Eddie Howe

[Kid Icarus]

5 minutes ago, Weezertron said:

I’ve been reluctant to say it, but I’ve thought for a while that there is a lot of similarities between the staunch Howe in lot and MAGA. So yeah, a reluctance to admit that Howe must improve. 

 Not biting. 

[Theregulars]

23 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Plenty, but the best examples are two of the best managers. Guardiola and Klopp.

Ok that’s good, sounds like not farfetched to think he can turn it around 

[Zero]

45 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

I understand where you’re coming from with a massive BUT…

 

…we created next to nothing in that 4-2-3-1 (which actually looked more like a 4-4-2 to me). All the talk on here at half time was how toothless we were. You know fine well how livid people would have been if it ended 0-0.

 

He made the changes necessary to see us create another few clear cut chances. We scored one of them. So it was the right decision.

 

Now I can understand why you might then say he should’ve moved back to it after we scored, but that’s all hindsight. We didn’t look like conceding until that one moment of quality from Anderson.

 

 

 

No, I swear to God I won’t complain if it ended up 0-0 but we sticked to that 4231. I didnt think we created next to nothing anyway. Wolte has been hit and miss but he did create two chances, one to Murphy and one to Osula. That’s more than acceptable if we kept the other side of the pitch tight and firm. Boring? May be. Solid? Definitely.

 

You have to accept one thing at the very least: the Plan A / 433 doesn’t work well in defence, and that’s why we lose 27 points from a leading position. If you don’t agree with this we might just end the discussion here.

 

Going back to that 433 is never a right decision.  I know you are blaming the players for the failure instead of admitting this 433 no longer work. I ain’t, or I can’t, considering the quality of players of our opponents.

[Weezertron]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

 Not biting. 

 I wish I was joking like. That’s why I’ve not said owt. FWIW I don’t think they’re cunts, like MAGA are. 

[TBG]

Arsenal probs don't win the league if Howe wins both games against them.

[LFEE]

31 minutes ago, Pilko said:

 

That's what our manager is paid handsomely to figure out, not me. But we've been pissing away late goals since August regularly and he hasn't found an answer.

 

I don't understand what you're interrogating here. The manager has spoken at length dozens of times about lack of training time and too many games at once being one of his biggest issues, which I can understand and to an extent accept. He's now had a three week gap for internationals followed by a week between each game, and yet the same problems with our play exist and don't look like getting any better. I don't know why me questioning what he's doing with that time he's cried out for is such a controversial thing to do.

 

EDIT: And in the case of Forest and Palace, two sides who'd just played Thursday night themselves with plenty of players missing on the Sunday and we generated one point from six in those games, despite the time on the training pitch he cited as being a big factor.

 

 

 

I made it clear my point. What would extra training time do to stop today’s goal 

 

Nowt!

 

Opposition teams do score goals you know.

[Keggy_Keagal]

I hope he can turn it around , but it just seems like Brenda Rogers at the end of his Liverpool days.

[Si67]

Just now, LFEE said:

I made it clear my point. What would extra training time do to stop today’s goal 

 

Nowt!

 

Opposition teams do score goals you know.

Maybe a right footed defender would have helped?

[PauloGeordio]

33 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

Sorry pal, I’ll keep things more simple for you in future.

 

If you try hammering a nail with your wrong hand and keep smashing your thumb, would you change to your other hand or keep doing the same thing that injured you?

 

And no, I’m not suggesting we should play football with hammers. 

That’s next week 

 

 

Edited May 10 by PauloGeordio

[Pilko]

2 minutes ago, LFEE said:

I made it clear my point. What would extra training time do to stop today’s goal 

 

Nowt!

 

Opposition teams do score goals you know.

 

Yeah I know, we've seen that in 21 out of the last 22 games but obviously it's not the managers fault for any of them in your eyes.

[Mills and Boon]

We've seen loads of right footed left backs over the years. Can't think of many left footed right backs?

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, Mills and Boon said:

We've seen loads of right footed left backs over the years. Can't think of many left footed right backs?

Tino

[andycap]

2 hours ago, Shadow Puppets said:

Oh good… this thread is a wonderful place after a draw in which we were comfortably the better team for 90% of the game.

 

We know what the majority of our problems are. We know that they’re not likely to improve without a transfer window.

 

Eddie’s still the man… just need the summer and a big reset / phase 2 to begin.

I'd say the majority of the problems is Howe still been there. Same tired old tactics same tired old subs. 

He's had a window to improve us unshackled and fucked it up. 

[Mills and Boon]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

Tino

[CallumG6]

All teams move on from managers who’ve look to have hit a ceiling.

 

Prime example was Roberto Mancini in the early City days, although he finished 2nd in his last season and got to the FA Cup final, they still moved him on as they knew he’d reached his ceiling.

 

Time will tell, but feels less and less likely he’ll turn it around, or even be in charge next season. 
 

Happy to be wrong mind, love Eddie and everything he’s done.

[UncleBingo]

1 hour ago, Mountain said:

 

Drum up whatever snide angle you like, we play dull football and have done for a long time.

Aw man, you should have said that the entertainment wasn't up to your standards, that changes everything. I mean I remember going up and down the A1 in the back of a Luton van in the 80's/90's and thinking 'we'd bloody better see some decent football today' ⚽️ 

[huss9]

40 minutes ago, vexred said:

 

Anyone watching could see Bruno needed to be subbed 10-15 mins prior. He was moving in slow motion. That's on Howe. Hall being at RB is also on Howe. Utterly preventable. 

we were screaming for those changes.

bruno off, tripps on.

[LFEE]

14 minutes ago, Pilko said:

 

Yeah I know, we've seen that in 21 out of the last 22 games but obviously it's not the managers fault for any of them in your eyes.

Well he ain’t on the pitch 

 

Yes setups etc can play a part but by and large this season the fault has been on the individual players. As was today’s.

 

So for one last time… what training would’ve prevented today’s? 

[Pilko]

Just now, LFEE said:

Well he ain’t on the pitch 

 

Yes setups etc can play a part but by and large this season the fault has been on the individual players. As was today’s.

 

So for one last time… what training would’ve prevented today’s? 

 

And for one last time -  that's for the manager to figure out - in bold for the hard of thinking. And he hasn't, clearly.

 

1 clean sheet in 22 isn't just individual errors and bad luck, it's hard data that points to an inability to set a team up mentally, physically or organisationally from a defensive perspective. If you're going to say it's not his fault cos he's not on the pitch then fine, but it's where I tap out of this conversation as it just shows you'll not have Howe take blame for anything.

[Weezertron]

4 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Well he ain’t on the pitch 

 

Yes setups etc can play a part but by and large this season the fault has been on the individual players. As was today’s.

 

So for one last time… what training would’ve prevented today’s? 

Can play a part? You’re grossly downplaying the influence of tactics and set up like. I don’t mean that just in relation to Howe, I just mean in football generally. 

[Dembacha]

25 minutes ago, andycap said:

I'd say the majority of the problems is Howe still been there. Same tired old tactics same tired old subs. 

He's had a window to improve us unshackled and fucked it up. 

His subs got us the goal.

[TRon]

1 minute ago, Dembacha said:

His subs got us the goal.

 

 

That is true. They also highlighted the lack of technique and nous we had on the pitch before them. 

[Holmesy]

5 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Well he ain’t on the pitch 

 

Yes setups etc can play a part but by and large this season the fault has been on the individual players. As was today’s.

 

So for one last time… what training would’ve prevented today’s? 

It's such a weird take - we've lost more points from winning positions that any other team this season, and have what, 1 clean sheet in 22 games. But yeah, it's down to individual players. Seriously?!  Strange that is seems to happen regardless of which players are on the pitch isn't it.

And t's not for us to say what training would prevent this alarming trend because we're not football coaches. More of a focus of ball retention, shit-housing and defensive shape would be a start. Or ask the analysis department to study every late goal we've conceded (shouldn't be hard, there are fucking loads of them), understand the correlation between them (fatigue, too many men forward etc), and then focus training around doing something different to stop it happening again. 

 

And if that's already being done, it points to a poor job being done in trying to stop it. 

 

[joeyt]

1 hour ago, LFEE said:

That would be structure and shape. This was just one if not two individual errors. Bruno due to probably fatigue and not tracking the run fully and Hall being slow to closing/blocking the shot though in his defence he’d just been clattered moments earlier.

 

What’s would you’ve trained better?

 

I really don't think it's much of a stretch that we could have used the last few weeks of training to stop conceding late goals but it's exactly the same

 

The Sunderland game was awful however if we're being kind we'd had a grueling away game to Barcelona a few days earlier. We then had 3 weeks off(!) and did the exact same thing against a reserve Palace team. A week later we did the same against Bournemouth. We were fortunate Minteh missed a sitter otherwise it could have happened against Brighton. And it did happen again today

 

We're just doing the same thing as we've done all season. Making subs late or not trying anything new. For all of Elanga's faults we could have at least put him or Gordon on today to try and give us an out ball just to do something different rather than watching old man Wissa walk around up front. Or put Trippier on for Hall who was struggling. Or go to a back 5 which we did relatively succesfully against Brighton (still feel that Minteh miss has saved us mind). If it's a mental thing then bring in a psychologist. 

 

27 points dropped from winning positions all season  - that doesn't include blowing leads against Marseille, Leverkusen and Barcelona.

 

The issue is we don't seem to be learning at all. That saying about the definition of madness doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result

[Novocastrian]

1 hour ago, Weezertron said:

Am I the only Howe inner that will admit that he needs to do something to reinvent himself? 

I would be more inclined to give him a chance if I thought he could feasibly do this but the best we can hope for is exactly the same approach again with three or four new players.