Eddie Howe

[Mattoon]

6 hours ago, Heron said:

Nobody performs 100%, 100% of the time. Nothing at all does in fact.

 

Our players, or around about half of them, weren't running at 100% of their capability until Howe arrived. They've been running at 100% since (for the vast majority) and for the last 3 to 4 months folk are saying that enough is enough for Howe without him really having much chance to reinvigorate things.

 

I don't think that's right or fair personally.

 

Howe has exceeded expectations for all but this season and even in this "disappointing" season we've reached the semi final of the league cup, the last 16 of the champions league and knocked out by potential treble winners in Manchester City in the FA Cup.

 

Good heavens. Actually laughing in disbelief here.

 

 

 

Hit the nail on the head here, its just a tumultuous season with a lot going wrong or just not working out for him, that doesn't mean its game over, it means he needs to be able to rectify whats wrong and try again, there's been some good in what has been a largely bad season.

 

There's a lot of recency bias charged in this hyperbole, understandably at times, I feel the frustration too, no one wants to lose 6 on the bounce and 9 in the last 12, but this season has taken its toll and we're completely out of steam. But looking at the whole season rather than picking bits out, it hasn't all been doom and gloom.

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, Mattoon said:

Hit the nail on the head here, its just a tumultuous season with a lot going wrong or just not working out for him, that doesn't mean its game over, it means he needs to be able to rectify whats wrong and try again, there's been some good in what has been a largely bad season.

 

There's a lot of recency bias charged in this hyperbole, understandably at times, I feel the frustration too, no one wants to lose 6 on the bounce and 9 in the last 12, but this season has taken its toll and we're completely out of steam. But looking at the whole season rather than picking bits out, it hasn't all been doom and gloom.

Not having a go here, but I was expecting to see green shoots when we were back to one game a week mind and so far I haven't seen much at all. 

 

I'm also not sure that relegation form these last few months is hyperbole either, it's unacceptable and most on this forum are calling it out as such. 

[Mattoon]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

Not having a go here, but I was expecting to see green shoots when we were back to one game a week mind and so far I haven't seen much at all. 

 

I'm also not sure that relegation form these last few months is hyperbole either, it's unacceptable and most on this forum are calling it out as such. 

I don't disagree that the form we're in is unacceptable, its where you see the problem that denotes how you feel about the situation, as I have repeatedly said, I don't think Howe is innocent in all of this but I do believe the cards were stacked against him this season and I also believe that a decent summer will change our fortunes, but I also understand that some people might see that differently.

 

I have been expecting to see green shoots several times this season but I just don't think this team has had it in them to turn things around for a multitude of reasons and perhaps Howe is on a hiding to nowhere.

 

Time will tell who is right, but for me, Howe deserves to put it right and I have faith that he will, again, I understand that others might not.

 

The hyperbolic comment is in reference to the whole season being horrific/a write off, when in fact the cup runs have been very good at times and I feel they're being played down to feed a narrative.

[r0cafella]

Just now, Mattoon said:

I don't disagree that the form we're in is unacceptable, its where you see the problem that denotes how you feel about the situation, as I have repeatedly said, I don't think Howe is innocent in all of this but I do believe the cards were stacked against him this season and I also believe that a decent summer will change our fortunes, but I also understand that some people might see that differently.

 

I have been expecting to see green shoots several times this season but I just don't think this team has had it in them to turn things around for a multitude of reasons and perhaps Howe is on a hiding to nowhere.

 

Time will tell who is right, but for me, Howe deserves to put it right and I have faith that he will, again, I understand that others might not.

 

The hyperbolic comment is in reference to the whole season being horrific/a write off, when in fact the cup runs have been very good at times and I feel they're being played down to feed a narrative.

It's one of those things whereby I can't help but disagree. Things stacked against him is over the top imo. 

 

I've mentioned it before but I'm not sure what people think the ceo would have done apart from sign off on any deals, he's not going to be persuading players that we are the place to be. 

 

In terms of the DOF what change would people expect if we somehow magically had someone other than Paul Mitchell? Most of what we bought were long term targets. 

 

With regards to our performance in the cups we achieved above par in the competition which matters the least. For the others we pretty much went out where I'd expect/in line with our budget.

 

And if we put all of this aside and agree to differ which is obviously fine, can someone explain to me the slop I watch week in week out? The same old predictable tactics, telegraphed subs and total lack of game management. 

 

We've spent a mind boggling money on a squad and we don't have a single player who can beat his man. 

[Ilovetoon8788]

You see the reason he gave for Dan burn playing. Eddie is all about athletes and physicality. He can't know or play with technical players. 

[bobbydazzla]

6 hours ago, dcmk said:

I don't think anyone wanted to play for Almiron, except Bruno F. Almiron was playing for the sack at the end.

 

The players all had a spring in their step and more fight when he left.  Their form is tailing off now - certainly performances, and if Carrick gets the gig permanently they will regret that next season.  Purple patch from a new manager bounce isn't the way for forward. 

 

Case in point us with Glenn Roeder.

Carrick is doing better than Amorim and has the same squad. 

 

That proves the point so was making that change isn’t always bad.

[TRon]

5 hours ago, Crimson Cardigan said:

must have missed something. I thought we were much improved and Arsenal were very fortunate but apparently this is the game that seals Howe’s fate?

 

Arsenal were under a lot of pressure and it showed. They scored their goal from their third atttempt at a short corner where Eze was left to hit the ball with no one closing him down even though he'd threatened to do it just seconds earlier.

 

We huffed and puffed in the other direction without ever really looking like scoring. It wasn't a terrible result or performance, but we lost again.

 

Personally I'm worried that Howe has lost the players and too many have lost faith in the project. 

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

9 hours ago, UncleBingo said:

You're so far up his hoop I doubt you can see anything, you sycophantic berk.

 

What has he embarrassed me about exactly? Pointing out that NUFC have a long history of shooting ourselves in the foot......or was it when he pulled me for a typo?

Rattled to fuck, you should drink a bit less ya puggled old pisscan, far too easily triggered man.

[Superbmac]

7 hours ago, Weezertron said:

People need to learn to be ok with different opinions

Our phones have turned us into brats

[500bhp]

6 hours ago, Monters said:

c) be a sanctimonious prick trying to ridicule other posters and de value women? 

 

So chatting up a lass in a bar 'de value women'. Fucking hell, I've heard it all now 😳

[leffe186]

4 hours ago, Pata said:

 

They sacked him in November less than six months after the CL final and a top 4 finish. After a summer where they didn't spend a penny. @leffe186 knows better but looking at it now it looks incredibly harsh. 

On the face of it at the time it made some sense. The team was clearly on a downward trend, a major squad overhaul was due but not happening and there’s a suspicion that Poch might have been mentally and physically exhausted and needed a break. The Champions League run was mental because we were clearly not firing on all cylinders yet we somehow found a way to keep winning.

 

The big question now is whose fault was the failure to overhaul the squad. The year we got to the final we did not buy a single player. Not one. You simply can’t afford to do that as a Premier League club under any circumstances, but in a club heading towards a rebuild it’s absolutely criminal. I presume the new stadium was a factor, but as well as that and Levy there was a feeling that Poch’s great talent was in building togetherness and team spirit, and maybe he was reluctant to break that up. Combine that with the utter failure the following year where we bought and sold loads of players but got precisely the wrong ones in. That may have been down to Poch in part too, his recruitment was never considered his strong point.

[Zero]

1 hour ago, Ilovetoon8788 said:

You see the reason he gave for Dan burn playing. Eddie is all about athletes and physicality. He can't know or play with technical players. 

 

It’s unbelievable. I thought that’s from the likes of Steve fucking Bruce.

[Newcastle Fan]

1 minute ago, Zero said:

 

It’s unbelievable. I thought that’s from the likes of Steve fucking Bruce.

 

Really was, and the worst thing is that they scored from a short corner instead  and the whole game they were having chances from that side.

 

It's getting to the point now where i really want him to get sacked just to preserve his legacy here, all managers say that if they don't see themselves as the right person to turn it around they'll quit but no one ever does, he will just keep stinking up the place with shit tactics and subs until asked to leave.

 

I said it after the  Sunderland home game there is no logical reason to keep him as our manager, anyone saying otherwise is just saying it based on emotions and hope, all the data suggests otherwise but honestly i don't have any confidence that a Canadian CEO with little football knowledge will be able to make the right choices for the club.

 

 

[Lush Vlad]

2 hours ago, r0cafella said:

Not having a go here, but I was expecting to see green shoots when we were back to one game a week mind and so far I haven't seen much at all. 

 

I'm also not sure that relegation form these last few months is hyperbole either, it's unacceptable and most on this forum are calling it out as such. 

It goes back further, for me. We have barely looked good in the league all season, bar a handful of games. 
 

It was always offset by how well we were doing and often playing in cups. It was easy to see past it, TBH. 

 

Like you say, we’re now back to one game a week. Yet we look far worse. No discernible gameplan or ways we build attacks (story of the season regarding the attacking).
 

We have numerous players out of form or that have never had a chance to play themselves into form. A lot of chopping and changing that hasn’t really worked. And whilst I know you can rotate depending on the game/opposition. I have no idea what our best XI even looks like now. Osula is somehow our best striker. Whilst simultaneously playing like a Springer Spaniel chasing after a ball.
 

I’ll never call for Howe to be sacked. But the longer this goes on. The less faith I have that he will adapt and turn it around. The performances aren’t really a recent thing TBH. Although the players looking half arsed and/or a bit clueless. Certainly is recent.   

[Fak]

5 minutes ago, Newcastle Fan said:

 

 

I said it after the  Sunderland home game there is no logical reason to keep him as our manager, anyone saying otherwise is just saying it based on emotions and hope, all the data suggests otherwise but honestly i don't have any confidence that a Canadian CEO with little football knowledge will be able to make the right choices for the club.

 

Quite a lot to unpick here 

[Kid Icarus]

"All the data"

[Nine]

1 hour ago, Ilovetoon8788 said:

You see the reason he gave for Dan burn playing. Eddie is all about athletes and physicality. He can't know or play with technical players. 

It’s not that he can’t, it’s just his method. It sets a standard across the squad, a bar that they all must be above. It’s pretty clever actually in its own right (however when form dips, it can be a double edged sword as on the surface it looks like he won’t adapt) finding technical beasts that also meet these requirements and fit within PSR is the issue it’s not that Howe doesn’t know how to use them. Wolte being a bit of an enigma as he came in as a striker when I personally believe in the PL he’s gonna have to be an AM/#10 more time and we couldnt adapt to that yet, which I think is fair although of course you could argue the money might have been better spent on a different player.
 

Up until a couple of months ago it was working and you’d have been singing the praises just like anyone else on here. Given a fresh summer and some better recruitment than last year there’s no reason at all we don’t come out firing next season using Howes tried and tested way. The age of the squad has to be lowered, and maybe we go through a bit of a transition next season along with that. 

 

 

Edited April 26 by Nine

[Nucasol]

1 hour ago, 500bhp said:

 

So chatting up a lass in a bar 'de value women'. Fucking hell, I've heard it all now 😳

 

Smash the Patriarchy.

[Whitley mag]

2 hours ago, r0cafella said:

It's one of those things whereby I can't help but disagree. Things stacked against him is over the top imo. 

 

I've mentioned it before but I'm not sure what people think the ceo would have done apart from sign off on any deals, he's not going to be persuading players that we are the place to be. 

 

In terms of the DOF what change would people expect if we somehow magically had someone other than Paul Mitchell? Most of what we bought were long term targets. 

 

With regards to our performance in the cups we achieved above par in the competition which matters the least. For the others we pretty much went out where I'd expect/in line with our budget.

 

And if we put all of this aside and agree to differ which is obviously fine, can someone explain to me the slop I watch week in week out? The same old predictable tactics, telegraphed subs and total lack of game management. 

 

We've spent a mind boggling money on a squad and we don't have a single player who can beat his man. 

Absolutely spot on.

 

He made active choices in the summer, he had the keys to bring in who he wanted, how many managers in the modern game have the input he has.

He chose to sign Elanga, he chose to sign Ramsey, instead of the young lad from Leicester, or even more grimly Fernandes from Southampton.

The only signing I would actually give him credit for at trying to raise the bar was Woltemade and because he doesn’t fit his system he’s been binned.

 

The Isak situation was shit but the level of fall off after the expenditure is hard to defend.

 

[La Parka]

Eddie looked so knackered yesterday.

 

Get some new eyes around you at least. This coaching side are out of ideas. 

[Froggy]

8 hours ago, dcmk said:

I don't think anyone wanted to play for Almiron, except Bruno F. Almiron was playing for the sack at the end.

 

The players all had a spring in their step and more fight when he left.  Their form is tailing off now - certainly performances, and if Carrick gets the gig permanently they will regret that next season.  Purple patch from a new manager bounce isn't the way for forward. 

 

Case in point us with Glenn Roeder.

 

No, this isn't true.

 

The players all played for Amorim. Mbeumo and Amad were far better under him and have been crap under Carrick. He rejuvenated Casemiro, Shaw and Maguire and brought through the likes of Heaven. He got rid of a lot of the negativity around the squad as well. Antony, Garnacho, Rashford etc. The slights against him were that he didn't play Mainoo and had Bruno too deep and they were valid criticisms. 

 

We had far more intensity under Amorim that what we do now, and I think the form is tailing off because Carrick is running reduced and less demanding training sessions and we're getting notably more sluggish. 

 

We were only a couple of points off 4th when Amorim was sacked. I still think Amorim would have got this right if he was given the time but you can't argue with the decision. 

 

Amorim is definitely a better manager than Carrick though. We've got away with murder under Carrick and there was a clear downwards trajectory in the quality of performances literally from day one of his tenure. We beat Arsenal 3-2 under Carrick, yet we played much better against them earlier in the season under Amorim and lost. I would say if you compared the two tenures we had more control in games under Amorim, but we didn't have a Sesko hot streak (injured) or Cunha banging in goals from outside the box with 0.1xG chances. 

 

I know some people hate stats, but if you actually compare some vital ones in Carricks first 12 games against Amorim's last 12 then it paints a bit of a picture. 

 

Under Amorim, we had a higher xG, lower xG against, more goals per game, more big chances created per game, more touches in opposition box per game and higher possession per game. 

 

The Grimsby game did untold damage to Amorim, and then it was clear the relationship with the board was going sour towards the end so he probably had to go. 

 

tl:dr, those suggesting to use us as an example why sacking Howe and getting someone else in would be successful, need to look at a bigger picture. Results don't always tell the full story.

 

Having watched us play over the last few months I think hiring Carrick would be a long term disaster and we simply cannot do it, but at this stage I think it's what is most likely. 

[Keegans Export]

22 minutes ago, Nine said:

Up until a couple of months ago it was working and you’d have been singing the praises just like anyone else on here. Given a fresh summer and some better recruitment than last year there’s no reason at all we don’t come out firing next season using Howes tried and tested way. The age of the squad has to be lowered, and maybe we go through a bit of a transition next season along with that. 

 

I'm not sure that's true. Our form over the past 12 months has us 13th. Extend it to the cup final and it's better (9th) but still below par. This is a past-couple-of-months thing, albeit the past month or so has been particularly bad.

[Chicken Dancer]

My biggest fear all along was that it turns nasty for him and I’m sorry to say that I think that fear will be realised next Saturday. 
 

For what it’s worth I think we were areet last night, a decent performance without really creating much. I suppose what I’m trying to say is I expected a lot worse. 
 

A rested Brighton who seemingly always save their best for us will be coming smelling blood, with Champions League qualification a real possibility for them. If we go down early it’ll turn imo.

 

 

Edited April 26 by Chicken Dancer

[Mills and Boon]

1 hour ago, Ilovetoon8788 said:

You see the reason he gave for Dan burn playing. Eddie is all about athletes and physicality. He can't know or play with technical players. 

 

What are you talking about? Hall has played loads of games for us. Did you forget about that or is it more convenient for you to ignore it? 

 

He picked Burn for this particular game and gave his reasons. You don't have to like it but let's not ignore reality just because it contradicts the point you want to make 

[Nine]

4 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

I'm not sure that's true. Our form over the past 12 months has us 13th. Extend it to the cup final and it's better (9th) but still below par. This is a past-couple-of-months thing, albeit the past month or so has been particularly bad.

We played the most games across the top five leagues in Europe this season until we exited the CL I believe, this makes for another conversation on how adaptable the current set up is during a busy schedule of course.. as it’s far from ideal. The flexibility isn’t there. 
 

There are definitely circumstances here, the Barca/Sunderland game is unfortunately where we went off a cliff but before that we were still

well within a European spot shout again.