Big Jow Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I’ll need to watch that again to try and make sense of it because I struggled to ascertain what the plan was. I think it was the semi-press approach of pressing in periods without fully committing to it and not across the whole match. It worked, to an extent. Besides that I saw a more conservative approach which I assume was to try and keep the goals out, Lascelles with an absolute brain fart preventing that from happening. It wasn’t pretty, it was a bit desperate at times but we got there in the end. Howe looked like, for the first time, to be feeling the pressure. He looked a bit desperate at times. The subs were still not my cup of tea, but at least it was an improvement on Saturday, although that is a very low bar to meet. A big test at the weekend. Not looking forward to Neto. Heres hoping we build on this and get a win. At this stage, with the players we now have back, a draw wouldn’t be good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 If nowt else it’s become increasingly obvious why we bought Tonali as someone else who can put their foot on the ball and slow the game down a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonalis Bookie Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 The things at play here arent a rush of blood to the head. I don't think he will be here first game next year regardless of what happens from now because of a few very important moments that add up. Its not knee jerk, so just a few points: Our defence has been on a rapid decline since around February last season when the brilliant streak of not conceding ended. It has steadily declined to a point now where most attacks lead to a chance or an effort at goal Our lack of ability to change into new systems to deal with both in game situations and pre game tactical issues is startling An example of refusing to make subs to impact a game is being shown every game. Please remember Wolves away when we wre struggling, trippier was having a mare and Eddie did nothing We are playing player who haven't trained or who are struggling with niggles. If you want a prime example, in the Carabao against Chelsea we sent an injured gordon out after HT and allowed him to play on for about 10 minutes which furthered his issues Despite players coming back and being 3 goals up we do not make subs to bring on players, even a Ritchie to see out 10 relatively easy minutes It's very much a Bielsa moment for us at the moment. Eddie did an amazing job but the injuries we receive are muscle based, exactly what was happening at Leeds when players were playing in the red. If you look at the above and some of the other instances people will raise then it isnt just a snap reaction, its the acceptance of a large list of instances and decided we do not think they will improve over the coming months and into the new season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 12 minutes ago, Parsley said: To be fair, if Lascelles doesn't drop that clanger, I think we see the game out comfortably and probably grab another goal. Momentum was well with us at that point after the triple sub. So you’re saying if we’d scored more goals than them we would have won? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 minutes ago, Disco said: If nowt else it’s become increasingly obvious why we bought Tonali as someone else who can put their foot on the ball and slow the game down a bit. From what I’ve seen and read. That’s not really his game. But he would have more pass and move ability than any nom Bruno CM by a distance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 11 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said: How d'you know I'm a he? EH? There's a thread on Genrral chat for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 6 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: From what I’ve seen and read. That’s not really his game. But he would have more pass and move ability than any nom Bruno CM by a distance. Know what you mean and he’s not specifically that type of player but clearly being able to take and play the ball under pressure and play one touch or round the corner would improve us so much. That and Bruno seemingly running in glue a lot of the time and no one covering when he pressing too far. Anyway, it’s a whole different conversation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 If there's one thing tactically I'm weary of seeing it's Trippier in that centre-midfield position. Honestly don't feel like it offers us anything substantial, meanwhile leaving Lascelles to trip over his feet in the auxiliary RB position, and leaving the centre prone to gaps when Fab goes walkabout. Just keep him on the right. He builds play well enough from there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, Yorkie said: If there's one thing tactically I'm weary of seeing it's Trippier in that centre-midfield position. Honestly don't feel like it offers us anything substantial, meanwhile leaving Lascelles to trip over his feet in the auxiliary RB position, and leaving the centre prone to gaps when Fab goes walkabout. Just keep him on the right. He builds play well enough from there. Is it not more of a help out with numbers in midfield move? That's what I've seen it as, that Howe can see we have a problem there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, Disco said: Know what you mean and he’s not specifically that type of player but clearly being able to take and play the ball under pressure and play one touch would improve us so much. That and Bruno seemingly running in glue a lot of the time and no one covering when he pressed too far. It's not that strange when last season Eddie spoke about needing to control and dominate games, more that we went and got someone who's role that is and that they've done it at elite level. Tonali was Longstaffs replacement in the XI, not role in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Is it not more of a help out with numbers in midfield move? That's what I've seen it as, that Howe can see we have a problem there. Got to be, but I'm failing to see a net gain so far. Still, no plan B etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 34 minutes ago, KaKa said: Tuchel is about to end up with no trophies at the easiest club to win at least one trophy in all of football. Great choice. You don’t have to worry, the poster is garbage who posts nothing but nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 4 minutes ago, Yorkie said: If there's one thing tactically I'm weary of seeing it's Trippier in that centre-midfield position. Honestly don't feel like it offers us anything substantial, meanwhile leaving Lascelles to trip over his feet in the auxiliary RB position, and leaving the centre prone to gaps when Fab goes walkabout. Just keep him on the right. He builds play well enough from there. It happens canny infrequently/randomly so I wonder if it's just a decoy vehicle to keep folks guessing rather than being a genuine tactical plan. Probably helps save Tripps' legs a bit too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 4 minutes ago, Yorkie said: If there's one thing tactically I'm weary of seeing it's Trippier in that centre-midfield position. Honestly don't feel like it offers us anything substantial, meanwhile leaving Lascelles to trip over his feet in the auxiliary RB position, and leaving the centre prone to gaps when Fab goes walkabout. Just keep him on the right. He builds play well enough from there. I don’t even think it was a thing tonight bar that weird 10 seconds which was overhammed to the extreme by York affiliated comms. Last thing we needed tonight was more people in the middle building the game up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 We played some lovely stuff early doors this season. It hasn't suddenly been coached out of us. For various reason that have been covered at length, we're just in a bit of a rut right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Just now, Gallowgate Toon said: It happens canny infrequently/randomly so I wonder if it's just a decoy vehicle to keep folks guessing rather than being a genuine tactical plan. Probably helps save Tripps' legs a bit too. Not taking every sodding set piece from the left would help in that regard as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 4 minutes ago, Disco said: I don’t even think it was a thing tonight bar that weird 10 seconds which was overhammed to the extreme by York affiliated comms. Last thing we needed tonight was more people in the middle building the game up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 It would seem with every passing week more and more people are coming to my way of thinking when it comes to EH.. I’ve thought his goose has been cooked for months now and nothing I’ve seen, even the odd win, has changed my mind. We need a change. I like him though.. maybe not quite as much as Rafa but he’s always represented us very well so I’m annoyed that this will probably drag on long enough that the good memories will be overshadowed by the pure frustration of watching the team at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) Not As much as rafa? Howe has gave me more memories in 18 months than rafa could have gave me in a lifetime Bar the odd game in the championship the football used to bore me to tears Edited February 28 by jack j Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) We've had what circa two brilliant years with Howe, which surpassed all expectation, followed by a rough 3-4 months initiated by an unprecedented injury crisis. Tough crowd. Edited February 28 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jow Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) I loved Rafa but must agree, Howe is massively ahead of him. Can’t think of an NUFC manager since Sir Bobby I’ve enjoyed as much as Howe. Edited February 28 by Big Jow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 8 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: It would seem with every passing week more and more people are coming to my way of thinking when it comes to EH.. I’ve thought his goose has been cooked for months now and nothing I’ve seen, even the odd win, has changed my mind. We need a change. I like him though.. maybe not quite as much as Rafa but he’s always represented us very well so I’m annoyed that this will probably drag on long enough that the good memories will be overshadowed by the pure frustration of watching the team at the moment. Would it, though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, Theregulars said: Would it, though? He’s got enough credit built up so that recent performances will be met with a general apathy.. there’s no genuine anger yet but there will be. If we’d played like that with Steve Bruce as manager, there’d be multiple posts of cabbages and die in a house fire type rants. But that’s how bad we’ve been playing lately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Ronson333 said: We’ve not dominated this extra 30 mins, very disappointing wat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: And as I and others have mentioned. I think this is a confidence and composure thing in the main. Which links to motivation. Confidence and composure have absolutely nothing to do with motivation, howay man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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