Eddie Howe

[TRon]

21 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

He’s a grifting shitbag who shifts position to maximise monetisation. Get back to winning ways under Eddie next season and he’ll be begging harder than in those DMs to the lass.

 

I watched his last video and he says he has been calling this all season. It would be a hell of a climbdown to shift positions now. 

 

I think he signed off his last video with something along the lines of " to those who were having a go at me, I was fucking right and you were wrong"  

[Holmesy]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

 

"Polarised thinking doesn't help" 

 

Makes a false equivalence.

 

Calls other contributing factors "excuses".

 

Questions why be hasn't ripped up his entire managerial philosophy like it's a regular occurrence in football.

 

Discusses the clubs issues in reductive terms.

 

Howay man.

But it’s purely opinion based isn’t it because we’re not privy to all the facts. What some call excuses are given as mitigating circumstances depending on your personal view.

 

 

[TRon]

13 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Voted no. I desperately wanted to see green shoots but I'm not seeing them.

 

The thought of going again next season with no indication of a change of player profile and doing more of the same isnt for me. 

 

No issues with those who trust the process though, if anything I'm envious of them. 

 

 

I voted no as well. If the club backs him, then I will too, but I just see ordinary teams playing better football than we do now. There has to be a better way to utilise the players we've got than we're seeing. 

[Holmesy]

6 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

TBF Eddie knows his system inside out, he should target players for that, big Nick doesn't suit our system, if anything, the fact we didnt improve the squad in January might be proof that Howe has lost some control in that department 

Unfortunately, our opponents seem to know his system inside and out as well.

[El Prontonise]

Yes.

 

He's allowed to have a bad season and the clubs off the field issues last summer is mainly to blame for our season

 

But he has to start next season well.

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

I voted no as well. If the club backs him, then I will too, but I just see ordinary teams playing better football than we do now. There has to be a better way to utilise the players we've got than we're seeing. 

Absolutely, if he'd still in position I'll be wiping the slate clean and hoping we kick on. I will definitely have some anxiety over the summer though. Part of the reason I voted no is backing him with big transfer outlay and then sacking him part way through the season is pretty much worst case scenario for us. 

[Lotus]

1 minute ago, El Prontonise said:

Yes.

 

He's allowed to have a bad season and the clubs off the field issues last summer is mainly to blame for our season

 

But he has to start next season well.

Tbf, if you want him for the start of the season you should give him the whole season.

 

If things don’t look good after 4-5 games and the trigger’s pulled it’s more likely to be worse because of it than better. 

[TK-421]

9 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

What does evolution look like in this instance?

 

That isn't bad faith by the way, genuinely interested.

 

Trying different things... different tactics, formations, proactive substitutions, pick play players based on form/merit, not just because they are 'trusted'.

 

But he's already said he doesn't want to go to far away from the high intensity, athelticism in future, so I guess if he stays into next season, its potentially going to be more of this season, and hope the players he still has/are brought in can fit into his strategy, instead of adjusting and playing to the players strengths he has available.

[Ben]

4 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

Unfortunately, our opponents seem to know his system inside and out as well.

 

100%

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Quite a big variation in the poll, IIRC only about 20% were clearly Howe out in the last one. 

[Gallowgate Toon]

I don't think a system change is suddenly going make us amazing. It might be worth trying something else to close out the season though considering how wank our wingers are, all of our striking options need real support, and how dodgy we can be defensively.

 

Felt for a while that 3-5-2 might be the best bet for this current squad. Maybe 3-4-3. But then I inherently just don't like going 3 at the back for some reason so I don't know 

 

I just can't be arsed to see Elanga or Murphy on the right for Brighton. I'd honestly put Osula there above anyone else.

[Lotus]

Been wondering if our CL qualifications and winning the  cup was perhaps a bit more down to the quality of Isak than he’s given credit for and a bit less of the credit directed to Eddie.

 

Do think Eddie’s is amazing at man management but without an absolute unicorn at the point of attack the team looks less than ordinary.

 

Maybe some truth to that but also loads of other smaller factors that can tip the balance if they go for or against you 

[Zero]

I think everyone got to understand if we continue like this despite spending a fortune this summer, we will relegate next season.

[TRon]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Quite a big variation in the poll, IIRC only about 20% were clearly Howe out in the last one. 

 

 

I switched my vote in the last poll as well, a couple of weeks ago, after the loss to Palace I think. 

[Gallowgate Toon]

Just now, Lotus said:

Been wondering if our CL qualifications and winning the  cup was perhaps a bit more down to the quality of Isak than he’s given credit for and a bit less of the credit directed to Eddie.

 

Do think Eddie’s is amazing at man management but without an absolute unicorn at the point of attack the team looks less than ordinary.

 

Maybe some truth to that but also loads of other smaller factors that can tip the balance if they go for or against you 

Wilson was our main striker when we finished 4th though. A very good striker, absolutely, but not a unicorn.

[TheEntertainer]

I'd guess a fair few people don't bother updating so some of the old poll will have been people's views from a couple of months back or whenever it was put up

[The Prophet]

14 minutes ago, TK-421 said:

 

Trying different things... different tactics, formations, proactive substitutions, pick play players based on form/merit, not just because they are 'trusted'.

 

But he's already said he doesn't want to go to far away from the high intensity, athelticism in future, so I guess if he stays into next season, its potentially going to be more of this season, and hope the players he still has/are brought in can fit into his strategy, instead of adjusting and playing to the players strengths he has available.

 

Fair.

 

To be honest, I don't think you'll find many managers, at least good ones, that don't have a broad set of principles and a style of play they stick too.

 

I won't go into it again, but Howe has evolved this side a couple of times over. I do believe he's tried again this sesson, but the execution has been poor.

 

I do agree his selections have seemingly become more desperate and the rigidty of his substitutions are frustrating. I'm far more concerned by how poor we've looked in both boxes (partially a personal issue), as well as how brittle we've becomeas opposed to stylistic issues. Whether it's Howe at the helm or not, you fix those issues with new signings and time on the training ground.

 

 

Edited April 26 by The Prophet

[TRon]

4 minutes ago, Lotus said:

Been wondering if our CL qualifications and winning the  cup was perhaps a bit more down to the quality of Isak than he’s given credit for and a bit less of the credit directed to Eddie.

 

Do think Eddie’s is amazing at man management but without an absolute unicorn at the point of attack the team looks less than ordinary.

 

Maybe some truth to that but also loads of other smaller factors that can tip the balance if they go for or against you 

 

 

Just look at the difference in Murphy when he doesn't have Isak to convert every cross into a goal. He looks hopeless. 

 

In previous seasons, whenever Bruno or Isak were missing, it had a massive impact on our results. 

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, Lotus said:

Been wondering if our CL qualifications and winning the  cup was perhaps a bit more down to the quality of Isak than he’s given credit for and a bit less of the credit directed to Eddie.

 

Do think Eddie’s is amazing at man management but without an absolute unicorn at the point of attack the team looks less than ordinary.

 

Maybe some truth to that but also loads of other smaller factors that can tip the balance if they go for or against you 

Also our approach was ahead of the curve when he first joined. The first 4th season was largely with Wilson up top.  
 

Teams have clocked us a bit and we haven’t evolved.  I don’t think we need massive changes (well to me). Like I always thought he wanted a 10 type player this year just to evolve the team a bit. Sometimes go 4231. Play it through the lines offensively a bit more.  But nope, none of that. 
 

Massively we haven’t added any new tricks to the team for some time. Tonali gave us a new dimension.  Murphy to Isak was a goldmine. As good as Thiaw has been - we’ve felt the loss of Schar’s ball progression.  Hall is great but he doesn’t progress the ball with passing the way Trippier did.  Ramsey offers less overall than a roaring Joelinton etc.  

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Fair.

 

To be honest, I don't think you'll find many managers, at least good ones, that don't have a broad set of principles and a style of play they stick too.

 

I won't go into it again, but Howe has evolved this side a couple of times over. I do believe he's tried again this sesson, but the execution has been poor.

 

I do agree his selections have seemingly become more desperate and the rigidty of his substitutions are frustrating. I'm far more concerned by how poor we've looked in both boxes (partially a personal issue), as well as how brittle we've becomeas opposed to stylistic issues. Whether it's Howe at the helm or not, you fix those issues with new signings and time on the training ground.

 

 

 

To my eyes the possession play in the middle and final third against a set defence is the same. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

8 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

I switched my vote in the last poll as well, a couple of weeks ago, after the loss to Palace I think. 

 

Yeah, I've gone from 'still the man' to 'unhappy but give more time', but there was only one of the previous options that were clearly sack now, 22% I think.

[The College Dropout]

You can tell he hasn’t evolved us much because we all know how to beat us.  
 

Withstand early flurry. Give them the ball.  At some point they will run out of ideas and self destruct.  Once you get in front. Sit off, win your duels and kill them on the break. 

 

 

Edited April 26 by The College Dropout

[AyeDubbleYoo]

10 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Fair.

 

To be honest, I don't think you'll find many managers, at least good ones, that don't have a broad set of principles and a style of play they stick too.

 

I won't go into it again, but Howe has evolved this side a couple of times over. I do believe he's tried again this sesson, but the execution has been poor.

 

I do agree his selections have seemingly become more desperate and the rigidty of his substitutions are frustrating. I'm far more concerned by how poor we've looked in both boxes (partially a personal issue), as well as how brittle we've becomeas opposed to stylistic issues. Whether it's Howe at the helm or not, you fix those issues with new signings and time on the training ground.

 

 

 

 

I think our signings were meant to be more technical than the players they were meant to replace as well. Elanga > Murphy, Ramsey > Joelinton and Thiaw/Botman is overall very good on the ball. And of course Woltemade. Could even include the GKs we went for to replace Pope.

 

Just the fact so few players have performed well and now our confidence is shot (plus injuries etc). So Howe has decided to lean back on a pressing forward and the likes of Joelinton which is more in keeping with the previous style.

 

I do think he wants us to play with the ball more, in theory at least. 

 

 

Edited April 26 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Mikky]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

You can tell he hasn’t evolved us because we all know how to beat us.  
 

Withstand early flurry. Give them the ball.  At some point they will run out of ideas and self destruct.  Once you get in front. Sit off, win your duels and kill them on the break. 

If we concede the exact same goal to Brighton next week for the X game in a row against them  …..

[Geordie Ahmed]

32 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

Yes.

 

He's allowed to have a bad season and the clubs off the field issues last summer is mainly to blame for our season

 

But he has to start next season well.

 

This is exactly my position

 

It's been a shit season (in the league, the cups were good but I get that unless you win the cups people forget about them)

 

A lot of the reasons (what some see as excuses) should be removed this summer so important we see an improvement next season, if we don't then I'd switch to saying his time is up