Andy Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 2 minutes ago, astraguy said: 5 points off Europe is nothing get a grip ffs, Sir Fergie finshed 13th twice without being in the cl On the first part, that's ignoring the fact that this was an extremely easy Europe to qualify for, as evidenced by the teams that have achieved it. On the second, comparing eras is pointless. It's been a vastly underwhelming league season and there's no other way of dressing that up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 6 minutes ago, Nedders said: Sometimes I think in football it just is what it is. Like games where you just know in your bones we're not going to score, or in the case of Wissa where you just know the No9 is completely wrong. We've all experienced that among us over the years, good and bad, it's more of just a sense than reasoned or rational. We're there with Howe. It's - to my mind - blatantly obvious we've reached the end of the road. The Barca battering was it. He'd made stupid, unfathomable decisions in the build-up (playing a 1st eleven vs CarrierBag in the 2nd leg was absolutely absurd) and it was long apparent that we needed to freshen up the approach but once we got completely humbled, the answers, the application, the fabric that made us who we are evaporated completely. What followed was players just not buying what Howe was selling and it's fairly easy to see the likes of Gordon, Tonali and others just downing tools. This is not a team that needs new Howe players; this is a team that needs a new direction. Howe has demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that he cannot influence that. And he's had an incredible run, over 5 years is a lifetime in football management but that we have repeated the issues of two years ago cannot be overlooked and we're now saddled with a squad 7th at everything (value, wages, revenue) but finishing 12th, its miles away from good enough. Sunderland in the Europa is a sickener. As I said at the start of this, you just 'know'. Most should surely realise Howe's not coming back from this. Sadly, I don't know that our owners get it. If it were me, I'd have been asking him to step down and giving him the right send off long before now and planning for a future with Iraola, Seb Hoeness or going big like Insaghi or Motta. It's the end of the road, but unfortunately those in power haven't worked that out yet. Fantastic post, absolutely spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) 17 minutes ago, astraguy said: 5 points off Europe is nothing get a grip ffs, Sir Fergie finshed 13th twice without being in the cl This seasons been utter shit. That Ferguson season (only happened once and they won the cup that year) was utter shit and was pointed out and acknowledged as such at the time with his job famously on the line by the FA Cup game. Edited May 24 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 11 minutes ago, Milburn said: Which fanbases in the top six wouldn’t be screaming for the manager’s head after finishing in the bottom half, collapsing repeatedly and sleepwalking through huge parts of the season? Are we top six like? A lot of us seem to think that we're top six and part of the established elite now. We've only been top six twice in a decade and I'm sure I don't need to extend the chart to the left for people to realise that it's a bit of an outlier position for us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) What is a football manager if not a problem solver? He isn't the first manager to lose his star player, have players in his squad with one foot out the door, juggle multiple competitions and navigate injuries. He hasn't been pragmatic or creative in circumnavigating any of the obstacles thrown at us this season, instead it's the same tired, predictable boneheaded tactics that is easy for the whole league to nullify. Sticking with him for next year will haunt us. Edited May 24 by Moose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Can tell we have lost today. 7/8 new pages in an hour. Super glad the season is done. Need a bit of an overhaul with this team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Just now, Andy said: On the first part, that's ignoring the fact that this was an extremely easy Europe to qualify for, as evidenced by the teams that have achieved it. On the second, comparing eras is pointless. It's been a vastly underwhelming league season and there's no other way of dressing that up. It was the transfer window that fucked us,if we fucked isak off asap and got the forwards HE wanted it would of been way different Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) 9 minutes ago, astraguy said: 5 points off Europe is nothing get a grip ffs, Sir Fergie finshed 13th twice without being in Edited May 24 by Danh1 Please delete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 1 minute ago, OpenC said: Are we top six like? A lot of us seem to think that we're top six and part of the established elite now. We've only been top six twice in a decade and I'm sure I don't need to extend the chart to the left for people to realise that it's a bit of an outlier position for us Were supposed to be best of the rest with Villa. They're there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 16 minutes ago, andycap said: We got beat off Sunderland Bournemouth Fulham Palace arsenal and drew against forest in our champions league qualifying run in. That's with one game a week wheres the fight the desire the improvement to get there? He has done nothing but piss about post international break - baffling line ups - baffling positional acumen - baffling tactics - not so baffling performances Tossed away a chance of Europe It’s 4-3-3 or nothing with him - there is no way we will ever be a possession based team under him - he doesn’t know how to implement it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 1 minute ago, astraguy said: It was the transfer window that fucked us,if we fucked isak off asap and got the forwards HE wanted it would of been way different Which ones? All the players who clearly didn’t want to come here like Joao Pedro, Sesko etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milburn Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 4 minutes ago, OpenC said: Are we top six like? A lot of us seem to think that we're top six and part of the established elite now. We've only been top six twice in a decade and I'm sure I don't need to extend the chart to the left for people to realise that it's a bit of an outlier position for us Top 6-8 is probably the natural level for us right now. But my point still stands. No other fanbase with our trajectory over the last few years, and with the amount of money spent, would broadly accept finishing 12th without huge pressure building on the manager. Most clubs with serious ambitions would be calling for change after a season like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 2 minutes ago, astraguy said: It was the transfer window that fucked us,if we fucked isak off asap and got the forwards HE wanted it would of been way different Again, there is a world in between who we failed to get, to who we ended up with. Just because we didn’t get Pedro etc, didn’t mean we had to end up with Wissa and Wolt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 4 minutes ago, dcmk said: Can tell we have lost today. 7/8 new pages in an hour. Super glad the season is done. Need a bit of an overhaul with this team. Hopefully you’ll change your profile pic for the new season. Please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Such a shy team, reluctant to cross, unable to keep posession and assert themselves over the tempo of a game, passing backwards constantly, shying away from taking defenders on. It's just bad football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Again, there is a world in between who we failed to get, to who we ended up with. Just because we didn’t get Pedro etc, didn’t mean we had to end up with Wissa and Wolt. It was about as well thought out as some of our formations this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Backroom staff need new ideas as well. Firstly the bloody set piece coach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedders Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 8 minutes ago, vexred said: https://x.com/i/status/2058596003499176089 Jamie Reuben Seems fairly safe to say a large portion of the support recognise where we are, from the replies on there - but unfortunately the glacial pace at which Saudi's operate is going to see the club persevere with Howe and I think a Summer of the club chasing relegated players is going to set us back even further. I'd ask a genuine question - if you look back at squads and players over the years, think about the likes of Cole, Beardo, Shearer, Les, Daveed, Bellamy, Batty, Lee, Cabaye, Tiote, Colo, Given and more - how do you feel about this manager and these players? I really struggle to have a connection with a lot of them aside from maybe Bruno and the younger lads like Miley, Thiaw and Hall. The entire front '6' are poor ambassadors for the club and the shirt they wear. It's just not a very likeable squad Howe's pulled together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 I've said ever since public opinion started to shift post-Barca/Derby that I was going to see how the final 7 games played out. Few injuries, plenty of time to train, fairly standard set of fixtures. I wanted to see some evidence that, at the very least, he can get a team playing fairly well once per week. I also hoped for some evidence of some variance in our patterns of play and anything to suggest that next season won't just be a case of "Try the same thing again with a few new players". We've got 7 points from those games and ended up where we started (12th). I haven't seen today's game but there doesn't seem to be much to be encouraged by and it seems that the most recent source of positivity is a good run of results over a year ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 One thing that scares me about Eddie, is that he really thinks playing the likes of Murphy in any position, and shoehorning Burn into the team, is good for the team because of their "leadership". They're always straight back into the first team so quickly, after a brief exclusion when they're struggling. Burn should be backup/rotation for Botman and that is it. Murphy should not be starting games anymore and certainly not at the end of the season that is a write off, and the manager is supposed to be figuring stuff out for next season, he should be on his way out the door. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC91 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) 17 minutes ago, astraguy said: 5 points off Europe is nothing get a grip ffs, Sir Fergie finshed 13th twice without being in the cl Sunderland qualified for the Europa League with 54 points, a team who spent 10 years outside the premier League,55 points would of finished 12th last season. I don't get your point. Edited May 24 by NUFC91 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 2 minutes ago, KaKa said: One thing that scares me about Eddie, is that he really thinks playing the likes of Murphy in any position, and shoehorning Burn into the team, is good for the team because of their "leadership". They're always straight back into the first team so quickly, after a brief exclusion when they're struggling. Burn should be backup/rotation for Botman and that is it. Murphy should not be starting games anymore and certainly not at the end of the season that is a write off, and the manager is supposed to be figuring stuff out for next season, he should be on his way out the door. Putting Hall RB, to accommodate Burn rods was ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 1 minute ago, KaKa said: One thing that scares me about Eddie, is that he really thinks playing the likes of Murphy in any position, and shoehorning Burn into the team, is good for the team because of their "leadership". They're always straight back into the first team so quickly, after a brief exclusion when they're struggling. Burn should be backup/rotation for Botman and that is it. Murphy should not be starting games anymore and certainly not at the end of the season that is a write off, and the manager is supposed to be figuring stuff out for next season, he should be on his way out the door. I was doing a proper LOL when I saw that Murphy was back in the team instead of Barnes. Someone said it was so he could have a farewell send off. Well he might have helped to give Howe one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mole Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 13 minutes ago, OpenC said: Are we top six like? A lot of us seem to think that we're top six and part of the established elite now. We've only been top six twice in a decade and I'm sure I don't need to extend the chart to the left for people to realise that it's a bit of an outlier position for us I think the implication is, that they should be aiming to be that consistently. Which I think is fair enough honestly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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