matta Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Easy. Eddie is still the man. But there are alot of things we need to fix, and thankfully i think Eddie is the right man for this job. It may be frustrating watching us at times, but in the long run i really think Eddie is the man. Hard to see any real replacement candidates, that are actual upgrades, as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) I nearly voted happy with gripes, because obviously there are always things you would like to change or wish a manager would do. But none of those gripes mean I don't think he's the man. Edited February 2 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) Until there comes a day when the snidey PSR rules are changed to allow clubs to compete by receiving external investment beyond the levels of their historical income, then I think we really only need to be measuring our progress versus Villa. Are we at least on a similar trajectory to Villa should be the comparison. And if we're not, questions should be asked of the manager. It's futile comparing ourselves to the cartel clubs, because they're playing with a loaded deck. We're not allowed to spend enough money to be able build a squad who are capable of competing on 4 fronts. Being in Europe ruins our league form. That's the reality we're up against. PSR is doing exactly what it was designed to do. Edited February 2 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 5 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: Until there comes a day when the snidey PSR rules are changed to allow clubs to compete by receiving external investment beyond the levels of their historical income, then I think we really only need to be measuring our progress versus Villa. Are we at least on a similar trajectory to them should be the comparison. It's futile comparing ourselves to the cartel clubs, because they're playing with a loaded deck. We're not able to spend enough money to be able build a squad who are capable of competing on 4 fronts. Being in Europe ruins our league form. That's the reality we're up against. PSR is doing exactly what it was designed to do. Why don't we just say fuck it, spend shitloads, get what we need and then when the cartel start crying point out the 115 City charges that have seemingly been ignored, or continously kicked down the road, by the PL. Also while we're at it, ask the PL why Man U are allowed to be £750m in debt and we aren't? I mean I know we won't but it would be funny to watch them collectively shit themselves. Ah well... Edited February 2 by Joe1984 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Just now, Adam P said: Which really just says 'football clubs are hard to run' and means that the judgement that we are not well run ignores the relaive competitive landscape. Its as though running a business based on competitive sporting performance entails all sorts of unmanageable risk! Well-run is an oversimplification tbf. We haven't been operating at the competence, ambition, aggression and level of a club that intends to meet the status of our owners stated ambition. Spurs have had 20 years of great growth. They've been super well-run for most of the 21st century, until the last few years. But winning trophies and such was never the real ambition. This has been my argument about us vs Villa for over a year now. Villa are moving in the manner of the owners stated ambitions. Since Staveley left, it's become increasingly clearer to me that there's a massive gap between what the Owners say and what the club do and how they go about doing it. Man U, Chelsea and to a lesser extent Spurs all have entrenched advantages that has let their ownership get away with being poorly managed for a number of seasons. If Glazers own any of the other 14 PL clubs they get relegated. Their advantages make it easier to be poorly run for extended periods of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 6 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: Until there comes a day when the snidey PSR rules are changed to allow clubs to compete by receiving external investment beyond the levels of their historical income, then I think we really only need to be measuring our progress versus Villa. Are we at least on a similar trajectory to Villa should be the comparison. And if we're not, questions should be asked of the manager. It's futile comparing ourselves to the cartel clubs, because they're playing with a loaded deck. We're not allowed to spend enough money to be able build a squad who are capable of competing on 4 fronts. Being in Europe ruins our league form. That's the reality we're up against. PSR is doing exactly what it was designed to do. It's the leadership more than the manager. Last season Villa's ownership did all they could to secure B2B CL finishes. This year they are doing all they can to support another European push. It's also on the ownership to start reducing the squad age and becoming PSR compliant in the medium term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Whilst the players are clearly behind him and continue to be competitive in games, he has my total faith. Summer window didn't turn out the way he liked, he himself said that Woltemade needs to get more physical, and missed out on a whole host of targets. Him targeting Ekitike, Olise and Mbeumo fills be with confidence that he knows the standard of player we need. Don't see any alternative managers who would be an improvement. No one seems to be able to suggest anyway realistic either.. one said Luis Enrique, his team's have been totally abject against us. If we get rid it would set us back years. Don't understand why that prospect is appealing for some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Happy with some major gripes at the minute. Too many games are a carbon copy of other games, and I can't really remember the last dominating performance we've had in the league. We have been good in the CL and as I said last week, there'd be a lot more anti-Howe noise if we didn't have that in the bank. We struggle to hold on to a lead, are pretty pathetic away from home and have became a shell of what we were. There's numerous reasons for the latter point, but it doesn't mean it isn't true. We've been pretty poor since the back end of last season imo. Thankfully, he will be given time as he's more than earned it, but it is a big worry that both of our European campaigns have resulted in poor league performance. There's still time to make it a (very) good season, but I suspect in 2 weeks time we will be out of both domestic cup competitions with an uphill task to qualify for Europe again. As much as I'd love some decent aways in Europe next year, I dread to think how we'd cope with Europa/conference league. It may be for the best we finish outside of the top 7/8, not that it would go down well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I think the problem with Luis Enrique is that he would never come here, not that his teams aren’t good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I think it's hard to argue against giving him a proper summer with a proper sporting director and some structure above him in light of all he's achieved. If we accept that we're all likely to make a mistake at some stage, his transfer success rate has been remarkable and he's probably 'allowed' a fuck up or two (Hello Messr's Elanga and Wissa). I'd like to see him given this summer to have a more planned, thought through and less reactionary window than the last one. I still have a lot of sympathy with him given everything he's had to deal with since his arrival but, there's no question, he's invited far more scrutiny as a result of how last summers budget was spent. He's now under the microscope on every transaction and will be for a while I suspect. Not ideal when you need to transform our GK deparment, striking department and oversee some major sales - all this summer - all in a world cup year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, Kimbo said: I think the problem with Luis Enrique is that he would never come here, not that his teams aren’t good. Yep, I reckon a manager whose team won the European Cup Final with the biggest winning margin in history a few months ago might be reasonably expected to do an ok job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 10 minutes ago, Minhosa said: I think it's hard to argue against giving him a proper summer with a proper sporting director and some structure above him in light of all he's achieved. If we accept that we're all likely to make a mistake at some stage, his transfer success rate has been remarkable and he's probably 'allowed' a fuck up or two (Hello Messr's Elanga and Wissa). I'd like to see him given this summer to have a more planned, thought through and less reactionary window than the last one. I still have a lot of sympathy with him given everything he's had to deal with since his arrival but, there's no question, he's invited far more scrutiny as a result of how last summers budget was spent. He's now under the microscope on every transaction and will be for a while I suspect. Not ideal when you need to transform our GK deparment, striking department and oversee some major sales - all this summer - all in a world cup year. Sounds very reasonable but I don’t think scrutiny should go all on Howe. Also this window could still go down and average or slow to impact the team rather than anything disastrous. I’d say all of our signings have a chance to turn out better than they have been so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 The Sunderland home game sticks out at one he really does need to win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 4 hours ago, Crimson Cardigan said: I think it’s only fair to point out that cartel clubs like Man U are allowed to sign limitless amounts of dud players with no financial consequences, where as one mistake for us is seismic. "Limitless" "One mistake" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: It's the leadership more than the manager. Last season Villa's ownership did all they could to secure B2B CL finishes. This year they are doing all they can to support another European push. It's also on the ownership to start reducing the squad age and becoming PSR compliant in the medium term. But they didn't secure B2B CL finishes. So it's a moot point. It was an attempt that failed. And while they were attempting and failing to secure B2B CL finishes, we were winning a trophy and securing our CL spot. Edited February 2 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 6 minutes ago, Froggy said: "Limitless" "One mistake" Well, pretty much? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 6 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: But they didn't secure B2B CL finishes. So it's a moot point. It was an attempt that failed. And while they were attempting and failing to secure B2B CL finishes, we were winning a trophy and securing our CL spot. We're also as close to West Ham as we are to Villa this season so far. Whilst I agree the 2 clubs are at similar places on and off the pitch, they've been far better at dealing with consistent European football and not allowing it to damage their league form too much. They've also been extremely lucky at times this season, so there is that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said: We're also as close to West Ham as we are to Villa this season so far. Whilst I agree the 2 clubs are at similar places on and off the pitch, they've been far better at dealing with consistent European football and not allowing it to damage their league form too much. They've also been extremely lucky at times this season, so there is that. We're in the semi of a cup as defending champions, we should progress to the knock out phases of the CL and are in the 4th round of the other cup. So based on our cup run you could argue we're closer to Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City than West Ham. We can't compete effectively on all 4 fronts: CL, League, League Cup and FA cup. And neither can Villa. They're riding high in the league, the Europa is a doddle for any half-decent PL team, they're out of the league cup and hopefully out of the FA Cup soon. Villa have had 1 x run at the CL, we've had 2. So we're ahead of them on that metric but we both seem to be following the same path of only being able to make the CL every couple of seasons. Edited February 2 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 9 minutes ago, KingArthur said: Well, pretty much? Man United signings over the last 5 years Cunha Mbeumo Sesko Lammens Dorgu Heaven Ugarte Mazraoui De Ligt Yoro Zirkzee Mount Onana Hojlund Malacia Eriksen Martinez Casemiro Antony Sancho Varane Ronaldo Newcastle United signings over the last 5 years: Wissa Woltemade Elanga Thiaw Ramsey Vlachodimos Kelly Hall Osula Minteh Tonali Barnes Livramento Targett Pope Botman Isak Gordon Willock Trippier Wood Guimaraes Burn Who are the flops from both in your opinion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said: We're in the semi of a cup as defending champions, we should progress to the knock out phases of the CL and are in the 4th round of the other cup. So based on our cup run you could argue we're closer to Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City than West Ham. We can't compete effectively on all 4 fronts: CL, League, League Cup and FA cup. And neither can Villa. They're riding high in the league, the Europa is a doddle for PL teams, they're out of the league cup and hopefully out of the FA Cup. Yeah I agree. We're a very good cup team and can get ourselves for one off games, especially at home. The ties were favourable in that sense. But in the league we are as close to West Ham than we are to Villa - it's a fact. We may have a Villa 24/45 end to the season and finish top 6 again as there's still plenty time. I somehow doubt it though, especially given we can't compete on all 4 fronts as you say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Here are your flops: Sesko Dorgu Ugarte Mazraoui Yoro Zirkzee Mount Onana Hojlund Malacia Eriksen Martinez Casemiro Antony Sancho Varane Ronaldo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous Nick Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 we arent any better in league than mid table like Brentford, Fulham, Everton, Sunderland. that will need to change by end of May. we should e clear of these sides. I would set this target for Howe now. be at least 5-6 points clear of these sides and finish on 7th whatever it takes. otherwise its almost random if we are 8th or 14th. dont think its incredibly big ask to finish 7th with this squad. specially if we look at Tottenham and how bad they are thats one less side we need to worry about but it mught change is they bring new manager who brings a bounce... problem is in our next 6 PL games we have Brentford home, Tottenham away, City away, Man Utd home, Chelsea away, Sunderland home add in Villa away in FA cup and two Qarabag games for extra tiredness. worry is by end of this run we could e overtaken by all of Bournemouth, Brighton, Toottenham too and even fuckin Sunderland is hanging around front of us in the table. I fully expect us to beat Quarabag but then we face Chelsea or Barca. look at the calendar the CL last 16 rounds sandwiched right between this,, its gonna be madness to manage all of this for Howe just like this current PSG, Liverpool, City run... Chelsea away PL 1st leg of CL last 16 (= away to Chelsea or Barca) MU home PL 2nd leg CL last 16(= home vs Chelsea or Barca) Sunderland home PL while MU sits back all week same as Sunderland while we get run ragged in CL. this well could be a disaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Froggy said: Man United signings over the last 5 years Cunha Mbeumo Sesko Lammens Dorgu Heaven Ugarte Mazraoui De Ligt Yoro Zirkzee Mount Onana Hojlund Malacia Eriksen Martinez Casemiro Antony Sancho Varane Ronaldo Newcastle United signings over the last 5 years: Wissa Woltemade Elanga Thiaw Ramsey Vlachodimos Kelly Hall Osula Minteh Tonali Barnes Livramento Targett Pope Botman Isak Gordon Willock Trippier Wood Guimaraes Burn Who are the flops from both in your opinion? Can you put transfer fee and wages next to every player please. And also the sale price, if they're been sold on. And also show us a list of the players in your squad in Oct 2021 and also the players in our squad in Oct 2021. Include what they were signed for and what they were earning in wages. Thanks in advance. Edited February 2 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 3 minutes ago, Froggy said: Man United signings over the last 5 years Cunha Mbeumo Sesko Lammens Dorgu Heaven Ugarte Mazraoui De Ligt Yoro Zirkzee Mount Onana Hojlund Malacia Eriksen Martinez Casemiro Antony Sancho Varane Ronaldo Newcastle United signings over the last 5 years: Wissa Woltemade Elanga Thiaw Ramsey Vlachodimos Kelly Hall Osula Minteh Tonali Barnes Livramento Targett Pope Botman Isak Gordon Willock Trippier Wood Guimaraes Burn Who are the flops from both in your opinion? When you look at our signings, the overall strategy is incredibly risky. Not many sure things in there for a team with PSR limitations. we don’t really do many shrewd signings outside of Burn and Trippier. i know Bruno, Hall etc were excellent in hindsight but they were risky. Hall thought we would send back to Chelsea at one point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 minutes ago, healthyaddiction said: Here are your flops: Sesko Dorgu Ugarte Mazraoui Yoro Zirkzee Mount Onana Hojlund Malacia Eriksen Martinez Casemiro Antony Sancho Varane Ronaldo This man has not watched Man United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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