Wor Eddie. Seems to me people have their hearts and heads set on Eddie's removal at this stage and I have neither. Rightly or wrongly. Only wins turn this around and we absolutely must get 1 or 2 before the end of the season or I fear his time will be up. I agree with @Kid Icarus re. The overall vibe or mood though - it frustrates me that we aren't just backing him to overcome this as he has done before. Edited April 25 by Heron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianbeany Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 2 minutes ago, lovejoy said: It’s def there. Hmmm fuck knows why I cant see it. There's just one new post there for me that has nowt to do with Howe leaving Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 minute ago, La Parka said: Honestly think he will walk now. Even the media seem to have finally caught on that his era is over. He's been fantastic, but since the final we've been in rapid decline. Football has moved on and we've not moved with it. His style of play can only go so far. This season has been ugly. Results don't tend to follow anyone if there is a poor selection of keepers and strikers available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 I do agree he's more likely to walk than be sacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) 9 minutes ago, dcmk said: If we end up with Southgate, Mourinho, Potter or any other mediocre manager, hope people realise how good we had it. If Eddie goes, I'm terrified about who we end up with it. Don't have any trust in the current management appointing a good replacement. And replacing Steve Bruce is one thing... Edited April 25 by Collage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 He's staying and he'll turn ut round next season, everything else is just a bunch of noise from spoiled brats Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 8 minutes ago, dcmk said: If we end up with Southgate, Mourinho, Potter or any other mediocre manager, hope people realise how good we had it. If we end up with a manager who takes us beyond where Howe’s been able to take us then I hope people realise how it was time for a change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianbeany Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Ah found it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 4 minutes ago, Pilko said: I get it - the sticking point for me is the nature of said repairs and upgrades. To continue your analogy, I feel like instead of making the ship more aerodynamic he'll just want burlier sailors rowing it. I do think we'll see a sea change based on the noises coming out around transfers and the noises I've heard about how Howe himself wanted us to be more data-lead/that he was incredibly pissed off with the situation last summer. Tbh my main fear with that is that we throw the baby out with the bathwater. Last summer was a failure, the windows before were inactive, January 22 to summer 23 with a CEO and DoF were fantastic - I hope we don't move too far away from that and end up with too many players that take forever to develop. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if some came good next season as well, nothing's impossible after we witnessed Jacob Murphy looking legitimately like a player I'd do better than into an assist extraordinaire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 minute ago, dcmk said: That doesn't make much sense. Rafa went through poor form and poor seasons, when didn't have players available too. How did he do at Everton, did he find a way to make it work? His record at Bournemouth is something that I don't think Rafa could do, or any manager in the Premier League can do, and so quickly, aside from Pep. https://postimg.cc/7CMF7GcG There’s poor form and then there’s poor form caused by poor management. I’m fairly certain Rafa would have made it work at Everton if he’d been given time but the fans didn’t want him from day 1, and the Board realised they had made a mistake, and bowed to fan pressure. I agree with you that no one could have done what he did at Bournemouth and here, but Eddie is a momentum manager - it works for a while and then it doesn’t. The one thing he has not demonstrated is that he can turn it around when it doesn’t. Eddie is basically Bielsa at Leeds but with more money to spend. Is it inconceivable he turns it around? No. But I don’t think he can do it without significant changes to both playing staff and approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said: If we end up with a manager who takes us beyond where Howe’s been able to take us then I hope people realise how it was time for a change. Well yeah, i agree and hope it's that way. But his dismissal would set a weird precedent. He undoubtedly deserves much more time and opportunity to fix the team so whoever succeeds him, no matter how well they do in their time here, it could be across many seasons and seeing us lift many cups, it will only take one prolonged stretch of poor results to lead us to run them out of town. There is no patience or nuance to any bad form, on this forum at least, wanting results yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 4 minutes ago, ianbeany said: Ah found it Greg Lake believes in Father Christmas so not sure how much we can put on his take Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 The desperation and spite that the twitter lot have to get rid of him is absolutely fucking mental like, some of our fans are utter cunts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milburn Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) 21 minutes ago, The Prophet said: You'll struggle to find a manager in Europe that doesn't have a set of principles and a way they like the game to be played. Howe's NUFC side always reminded me of Klopp's Liverpool side, before they spent the cash to take them to the next level. The problem is when those principles turn into rigidity. You’ll struggle to find top managers who don’t adapt when things clearly aren’t working. It feels like we’re locked into the same 4-3-3 every week, with like-for-like subs around the 65th minute regardless of the game state. That’s not philosophy but inflexibility. His in-game management have become woeful. Edited April 25 by Milburn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 14 minutes ago, dcmk said: Results don't tend to follow anyone if there is a poor selection of keepers and strikers available. But who bought those keepers and strikers? This defence only works for a manager new in a job with someone else’s squad. This is 100% Howe’s squad, and he’s not been getting a tune out of it for going on a year now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 minute ago, Milburn said: The problem is when those principles turn into rigidity. You’ll struggle to find top managers who don’t adapt when things clearly aren’t working. It feels like we’re locked into the same 4-3-3 every week, with like-for-like subs around the 65th minute regardless of the game state. That’s not philosophy but inflexibility. His game management skills have become woeful. We do adapt though. I agree his in game management, including his substitutions have left a lot to be desired of late though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 6 minutes ago, Holmesy said: There’s poor form and then there’s poor form caused by poor management. I’m fairly certain Rafa would have made it work at Everton if he’d been given time but the fans didn’t want him from day 1, and the Board realised they had made a mistake, and bowed to fan pressure. I agree with you that no one could have done what he did at Bournemouth and here, but Eddie is a momentum manager - it works for a while and then it doesn’t. The one thing he has not demonstrated is that he can turn it around when it doesn’t. Eddie is basically Bielsa at Leeds but with more money to spend. Is it inconceivable he turns it around? No. But I don’t think he can do it without significant changes to both playing staff and approach. I don't agree with literally any of that. Every manager has teams which will under perform at some point, it's not something that is unique to us or Howe. To say Howe is a momentum manager after 4 seasons of exceeding expectations, is quite extraordinary and disrespectful. Considering you don't want him to continue after this season, you don't have a clue whether or not, he can turn it around. Can you let me know who the next momentum manager is out there, so we ensure at least another season of success? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 22 minutes ago, The Prophet said: You'll struggle to find a manager in Europe that doesn't have a set of principles and a way they like the game to be played. Howe's NUFC side always reminded me of Klopp's Liverpool side, before they spent the cash to take them to the next level. Yes, early Howe at NUFC was just gegenpressing - which needs buy-in from players (which Howe clearly was able to get). But that feels like a long time ago - what has replaced it? I can’t describe our pattern of play at this point. We don’t look particularly well coached. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, Displayname said: Talking about history. Do we have any examples of any managers from any team in the PL that has recovered from being in the CL then finishing in the bottom half? Howard Wilkinson, sort of. Leeds put in a feeble title defence and finished bottom half, followed by two fifth place finishes, followed by back to the bottom half. 1 hour ago, Astroblack said: Bournemouth were never in the Premier League until Eddie Howe got them into the Premier League. Bournemouth were never bankrolled until then either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 19 minutes ago, dcmk said: Results don't tend to follow anyone if there is a poor selection of keepers and strikers available. Could have spent over 200 million pounds on some decent selections. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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