RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted July 27, 2025 Share Posted July 27, 2025 2 hours ago, Vinny Green Balls said: A bit uncalled for, dude. True & agreed apologies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted July 27, 2025 Share Posted July 27, 2025 (edited) 3 hours ago, James said: I’ve felt for a long time going back to when we first qualified for the CL that one of the biggest areas of growth for the club is to learn to sell well. The biggest mistakes under Howe is that upon qualifying for the CL that we did not sell Wilson and Willock. the only good sales we have made under Howe are ASM, Wood and Longstaff. Isak at the reported figures is probably a good sale in reality. Had he not behaved badly then I’d be content with the three very good years we got out of him and the potential to reinvest that huge sum to improve the team. In that regard the fan base need to learn to swap possessive attachment with nostalgia. Shelvey, but yeah.. Shelvey was more about Forest being nuts. Oh, and Kelly ofcourse, but also that one was about Juve being nuts. Edited July 27, 2025 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted July 27, 2025 Share Posted July 27, 2025 (edited) Does the official website always use the term head coach in their reports/articles? Just noticed that. Edited July 27, 2025 by El Prontonise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted July 28, 2025 Share Posted July 28, 2025 Sounds like he’s doing a sit down with the journos tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 28, 2025 Share Posted July 28, 2025 22 hours ago, El Prontonise said: Does the official website always use the term head coach in their reports/articles? Just noticed that. I think so, that's his official title IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted July 28, 2025 Share Posted July 28, 2025 3 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I think so, that's his official title IIRC. I think they're fairly loose with it and use the two titles interchangeably on the website. Which is exactly what a paranoid fanbase like ours needs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 28, 2025 Share Posted July 28, 2025 Just now, NEEJ said: I think they're fairly loose with it and use the two titles interchangeably on the website. Which is exactly what a paranoid fanbase like ours needs. They need a content style guide Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted July 28, 2025 Share Posted July 28, 2025 Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said: They need a content style guide Would go some way to sorting our summer. Might be what's got Isak so miffed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted July 29, 2025 Share Posted July 29, 2025 I think the Isak shit has been a bit of an easy get out for the club on our incomings. It cannot be allowed to be used as an excuse for not getting the bare minimum that we needed. Sure it's an annoying distraction and it's shit that most of our targets we got blown out by other clubs. But if we get to the end of the window and don't have at minimum; a Wilson ST replacement, a Longstaff CM replacement, and a Kelly CB replacement, then it's been a colossal failure. That's just for filling squad depth and not even first 11 level quality and forgetting goalkeeper as Pope might be serviceable for 1 more year, but not ideal. Eddie would be left completely unequipped, and that's even before any notion of an Isak exit. That is unacceptable reward for the man who brought us our first domestic trophy in 70 years, delivered champions league again for 2nd time in 3 years and did all this whilst barely buying a first team player for 3 windows and working with a fraction of the wage bill of some of the cartel clubs we're competing with. Sure some will say this is partly on Eddie as he is helping pick the targets but I'm sure he is willing to compromise. He probably wouldn't have let Wilson or Longstaff leave if he knew he was getting nothing in return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted July 29, 2025 Share Posted July 29, 2025 3 minutes ago, alexf said: I think the Isak shit has been a bit of an easy get out for the club on our incomings. It cannot be allowed to be used as an excuse for not getting the bare minimum that we needed. Sure it's an annoying distraction and it's shit that most of our targets we got blown out by other clubs. But if we get to the end of the window and don't have at minimum; a Wilson ST replacement, a Longstaff CM replacement, and a Kelly CB replacement, then it's been a colossal failure. That's just for filling squad depth and not even first 11 level quality and forgetting goalkeeper as Pope might be serviceable for 1 more year, but not ideal. Eddie would be left completely unequipped, and that's even before any notion of an Isak exit. That is unacceptable reward for the man who brought us our first domestic trophy in 70 years, delivered champions league again for 2nd time in 3 years and did all this whilst barely buying a first team player for 3 windows and working with a fraction of the wage bill of some of the cartel clubs we're competing with. Sure some will say this is partly on Eddie as he is helping pick the targets but I'm sure he is willing to compromise. He probably wouldn't have let Wilson or Longstaff leave if he knew he was getting nothing in return. I won't accept any of it is Eddie's fault like for all the reasons you've stated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted July 29, 2025 Share Posted July 29, 2025 45 minutes ago, alexf said: I think the Isak shit has been a bit of an easy get out for the club on our incomings. It cannot be allowed to be used as an excuse for not getting the bare minimum that we needed. Sure it's an annoying distraction and it's shit that most of our targets we got blown out by other clubs. But if we get to the end of the window and don't have at minimum; a Wilson ST replacement, a Longstaff CM replacement, and a Kelly CB replacement, then it's been a colossal failure. That's just for filling squad depth and not even first 11 level quality and forgetting goalkeeper as Pope might be serviceable for 1 more year, but not ideal. Eddie would be left completely unequipped, and that's even before any notion of an Isak exit. That is unacceptable reward for the man who brought us our first domestic trophy in 70 years, delivered champions league again for 2nd time in 3 years and did all this whilst barely buying a first team player for 3 windows and working with a fraction of the wage bill of some of the cartel clubs we're competing with. Sure some will say this is partly on Eddie as he is helping pick the targets but I'm sure he is willing to compromise. He probably wouldn't have let Wilson or Longstaff leave if he knew he was getting nothing in return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted July 29, 2025 Share Posted July 29, 2025 eddie needs to get a bit radge behind the scenes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous Nick Posted July 29, 2025 Share Posted July 29, 2025 this summer is bloody hard for fans to but for him it must be brutal. huge season ahead, the 8 CL games wont be easy with some heavy hitters of Real, PSG, Bayern, Barca, Atletico, Napoli etc, he needs a bigger squad with more quality and remember he said end of May he talked with management and agreed that we need to be quick and decisive in this window. also there is bit of expectation to try to win CL place once again, which will be much harder as I cannot see Spurs, Man Utd so shit once again they might not jump up that quick to 4/5/6/7th places, but will be harder to get points off of them, while City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea already spent huge to improve and not done yet. Chelsea still going to get Xavi Simons, Garnacho, and the Ajax guy. Arsenal still going to add Eze (their net spend will be sick, above 250m easily), City still looking for RB (Livramento sadly). Spurs will surely add some decent players after the MGW shitshow. Liverpool coming for Isak lol. all our main rivals are in sick transfer mode, maybe apart from Villa so far who has just hit the FFP ceiling a bit. lets hope the remaining less than 5 weeks the club will be able to provide Howe with a sick transfer activity where the squad ends up being stronger than it was and bit deeper too. must be draining for him given he actually much involved in all this, while likes of Arteta, Slot, Guardiola all sit back and get tremendous help from their DoFs, nobody doing much here helping out Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted July 29, 2025 Share Posted July 29, 2025 No one is getting near the top 4 this year. The gap for the rest will be vast. The likes of us, spurs, man u, villa, forest, brighton, fulham etc will all be fighting it out for the remaining 5th place, if it happens to be CL again, might depend on how badly/well we do in it. Surprised Villa have done nothing so far even with their PSR issues. Wouldn't be surprised if they do something sneaky in the final days of the window. Our issue as always when we have Europe will be depth. Our players will burn out/pick up injuries and the slightest slip up will allow others to overtake us easily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 30, 2025 Share Posted July 30, 2025 15 hours ago, alexf said: I think the Isak shit has been a bit of an easy get out for the club on our incomings. It cannot be allowed to be used as an excuse for not getting the bare minimum that we needed. Sure it's an annoying distraction and it's shit that most of our targets we got blown out by other clubs. But if we get to the end of the window and don't have at minimum; a Wilson ST replacement, a Longstaff CM replacement, and a Kelly CB replacement, then it's been a colossal failure. That's just for filling squad depth and not even first 11 level quality and forgetting goalkeeper as Pope might be serviceable for 1 more year, but not ideal. Eddie would be left completely unequipped, and that's even before any notion of an Isak exit. That is unacceptable reward for the man who brought us our first domestic trophy in 70 years, delivered champions league again for 2nd time in 3 years and did all this whilst barely buying a first team player for 3 windows and working with a fraction of the wage bill of some of the cartel clubs we're competing with. Sure some will say this is partly on Eddie as he is helping pick the targets but I'm sure he is willing to compromise. He probably wouldn't have let Wilson or Longstaff leave if he knew he was getting nothing in return. 15 hours ago, Heron said: I won't accept any of it is Eddie's fault like for all the reasons you've stated. Last I checked Howe is in charge of the three person transfer committee, and started a public spat with the last appointed DoF who left less than a season in, a role which is now effectively covered by his nephew. I don’t think Howe is blameless on that basis. But the issue is systemic at the club, and the lack of executive structures around and supporting Howe are the key cause of the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted July 30, 2025 Share Posted July 30, 2025 The issue as I see it is that we appear to have abandoned the model that saw us sign Isak and are trying to compete with the septic 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted July 30, 2025 Share Posted July 30, 2025 (edited) 4 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: Last I checked Howe is in charge of the three person transfer committee, and started a public spat with the last appointed DoF who left less than a season in, a role which is now effectively covered by his nephew. I don’t think Howe is blameless on that basis. But the issue is systemic at the club, and the lack of executive structures around and supporting Howe are the key cause of the problem. I don’t think Howe lacks support, in fact I think he has too much. Like you said he had a public spat with the DOF, and the DOF left less than a year in, I.E. he won that. Last year he wouldn’t move away from Guéhi which meant that we missed out on not only getting a CB, but doing well in other areas. We kept players like Ritchie around because ‘he’s nice to have around’ when we could have used those wages elsewhere. His loyalty to former players he had at Bournemouth is bizarre, Ritchie obviously, we also offered a contract to Wilson, and should have pushed him out of the door last summer. Now we are getting in a keeper who used to play with him at Bournemouth who most people agree is no upgrade on our first team keeper, and are debating if he’s as good as our 2nd keeper. Again we have 5 goalkeepers on our books already and are crying out for depth in the squad elsewhere. When we do sign players, he fucks them off for a year in anyway. Now we have a situation where they are trying to find a DOF who works with him, rather than the other way around. Don’t get me started on how his nephew is a key part of our recruiting staff. Howe has too much control over transfers, and there’s going to be a day when someone like Liverpool come knocking and he’s going either fuck us off and take everything with him, or use it against us to manipulate a move away. Edited July 30, 2025 by Stifler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 30, 2025 Share Posted July 30, 2025 Just now, Stifler said: I don’t think Howe lacks support, in fact I think he has too much. Like you said he had a public spat with the DOF, and the DOF left less than a year in, I.E. he won that. Last year he wouldn’t move away from Guéhi which meant that we missed out on not only getting a CB, but doing well in other areas. We kept players like Ritchie around because ‘he’s nice to have around’ when we could have used those wages elsewhere. His loyalty to former player he had at Bournemouth is bizarre, Ritchie obviously, we also offered a contract to Wilson, and should have pushed him out of the door last summer. Now we are getting in a keeper who used to play with him at Bournemouth who most people agree is no upgrade on our first team keeper, and are debating if he’s as good as our 2nd keeper. Again we have 5 goalkeepers on our books already and are crying out for depth in the squad elsewhere. When we do sign players, he fucks them off for a year in anyway. Now we have a situation where they are trying to find a DOF who works with him, rather than the other way around. Don’t get me started on how his nephew is a key part of our recruiting staff. Howe has too much control over transfers, and there’s going to be a day when someone like Liverpool come knocking and he’s going either fuck us off and take everything with him, or use it against us to manipulate a move away. This is my view as well. I know Howe is a great manager, but I don't think a manager should be heading transfer policy. He should have input, but let the club decide the overall strategy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted July 30, 2025 Share Posted July 30, 2025 (edited) 2 minutes ago, TRon said: This is my view as well. I know Howe is a great manager, but I don't think a manager should be heading transfer policy. He should have input, but let the club decide the overall strategy. This. He should have input, but he shouldn’t be in charge. We don’t live in an era where managers can stay at clubs for decades to built dynasties anymore. Edited July 30, 2025 by Stifler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 30, 2025 Share Posted July 30, 2025 Did Howe start the public spat with Mitchell? I thought it was Mitchell giving an interview saying what we'd been doing previously wasn't fit for purpose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted July 30, 2025 Share Posted July 30, 2025 Just now, joeyt said: Did Howe start the public spat with Mitchell? I thought it was Mitchell giving an interview saying what we'd been doing previously wasn't fit for purpose He said overpaying for players like we did for Bruno and Wood isn’t sustainable. It was right for the time and scenario we were in, but not right moving forward. Howe went to the press to spit his dummy out. Apparently Staveley was his biggest backer and he lost support when she left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 30, 2025 Share Posted July 30, 2025 We didn't overpay for Bruno though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 30, 2025 Share Posted July 30, 2025 1 minute ago, Stifler said: He said overpaying for players like we did for Bruno and Wood isn’t sustainable. It was right for the time and scenario we were in, but not right moving forward. Howe went to the press to spit his dummy out. Apparently Staveley was his biggest backer and he lost support when she left. It was a ridiculous thing for Mitchell to say though, he didn’t even need to do interviews at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 30, 2025 Share Posted July 30, 2025 It was Tino and Hall i think it turned out he was on about. And it was only this Spring we found out he said that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 30, 2025 Share Posted July 30, 2025 Don't know who wrote the article but the one about Liverpool only moving forward once they moved beyond a manager deciding everything on signings was a good one. Brendan Rogers kept vetoing all the players lined up by Liverpool's recruitment team, and they only really progressed once they bombed him out and let the specialists do their job. Now I get Howe is a class above, and we do need to back him, but we also need a system which isn't reliant on one person. Hopefully the next appointments won't be too tied in to the manager where they can't make their own decisions. That was the problem with Eales and Mitchell as well, both came as a package. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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