Eddie Howe

[Gawalls]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Don’t get the calls for rotation in the last few matches. 
 

The time to rotate is at home, against lower half opposition.  Or on strict minutes management the way Klopp does it - regardless of game state.  The first - Howe didn’t do when he has the opportunity but that time has gone. The second - that’s not his style and that requires a proper squad.  

Today we had an out and out LB on the bench and livs playing LB. Tripps so should have been rested - even Krafth could have played, we had options for full backs. 

 

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by Gawalls

[Vinny Green Balls]

Just now, Dokko said:

 

This isn't me not wanting Howe, I'll back him, but I'm not going to pretend he's blameless in this and certainly can see some difficult games coming up in quick succession and with a derby looming this is a real test for him. Don't see the issue in saying that. It is. Anyone thinking it's not is in denial. 

You’ve been fine for nearly two years, man. I brought it up because you certainly didn’t give him a free hit when he first came. That’s all. 

[RS]

20 minutes ago, Aiston said:

 

Who's even calling for his head anyway?

 

Everyone is up for criticism/ praise and no one should be above it.

I’ll bet the the Twitter clowns are. 

[Dr Jinx]

When he came in he changed things and based on those changes he turned everything up to 11 last season. We took many teams by surprise and we had a great season. He still deserves our full support.

 

No other team has to work that hard to win games. Everything, the training, the high press, the running distances we put in during games. It’s run the players into the ground. It’s why we have the injuries. Total burn out.

 

He shouldn’t be afraid to look at things and come up with a better style of playing that doesn’t take its toll as much. He’s obviously capable of it, or we hope he is.

 

Like if that’s it, the current tactical plan, if he’s fresh out of ideas after that then he’ll be in bother, but let’s see how it plays out.

[madras]

13 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Funny how you wanted to keep Bruce.

Did I ?

[The College Dropout]

My biggest concern is the away performances and tactics.  We don’t seem to have a way to perform away from home. 45 minutes against PSG we were excellent. Other than Sheff U we’ve not had a goood performance away from home. 

[Dokko]

5 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

You’ve been fine for nearly two years, man. I brought it up because you certainly didn’t give him a free hit when he first came. That’s all. 

 

I wasn't sure. I gave him time then time started to run out and we looked doomed. That's when I questioned him. So what? He needed to do better and he did. Doesn't matter if I gave him a free hit or not, general consensus was he had one, especially with the board. 

 

In fact it was more about the shite luck and things just not happening for him more than having a go at him.

 

If we don't win a game before the derby will you still sit there saying its not a test? 

 

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by Dokko

[arnonel]

Supporters vs Glory hunters

[Cronky]

Eddie would have wanted to rotate, but the bench that we've had for the previous 4 games didn't give him any options. That's quite a rarity in the Premiership, but that is what's happened.

 

With Longy and Wilson returning that changed a bit, but they're back from injury and starting them would have carried risk.

 

Let's not forget as well - Spurs are a very good side. 

[Decky]

16 minutes ago, Erikse said:

Nomatter what happens (unless it gets extreme), he should be getting another try next season. Shouldn't even be a discussion about it right now though, way too early.

 

 

 

 

Of course its too early. We've been destroyed by injuries and we wouldn't be in this situation without the injuries and we won't be in a few weeks when we get more players back. In the summer we should be targeting players with fitness records that suit our style and try and move on players like Wilson who are guaranteed to have at least two spells on the sidelines every season. I love Wilson but we can't be having this anymore with him, he's far too unreliable and will probably only get worse as he gets older. Anyone else in the squad with these issues should be moved on too if the right replacement can be brought in. All the stops need to be pulled out to prevent an injury crisis like this happening again.

 

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by Decky

[madras]

On 08/12/2023 at 13:10, magvicar said:

Let's be clear. We got beat by mistakes which can happen to any team.

We've lost to an Everton team that are focused on battling like hell for each other.

We've had some great results with the same team and a very inexperienced bench, in the main, not to mention 26 goalkeepers. 

 

Sometimes this kind of result offers up another kick up the arse to focus for the entire game.

Dubravka coming in is a big change for the players and he's looked ring rusty.

 

Everton's crowd won the day along with their hyped up team.

Anthony Gordon tried to quieten them but ended up a bit rattled.

 

Not too many players had a good game.

Miley and Joelinton did fairly well.

I think Miley was my man of the match for us.

 

We're going to lose more games and draw more as well as win a fair few.

We'll just have to wait and see if we get the rub of the green with comeback injuries and January team fillers to carry us to the end.

 

Keep the faith and put that game on the back burner where it belongs.

 

 

 

You make more mistakes when tired. Sharpness goes, you may be able to run at near the same pace but that first yard or two won't be as quick.

 

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by madras

[Scoot]

I think it's fair to say all these injuries have eventually caught up with us, as was expected. If we were getting these results along with these performances with a fully fit or near fully fit squad then it'd be really concerning. 

 

These 11 players have been playing two games a week. Hopefully we'll get some bodies back in the coming weeks and we'll see an upturn in form. 

[Wandy]

Not worried about today, or in fact anything that happens in a PL game coming up soon....and I fancy us to beat Milan & Fulham. I'm very concerned about the derby though, and fear for him if we lose that. We are so close to it, and our away form is so poor, that even going on a decent run in the next few games won't have me that confident going into it. Unfortunately this season is showing we are capable of going from a great performance in one game to an absolutely dreadful one in the following game. What happens in the derby is anyone's guess right now.

[Vinny Green Balls]

5 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

I wasn't sure. I gave him time then time started to run out and we looked doomed. That's when I questioned him. So what? He needed to do better and he did. Doesn't matter if I gave him a free hit or not, general consensus was he had one, especially with the board. 

 

In fact it was more about the shite luck and things just not happening for him more than having a go at him.

 

If we don't win a game before the derby will you still sit there saying its not a test? 

 

 

 

 that is revisionist history there. You were more than questioning him. This is the exact problem with many autobiographies. 

[Gawalls]

3 minutes ago, arnonel said:

Supporters vs Glory hunters

Don’t be so fucking stupid, no one supports Newcastle for glory and these quick “tweeters, keyboard warriors, glory hunters” labels because their opinions don’t line up is pathetic.

 

 Most Newcastle fans support them because that’s where we’re from, I’ve lived in Newcastle obviously, Sheffield for uni, London 20 year for work and now Leicester because of my wife and can say the north east has the best area for local fans.

[madras]

7 minutes ago, Scoot said:

I think it's fair to say all these injuries have eventually caught up with us, as was expected. If we were getting these results along with these performances with a fully fit or near fully fit squad then it'd be really concerning. 

 

These 11 players have been playing two games a week. Hopefully we'll get some bodies back in the coming weeks and we'll see an upturn in form. 

Yeah I think some should look back on our teams thus season. Look on .com or whatever and in particular look at the bench. This hasn't been the last few weeks like it's made out, it's been since the start of October.

 

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by madras

[SiLvOR]

Something needs to change with our away form, and quickly. Clearly we aren't and can't press like we do at home, but a plan B needs to be formulated that still makes us compete. We just seem to get rolled by everyone. Brighton, Bournemouth, Everton, Spurs. Pockets of good play with PSG, Man U and AC Milan to a degree. I don't know what the answer is with the personel available. Edit to add - hopefully once everyone is back and there are genuine options in the likes of Willock and Barnes, we can look to spring better counters

 

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by SiLvOR

[Miggys First Goal]

MY FUCKING KING!

 

[madras]

1 minute ago, SiLvOR said:

Something needs to change with our away form, and quickly. Clearly we aren't and can't press like we do at home, but a plan B needs to be formulated that still makes us compete. We just seem to get rolled by everyone. Brighton, Bournemouth, Everton, Spurs. Pockets of good play with PSG, Man U and AC Milan to a degree. I don't know what the answer is with the personel available. 

We can press like that with a fit squad or even near fit squad. We've basically played the same XI fir close on two month. The only drop outs are because of injury and a "lesser" comes in.

 

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by madras

[Geordie Ahmed]

If you watch that interview and your immediate thought is one of criticism rather than sympathy for the injury situation then I think you are a doylem 

[Gallowgate Toon]

18 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Don’t get the calls for rotation in the last few matches. 
 

The time to rotate is at home, against lower half opposition.  Or on strict minutes management the way Klopp does it - regardless of game state.  The first - Howe didn’t do when he has the opportunity but that time has gone. The second - that’s not his style and that requires a proper squad.  

Yup, don't feel selection was wrong today but the gameplan seemed lost. It's a shame as he showed in 21/22 that he can coach a really good sit deep and counter team but we're not seeing it anymore. It came out a bit last season when we needed it but, PSG aside, we always seem to try and stick to our core plan at the moment. I think he wants to see us control situations with possession now but that requires good movement and stamina as well.

 

Felt like it might've been prudent to try starting deeper today as Spurs always start fast. Hindsight is a wonderful thing though.

[SiLvOR]

3 minutes ago, madras said:

We can press like that with a fit squad or even near fit squad. We've basically played the same XI fir close on two month. The only drop outs are because of injury and a "lesser" comes in.

 

 

 

Yeah that's what I meant by can't and aren't.

[madras]

FWIW I do think the plan at the start of the season was to change and maybe be less reliant on the press (which still works at home) bit injuries and Tonali put paid to that so far.

[Dokko]

Huge apologies to Neej, looks like I did mention Gerrard as a potential candidate. Ffs. I honestly hand on heart have no recollection of that. ?

 

Fuck me. I'm out. 

[Vinny Green Balls]

2 minutes ago, Dokko said:

Huge apologies to Neej, looks like I did mention Gerrard as a potential candidate. Ffs. I honestly hand on heart have no recollection of that. ?

 

Fuck me. I'm out. 

 Dude, you just had a little moment back then, which did seem out of character at the time.

 

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by Vinny Green Balls