Eddie Howe

[joeyt]

Not sure if it's just my thinking but I feel the more options he has available to him,  the more we're struggling?

 

When the team was picking itself like with Almiron and Trippier on the right it was obvious they'd play but this must be the most options he's had available at his time here and yet we've no idea what our best team is

[Ronaldo]

4 minutes ago, Geogaddi said:

We have had a pretty easy start to the season fixture wise as well , we still have to go away to 7 of the 9 teams above us for example , this only being 4 points off third makes things sound a lot better than they are and that's down to the relatively easy start to the season fixture wise .

We couldn’t really have asked for a much easier start. 
 

It’s the performances more than the results anyway. They’ve been a mess from the first or second game.

[TheBrownBottle]

10 hours ago, JEToon said:

See when Eddie is actually doing “shite”

 

you won’t need online assessment and polls - watching us will tell you 

we are fortunate - our match going fans are well educate and have walked a lot of shite covered hills they know what “bad” actually looks like - we aren’t there yet, the support and watching us will tell you when we are. You don’t need to project it, what will actually happen will play out without imposing it on it 

 

 

 

Context is, as you keep writing, vital here. 
 

I’m one of those who used to watch us in the old second division in the early ‘90s.  So yes, I have seen absolute shite in B&W.  I had a season ticket during what was the second worst season in our entire history. 
 

But that side was assembled on the cheap and stuffed with kids (the ‘Ossie babes’).  At the moment I’m watching an expensively assembled side - bought for the current manager; three years is ample time - look like a bunch of uncoached strangers.

 

And our ‘match going fans’ are no more or less educated than anyone else on that score.

 

I don’t want to see Howe sacked, but the idea that the performances haven’t been pretty shite this season is borderline delusional.   We’ve got eyes.  We’ve been mainly shite - and the buck stops with the manager.  

[Smal]

Just now, joeyt said:

Not sure if it's just my thinking but I feel the more options he has available to him,  the more we're struggling?

 

When the team was picking itself like with Almiron and Trippier on the right it was obvious they'd play but this must be the most options he's had available at his time here and yet we've no idea what our best team is

 

I think there’s something in this. Whenever we go on a winning run Howe likes to name the same XI every game. When we’re out of form he chops and changes it.

 

No idea what the answer is

[Gawalls]

30 minutes ago, Heron said:

Speaking of this season, statistically only, there is nothing you have said here that proves or disproves whether Newcastle could or couldn't be that breakaway club. If our average points is x then the average of clubs around us is also very similar to x.

 

So basically what you're saying is you dont think we can be or are that club which is a separate discussion.

Our performances prove that to me - we’re getting worse on the pitch every game.

[Alan Pardew]

18 hours ago, Miggys First Goal said:

@Alan Pardew, wanna come back King?

Imagine the King… back for one last dance up north. Back on the pitch… managing… I think you lot would go mental and not in a good way. I do believe I could get a nice win streak going with these players. Some good ones come through these past years. That Tino Guimaraes is some midfielder. Much much better than the cloggers I got 5th with. Even won manager of the year. 
 

That being said I think Young Eddie deserves more time this season before we can ponder on such things. He come in… and saved you from relegation after the mess Fat Bruce left you in. Then he got you CL football. 
 

No job for me yet lads… but I push on. Liverpool - City later tonight on the telly. Glass of wine for me probably. 

[lovejoy]

6 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Context is, as you keep writing, vital here. 
 

I’m one of those who used to watch us in the old second division in the early ‘90s.  So yes, I have seen absolute shite in B&W.  I had a season ticket during what was the second worst season in our entire history. 
 

But that side was assembled on the cheap and stuffed with kids (the ‘Ossie babes’).  At the moment I’m watching an expensively assembled side - bought for the current manager; three years is ample time - look like a bunch of uncoached strangers.

 

And our ‘match going fans’ are no more or less educated than anyone else on that score.

 

I don’t want to see Howe sacked, but the idea that the performances haven’t been pretty shite this season is borderline delusional.   We’ve got eyes.  We’ve been mainly shite - and the buck stops with the manager.  

 

I think this is fair.

 

I don’t want to see Howe sacked because a) I really like him and b) I think he’s got credit in the bank to try and turn this.

 

Equally, it’s been largely shite this season and that’s on the manager. Carve it up however you wish, but save for 3 or 4 good performances we’ve been awful and if it doesn’t change soon he’ll have to go. 

 

 

[Gawalls]

5 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Context is, as you keep writing, vital here. 
 

I’m one of those who used to watch us in the old second division in the early ‘90s.  So yes, I have seen absolute shite in B&W.  I had a season ticket during what was the second worst season in our entire history. 
 

But that side was assembled on the cheap and stuffed with kids (the ‘Ossie babes’).  At the moment I’m watching an expensively assembled side - bought for the current manager; three years is ample time - look like a bunch of uncoached strangers.

 

And our ‘match going fans’ are no more or less educated than anyone else on that score.

 

I don’t want to see Howe sacked, but the idea that the performances haven’t been pretty shite this season is borderline delusional.   We’ve got eyes.  We’ve been mainly shite - and the buck stops with the manager.  

👍👏

 

 you can’t slag Bruce and Pardew off for years then turn around and start saying the manager can’t control things in the pitch so perhaps he may be only contributing to the current performances. 

[Erikse]

17 minutes ago, Geogaddi said:

We have had a pretty easy start to the season fixture wise as well , we still have to go away to 7 of the 9 teams above us for example , this only being 4 points off third makes things sound a lot better than they are and that's down to the relatively easy start to the season fixture wise .

 

 

I look at the next 7 games and I fear 5 of them. We won't lose all those 5, but we really need to step up sooner rather than later.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Erikse

[Cronky]

2 hours ago, Gawalls said:

Not gonna sit here and debate that with things like we’re showing around the same position as teams who would love Italian, Brazilian and English internationals to choose from as well as people as good as Barnes and tripps on the bench but that’s been done to death. Don’t know if it’s him or the clubs stubbornness to sell but if reports are true we turned down bids for him in Jan then that area needs work. 

 

It's not clear to me where you stand on that issue, but Eddie's ability to improve players through coaching is being underestimated here. At the time of their signing, Bruno had only 3 caps - he now has 32. Joelinton, Gordon, Livramento and Hall had none. We bought Isak at the time when his career had taken a dip, and Trippier is nearing the end of his career.

 

Tonali and Barnes are the only major signings that haven't kicked on as yet.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Cronky

[Erikse]

20 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

👍👏

 

 you can’t slag Bruce and Pardew off for years then turn around and start saying the manager can’t control things in the pitch so perhaps he may be only contributing to the current performances. 

 

When I see comments about our squad not being good enough, I start thinking about the squads that Burce finished 12th and 13th with.. Our squad is miles and miles better than that, and Bruce was a terrible manager. Ofcourse we can expect way more from the current squad of players, like I don't exactly feel sorry for Howe for having to work with decent PL players like Longstaff and the Joes when he also has Isak, Bruno, Tonali, Gordon etc. at his disposal.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Erikse

[nufcjb]

Earlier on this season, i thought it was our defence that was problematic.

 

But the 2 games this past week, we look drained of any creativity or inventiveness in our forward play. And that is with almost all of our players being fit. 

 

Unfortunately, that falls at Eddie's feet and he must accept that something needs to change quicklu before it spirals out of control.

[Andy]

2 minutes ago, nufcjb said:

But the 2 games this past week, we look drained of any creativity or inventiveness in our forward play. And that is with almost all of our players being fit. 

 

We've failed to replace Trippier as a creative force. Even Miggy to an extent, who I think is more intelligent in his build up play than the alternatives, even if his end product is usually cack. 

 

We've gone from having one of the most threatening right hand sides in the country to being almost entirely lop sided to the left.

 

Our left hand side was effective in previous seasons because teams had to over compensate for what we were doing down the right. 

 

The problem is compounded by the fact that Barnes and Gordon are both pretty one dimensional (in different ways), and our midfielders have basically no creativity. 

 

It's difficult to see how things will change without a major system overhaul or some excellent recruitment in January.

[Smal]

A top right winger who compliments Tino (+ ball carrying, but - passing/creativity) is a must really, isn’t it. Tino is here for the long term so it has to be planned as such.

 

A Kulusevski type profile would be ideal imo - doesn’t have to be pacey but intelligence and creativity are absolute musts on that side now. Olise would’ve been incredible wouldn’t he.

[Erikse]

25 minutes ago, Andy said:

It's difficult to see how things will change without a major system overhaul or some excellent recruitment in January.

 

Seems like we would need to sell someone valuable for that to happen, unfortunately. If we've maxed out our credit card, then excellent recruitment won't be an option.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Erikse

[ExiledGeordie]

The Brentford cup game and the home games against Leicester and Ipswich are massive though. Failure in those games and he’s bang in trouble and rightly so.

[Decky]

10 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

The Brentford cup game and the home games against Leicester and Ipswich are massive though. Failure in those games and he’s bang in trouble and rightly so.

 

Needs to be good performances now too. A 1-0 or 2-1 win won't please many if we're shite again.

[Whitley mag]

10 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

The Brentford cup game and the home games against Leicester and Ipswich are massive though. Failure in those games and he’s bang in trouble and rightly so.

Opposition who will park the bus and expose our gaps in midfield on the break.

[Tiresias]

I'm still in team howe, i dont really think theres a huge amount better available and I'm sure he will get us playing better. But we couldnt buy in summer, we didn't sell so we largely stayed the same over several transfer windows, staying the same just makes you go backwards normally and thats what has happened. We needs to refresh the squad in the summer, and that will probably mean some painful sales. 

[midds]

Snipped the top 10 of the PL after 13 games (from us), other teams may have played a different number. I'm just presenting it and each season will have different fixture lists etc but each one shows where we were after having played 13 of the other 19 teams in the division:

 

22/23

 

23/24

 

24/25

 

Take from that what you will and there are still 26 more fixtures to play for it to improve or decline. We don't get to make the decisions but the people who do will be looking 

[Gawalls]

2 hours ago, Cronky said:

 

It's not clear to me where you stand on that issue, but Eddie's ability to improve players through coaching is being underestimated here. At the time of their signing, Bruno had only 3 caps - he now has 32. Joelinton, Gordon, Livramento and Hall had none. We bought Isak at the time when his career had taken a dip, and Trippier is nearing the end of his career.

 

Tonali and Barnes are the only major signings that haven't kicked on as yet.

 

 

 

It was nothing to do with his training ability why I said it, it was in response to constantly reading things like “consider the squad… considering the players he had to work with”. Just saying you won’t get much sympathy from the likes of Crystal Palace on that front and even away from home in my opinion we should be looking to beat them.

[Gawalls]

13 minutes ago, midds said:

Snipped the top 10 of the PL after 13 games (from us), other teams may have played a different number. I'm just presenting it and each season will have different fixture lists etc but each one shows where we were after having played 13 of the other 19 teams in the division:

 

22/23

 

23/24

 

24/25

 

Take from that what you will and there are still 26 more fixtures to play for it to improve or decline. We don't get to make the decisions but the people who do will be looking 

Last season I think we had one of the hardest starts going, playing the whole top 6 I believe - this season we’ve had one of the easiest. Draw this up again when we’ve played Liverpool, Man City etc

[midds]

1 minute ago, Gawalls said:

Last season I think we had one of the hardest starts going, playing the whole top 6 I believe - this season we’ve had one of the easiest. Draw this up again when we’ve played Liverpool, Man City etc

Absolutely, it's never going to be a perfect comparison as the fixtures will all be different. It's just there to look at and draw inferences from

[Keegans Export]

Just now, midds said:

Absolutely, it's never going to be a perfect comparison as the fixtures will all be different. It's just there to look at and draw inferences from

There's someone on Reddit comparing equivalent results from last season and I think we're 1pt down from the same fixtures last season. 

[midds]

6 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

There's someone on Reddit comparing equivalent results from last season and I think we're 1pt down from the same fixtures last season. 

That's another good way to do it too

 

I did the whole league as it gives an idea as to how tightly bunched some of the clubs are and shows the points differences between positions. It's just data tbh and can and will be interpreted differently by different people. And even then people will also use the games themselves (the fabled 'eye test') they've seen to form their opinions with a bit of luck.