Eddie Howe

[Mills and Boon]

15 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Really?  
 

Holier than thou, smug, condescending. All ties into sanctimonious. 
 

Hence why I found that last line amusing. 
 

The ironing is delicious etc. 

 

My original post wasn't any of that though, so if anyone thinks it is they must not know the meaning of the word, Shirley?

 

Edit: apparently knowing the meaning of words, using them accurately and pointing out when they aren't is enough to be labeled as sanctimonious. Strange times 

 

 

Edited April 29 by Mills and Boon

[AyeDubbleYoo]

3 hours ago, cubaricho said:

The players don’t have the desire to turn it around unfortunately. They’ve checked out for the season since we got dumped from the CL and aren’t getting relegated. 
 

(and is exactly the reason I don’t give a fuck if he doesn’t “turn it around before the end of the season” like a lot of people are hanging their hats on)

 

I doubt much depends on the last few results really, much more on the discussions with PIF this week. 
 

I do want a win to settle the place down mind. 

[Dokko]

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

I don't think anyone would ever wants us to actively lose, but the absolute glee some take in getting stuck into the manager, the players and fellow fans after defeat is undeniable. 

 

I do remember wanting us to lose under Bruce. Think a few did Tbf.

[Lush Vlad]

1 minute ago, Dokko said:

 

I do remember wanting us to lose under Bruce. Think a few did Tbf.

Yeah. I did under Pardew, Carver and Bruce  

 

Dark times. 

[Kid Icarus]

We were all Ashley accelerationists under Pardew

[Dokko]

11 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

My view keeps changing, after every defeat lately I feel we need a change, then in the build up to the next game, I’m thinking he should stay 

 

This is me. Proper yo yo. Either way I'll see the positives and the negatives should he go. 

 

That said, I'd be quite happy for the club to get him to sign a new deal, put to bed any doubt going into the summer. If they are serious about him, then this is the best move they could make.

[HaydnNUFC]

6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Don't think it's having it both ways if a case of player motivation and the circumstances are very different. One is a situation where the motivation is winning a final and another where the motivation is a slim chance of Europe and a World Cup to stay fit and injury free for coming very soon.

 

That's before getting onto loads of the players not being the same from last season, and whose left too.

 

For my sins making it sound as basic as possible (which it isn't), players' performances are directly the manager's responsibility; making sure they are motivated, executing game plans, are working on things in training and changing things up when they aren't going swell. The performances of the two are intrinsically linked. At the very least two of those four things we look to be falling short on based on what's being served up on the park. He's been rightly praised for what has been achieved in previous seasons for getting those things right. Absolving him of this but shifting blame onto the players that he picks, whom getting to perform is his remit, I just find an incredibly flimsy cop out for him like I would for any manager.

[1881]

For me, in his latest interviews, he comes across as someone who feels incredibly let down.

 

Let down by the club because of the way in which the Eales and Mitchell situations were mis-handled and contributed significantly to a disastrous summer. Quite possibly because of how the Isak situation was handled. Almost certainly because they keep publicly stating unrealistic ambitions which put unfair pressure on him and give fans false expectations.

 

And let down by some players too who are not putting in the effort he would expect or deciding they have become bigger than the club.

 

 

[cubaricho]

15 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I doubt much depends on the last few results really, much more on the discussions with PIF this week. 
 

I do want a win to settle the place down mind. 

I definitely hope so. 

[TRon]

6 minutes ago, 1881 said:

For me, in his latest interviews, he comes across as someone who feels incredibly let down.

 

Let down by the club because of the way in which the Eales and Mitchell situations were mis-handled and contributed significantly to a disastrous summer. Quite possibly because of how the Isak situation was handled. Almost certainly because they keep publicly stating unrealistic ambitions which put unfair pressure on him and give fans false expectations.

 

And let down by some players too who are not putting in the effort he would expect or deciding they have become bigger than the club.

 

 

 

I think the public expectation of a European place wasn't unfair pressure tbh. We've been spending heavily since he got here, no one does that without expecting results to match. It's not like he was being asked to qualify for CL every season. 

[Kid Icarus]

9 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

For my sins making it sound as basic as possible (which it isn't), players' performances are directly the manager's responsibility; making sure they are motivated, executing game plans, are working on things in training and changing things up when they aren't going swell. The performances of the two are intrinsically linked. At the very least two of those four things we look to be falling short on based on what's being served up on the park. He's been rightly praised for what has been achieved in previous seasons for getting those things right. Absolving him of this but shifting blame onto the players that he picks, whom getting to perform is his remit, I just find an incredibly flimsy cop out for him like I would for any manager.

You've sidestepped the point I was making mind. 

[1881]

Just now, TRon said:

 

I think the public expectation of a European place wasn't unfair pressure tbh. We've been spending heavily since he got here, no one does that without expecting results to match. It's not like he was being asked to qualify for CL every season. 

I was really referring to be challenging for the title in 2030

[HaydnNUFC]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

You've sidestepped the point I was making mind. 

 

I think you missed the one I was making also, like. Which is resentment of the general defense of 'Howe achieved good thing X (be that a cup or CL) but it's the players fault that we have been shite this season', implying Howe has no fault for the reprehensible league season this year but the great things achieved is seasons gone by was all Howe.

 

 

Edited April 29 by HaydnNUFC

[TRon]

2 minutes ago, 1881 said:

I was really referring to be challenging for the title in 2030

 

I mean no one really takes that sort of talk seriously. It's just the type of big talk you get across the Atlantic. Aim high and all that shit. 

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, HaydnNUFC said:

 

I think you missed the one I was making also, like. Resentment of the general defense of 'Howe achieved good thing X (be that a cup or CL) but it's the players fault that we have been shite this season', implying Howe has no fault for the reprehensible league season this year. 

That wasn't the point that you were responding to, it was that the players don't have the desire to turn it around now, not that they're to blame for the entire season. No one said that and I doubt anyone would.

[1881]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

I mean no one really takes that sort of talk seriously. It's just the type of big talk you get across the Atlantic. Aim high and all that shit. 

Unfortunately I think a vocal minority do and expect year-on-year progress/improvement as a result 

[HaydnNUFC]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

That wasn't the point that you were responding to, it was that the players don't have the desire to turn it around now, not that they're to blame for the entire season. No one said that and I doubt anyone would.

 

That falls under the manager's remit also for me, which suggests they aren't playing for him. I don't think it's true that they aren't, mind.

 

 

Edited April 29 by HaydnNUFC

[Kid Icarus]

4 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

That falls under the manager's remit also for me, which suggests they aren't playing for him. I don't think it's true that they aren't, mind.

 

 

 

It does, my point is just that player motivation specifically for a cup final and CL push is very different (and easier) than player motivation in our current circumstances. They almost couldn't be any more different in fact.

 

 

Edited April 29 by Kid Icarus

[Stuy_O]

3 hours ago, dcmk said:

Hardly-I have previously said if we are struggling at the start of the season, then it's time to freshen it up.

 

Now is way too early, imo. Since we haven't given him a single chance to fix the glaring issues in the team in a transfer window.

 

 

I doubt we’ll fix them all in one window. 
 

If we fail to sign a creative midfield player in the summer, very little will change. 
 

That and a GK should be priority 

[Mattoon]

I think its fair to say that both Howe and the players are responsible for both the good and the bad, ultimately Howe can give them all the tools necessary to perform on the pitch and get those results but he can't put the ball in the net or prevent it going in ours. Of course he's not innocent in our current malaise but hes also been let down by the players, these two things are not mutually exclusive.

 

To say the CL qualification and/or the cup win was attributed to him so the current form has to be too is not constructive, just as much as saying he is the one that won us the cup or got us CL qualification, neither are true.

 

He will always be remembered as the manager who brought us those things and ended our trophy drought but let's not pretend that players such as Bruno and Burn haven't taken their rightful plaudits or aren't being held in the same esteem for those wins too, so players should also shoulder responsibility for the current form we're seeing.

 

Its not as black and white as Howe won us the cup but the players are responsible now, both have differing responsibilities for both things.

 

 

Edited April 30 by Mattoon

[cubaricho]

10 hours ago, HaydnNUFC said:

Can’t have it both ways by saying Howe is the one who won us a trophy and got CL but it’s the players phoning it in now for the reason we’re still garbage and in the position we’re in what is soon to be May. Either give one the entire credit/criticism for both or neither.

If I ever feel that way I’ll let you know. 

[Ben]

8 hours ago, 1881 said:

For me, in his latest interviews, he comes across as someone who feels incredibly let down.

 

Let down by the club because of the way in which the Eales and Mitchell situations were mis-handled and contributed significantly to a disastrous summer. Quite possibly because of how the Isak situation was handled. Almost certainly because they keep publicly stating unrealistic ambitions which put unfair pressure on him and give fans false expectations.

 

And let down by some players too who are not putting in the effort he would expect or deciding they have become bigger than the club.

 

 

 

I agree with this and its the reason I think he deserves another season, i think the club will wait until thos season is complete though cos if he loses the next 4 games that will change significantly 

[r0cafella]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7239771/2026/04/30/newcastle-data-eddie-howe-analysis/

 

For the nerds. 

[Lush Vlad]

7 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

It does, my point is just that player motivation specifically for a cup final and CL push is very different (and easier) than player motivation in our current circumstances. They almost couldn't be any more different in fact.

 

 

 

That’s true. But what about staying motivated to keep Howe in a job? I know some have an eye on a transfer and/or the world cup. But if they are still onside, if they respect the manager and they are still buying into what Howe wants. You would have thought they would still be running through brick walls for him? 
 

I know it wasn’t really the discussion. But I have seen it mentioned plenty of times. FWIW, I don’t really buy that they have downed tools. Some seem to have and before Arsenal I was starting to think they had. 
 

Even though I thought we were crap at Arsenal. I don’t think they had stopped playing or trying. Not in the same way the likes of the Chelsea players had packed in under Rosenior. 

I think it is more a culmination of many factors. The main ones being how we still set up in games and that we have been lacking a clinical goal scorer all season. For almost the first time since Howe’s been here. 

 

 

[bobbydazzla]

9 hours ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

Dunno about that mind. I've a lot more time for people looking at positives, reacting rationally and taking a rough patch in their stride than I have for the folk bumping this thread the instant we concede a goal.

 

That's what being a fan is about, taking the bad times with the good. Not spitting the dummy on the Internet at the earliest opportunity, getting proven wrong by the manager and the lads and then grinding your axe for the rest of his tenure, letting everyone know you've got a massive chip on your shoulder 

Being a fan is also about not burying your head in the sand saying “everything will be OK”.

 

Most of the people being negative are concerned about a long run of consistent poor performances and questioning the future of the manager who has overseen that long run of consistent poor performances.

 

That doesn’t make someone any less of a fan than the ones who think Eddie Howe can definitely fix the problems and get us back on track. 

 

 

Edited April 30 by bobbydazzla