Eddie Howe

[Kid Icarus]

Could have had a CEO and DoF

[Milburn]

4 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

We do adapt though.

 

I agree his in game management, including his substitutions have left a lot to be desired of late though.

I think we “adapt” in a very limited way.

 

It’s mostly tweaks within the same structure rather than genuine changes to shape or approach. The overall pattern stays the same, regardless of how the game is going.

 

Just look at how Iraola kept tweaking things throughout the game last week.  Howe isn’t even close.

[dcmk]

7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

But who bought those keepers and strikers?  This defence only works for a manager new in a job with someone else’s squad.  This is 100% Howe’s squad, and he’s not been getting a tune out of it for going on a year now 

How many times does the summer need to be explained?  It was a fuck up.  Yes Howe owns that.  He wanted many other players in those positions Mamardashvili, Trafford, Ekitike, Sesko, Mbeumo, list goes on and on. That convo has been done to death.

 

The players that were signed, it was them or no one. 

 

Do you think he's happy with those players right now? Considering he has changed his favoured 11 so many times, it suggests not.

 

 

Edited April 25 by dcmk

[dcmk]

3 minutes ago, Mountain said:

 

Could have spent over 200 million pounds on some decent selections.

Tried to.

 

They didn't sign.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, dcmk said:

How many times does the summer need to be explained?  It was a fuck up.  Yes Howe was owns that.  He wanted many other players in those positions Mamardashvili, Trafford, Ekitike, Sesko, Mbeumo, list goes on and on. That convo has been done to death.

 

The players that were signed, it was them or no one.

 

Do you think he's happy with those players right now? Considering he has changed his favoured 11 so many times, it suggests not.

The summer doesn’t need to be explained - this is entire squad, never mind last summer.  Every player at the club is there through Howe’s choice.  
 

And it wasn’t ’them or no-one’.  That’s frankly absurd.  You’re saying that for £55m we simply couldn’t have found another striker in world football?  Don’t be daft. 

[Kid Icarus]

On that point and just on the mention of Klopp earlier. Probably a point worth making that if Liverpool had been without a CEO and DoF in summer 2017 and Klopp was asked to step up, he'd have signed Bowen, not Salah.

[Heron]

7 minutes ago, dcmk said:

I don't agree with literally any of that.

 

Every manager has teams which will under perform at some point, it's not something that is unique to us or Howe. 

 

To say Howe is a momentum manager after 4 seasons of exceeding expectations, is quite extraordinary and disrespectful.

 

Considering you don't want him to continue after this season, you don't have a clue whether or not, he can turn it around.

 

Can you let me know who the next momentum manager is out there, so we ensure at least another season of success?

 

 

 

Nobody performs 100%, 100% of the time. Nothing at all does in fact.

 

Our players, or around about half of them, weren't running at 100% of their capability until Howe arrived. They've been running at 100% since (for the vast majority) and for the last 3 to 4 months folk are saying that enough is enough for Howe without him really having much chance to reinvigorate things.

 

I don't think that's right or fair personally.

 

Howe has exceeded expectations for all but this season and even in this "disappointing" season we've reached the semi final of the league cup, the last 16 of the champions league and knocked out by potential treble winners in Manchester City in the FA Cup.

 

Good heavens. Actually laughing in disbelief here.

 

 

Edited April 25 by Heron

[Alberto2005]

If he does stay next season I at the very least want us to sign some technical players and not a bunch of sprinters.

 

 

Edited April 25 by Alberto2005

[Holmesy]

1 minute ago, dcmk said:

I don't agree with literally any of that.

 

Every manager has teams which will under perform at some point, it's not something that is unique to us or Howe. 

 

To say Howe is a momentum manager after 4 seasons of exceeding expectations, is quite extraordinary and disrespectful.

 

Considering you don't want him to continue after this season, you don't have a clue whether or not, he can turn it around.

 

Can you let me know who the next momentum manager is out there, so we ensure at least another season of success?

 

 

 

Your second paragraph literally explains why he’s a momentum manager 😀

3.5 seasons of upward trend followed by one disaster, and now the momentum has stopped, he can’t get a tune out of the players (that he bought).

What do we have to go on as evidence that he can turn it around when the momentum stops? We have none. What evidence do we have that he can’t? Bournemouth. The situations are almost identical. 
 

[Yorkie]

If he does leave I really want the history books to record this season as one mainly to forget, and little more than that. It would be a tragedy for a bad end to undermine his incredible achievements here. I absolutely detest how he receives some of the same language that the likes of Pardew and Bruce got, just for having the temerity to not maintain the amazing pace we've kept since circa January 2022. 

 

I do appreciate that we are careening towards potentially one of our worst ever finishes. But if that does happen, it's only really because of a horrendous final chapter to the most grueling season in our history. Prior to the Barcelona/Mackems disaster, we were still talking about European qualification with very much a straight face. It certainly didn't feel like Armageddon after that win at Chelsea a whole four games ago. Just a mental season full of ups and downs.

 

If Eddie goes and we don't nail his successor, the Barca obliteration/Mackems surrender will go down as one of the most influential pairs of results in our modern history imo, up there with the likes of Partizan. Those defeats (mainly the way they were lost) murdered the season, flipping it from a mixed bag into something which cost the manager his job and set us on a different course. 

 

Whether he stays or goes in the summer, I'm at the point where I can accept either outcome. What I want more than anything is for the stinkcloud to clear, so he leaves without his reputation tarnished by one terrible run of form. We need our legends, man. 

[dcmk]

1 minute ago, Heron said:

Nobody performs 100%, 100% of the time. Nothing at all does in fact.

 

Our players, or around about half of them, weren't running at 100% of their capability until Howe arrived. They've been running at 100% since (for the vast majority) and only now that they aren't or can not folk are saying nigh on immediately that enough is enough for Howe.

 

I don't think that's right or fair personally.

 

Howe has exceeded expectations for all but this season and even in this "disappointing" season we've reached the semi final of the league cup, the last 16 of the champions league and knocked out by potential treble winners in Manchester City in the FA Cup.

 

Good heavens. Actually laughing in disbelief here.

 

 

 

Boggles my mind that he doesn't get more support on here. Or some benefit of the doubt.

 

You would think he has earned that much at least.  Some can't even be arsed to even respect him anymore.

[Thumbheed]

The 'I've got a winners mentality' types are the biggest melts in football. 

 

There's certainly a question mark on Howe's future on current form, but that should be answered next season.

 

He's has earned the right to have a bad season.

[Joe1984]

2 hours ago, Shearergol said:

Gullit and Bruce really weren’t successful like 

Bruce's job was to.make sure we didn't get relegated.

 

We never did under his tenure.

 

So I'm sure he considers himself a success... 😄

[dcmk]

Just now, Holmesy said:

Your second paragraph literally explains why he’s a momentum manager 😀

3.5 seasons of upward trend followed by one disaster, and now the momentum has stopped, he can’t get a tune out of the players (that he bought).

What do we have to go on as evidence that he can turn it around when the momentum stops? We have none. What evidence do we have that he can’t? Bournemouth. The situations are almost identical. 
 

'Momentum' isn't 3 and a half seasons.

[bobbydazzla]

21 minutes ago, dcmk said:

Well yeah, i agree and hope it's that way.  But his dismissal would set a weird precedent.

 

He undoubtedly deserves much more time and opportunity to fix the team so whoever succeeds him, no matter how well they do in their time here, it could be across many seasons and seeing us lift many cups, it will only take one prolonged stretch of poor results to lead us to run them out of town. 

 

There is no patience or nuance to any bad form, on this forum at least, wanting results yesterday.

In your opinion he undoubtedly deserves more time, in other people’s opinion he doesn’t.

 

History will decide whether Howe staying / leaving NUFC before the start of season 26/27 was a success / failure. 
 

No-one can accurately predict it, no matter how committed they are to their opinion.
 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 25 by bobbydazzla

[The Prophet]

Just now, Milburn said:

I think we “adapt” in a very limited way.

 

It’s mostly tweaks within the same structure rather than genuine changes to shape or approach. The overall pattern stays the same, regardless of how the game is going.

 

Just look at how Iraola kept tweaking things throughout the game last week.  Howe isn’t even close.

 

We've transformed massively since he took over.

 

To keep us he has us playing block and counter side.

 

For around two years, we were a high intensity pressing side who played high up the pitch.

 

Last season we became a hybrid between the two. We retained the man-to-man press but it was far less aggressive.

 

This season going by our shape on the ball, we've tried to transition to a more possession based side, we've just been rather shit in the execution. 

[lovejoy]

30 minutes ago, ianbeany said:

 

Hmmm fuck knows why I cant see it.  There's just one new post there for me that has nowt to do with Howe leaving

Click on replies 

[Holmesy]

4 minutes ago, dcmk said:

'Momentum' isn't 3 and a half seasons.

I didn’t realise you were the world’s leading authority on the word momentum. I stand corrected and bow to your higher expertise. 

 

 

Edited April 25 by Holmesy

[dcmk]

 

 

1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said:

In your opinion he undoubtedly deserves more time, in other people’s opinion he doesn’t.

 

History will decide whether Howe staying / leaving NUFC before the start of season 26/27 was a success / failure. 
 

No-one can accurately predict it, no matter how committed they are to their opinion.
 

 

 

 

 

 

If people stay patient we can find out for ourselves.

 

But a bad appointment can set us back how many seasons? 

[dcmk]

1 minute ago, Holmesy said:

I didn’t realise you were the world’s leading expert on the word momentum. I stand corrected and bow to your higher expertise. 

Who is the next best momentum manager around, can we bring them in? We need momentum.

 

Totally daft.

 

 

Edited April 25 by dcmk

[Holmesy]

1 minute ago, dcmk said:

Who is the next best momentum manager around, can we bring them in? We need momentum.

 

Totally daft.

 

 

 

😀

[Heron]

7 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

If he does stay next season I at the very least want us to sign some technical players and not a bunch of sprinters.

 

 

 

Woltemade and Thiaw and Ramsey are all technical players and not runners.

[ianbeany]

3 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

Click on replies 

 

Cheers.  Yeah I already found it and posted it on the previous page

[PauloGeordio]

Just now, Heron said:

Woltemade and Thiaw and Ramsey are all technical players and not runners.

Add Hall too.

[Menace]

31 minutes ago, ianbeany said:

Ah found it

 

 

 

Isn't this whooper some failed Geordie Shore guy?