TRon Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kanji said: Love Howe calling Fraser “wee man” I’d be equally happy with all 3. Howe seems such a class and thoughtful manager. Part of me wants a manager who sees this job as an opportunity to do their best work - not a place where they are just here for a year or two or will always point back to older jobs. IDK. Will be so good to go back to having a manager who can speak with a modicum of intelligence after Rafa left. I know outsiders would rather have us represented by a fat friendly looking pig, but from our POV we want to get back to high standards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Regarding Howe, if he's that good, what the hell happened at Bournemouth then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, TRon said: Will be so good to go back to having a manager who can speak with a modicum of intelligence after Rafa left. I know outsiders would rather have us represented by a fat friendly looking pig, but from our POV we want to get back to high standards. friendly looking? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Dr Jinx said: Regarding Howe, if he's that good, what the hell happened at Bournemouth then? Take this comment and read this post. 6 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: I think the issue with those turning their noses up at Howe is that in this country fans and pundits alike evaluate and label managers on the final outcomes rather than looking at the context as a whole; same reason why people outside of Newcastle think that Bruce has 'done a good job' because we haven't been relegated yet whilst he's been in charge. People don't want to dig deeper as fully look at a manager's job as a whole. People see Brendan Rodgers as a bottler because of the 2014 title at Liverpool, losing out on top 4 with Leicester two years running, they see Pochettino as naff because he's never won any silverware and see Howe as poor because Bournemouth eventually got relegated. Bournemouth from administration to League 1 under Howe in his first spell iirc, then from League 1 to the Premier League in 3 seasons. In the Premier League they played nice stuff, and stayed there for 5 seasons which included a top half finish in 2016/17. Their relegation season they suffered from quite a few injuries, a number of which was unprecedented given their injury record in previous seasons. I think he's a really good coach and fits the ethos of club like us. I'd rather take a chance on Howe than a has been, but the has been's like Bruce, Allardyce, Pardew, Hughes, Pulis et cetera are a dying breed. Only Mike Ashley would continue to appoint these cunts. Even in the Championship, Thomas Frank at Brentford to now, Valérien Ismaël at Barnsley and West Brom, the young, progressive coaches are the way forward in the modern game now Howe was one of the first of them. He'd be a good appointment albeit not the most exciting we could make. And that's just because me personally gets excited by the unknown, Fonseca would excite me more as probably would Favre. But Howe would be a solid choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, Dr Jinx said: Regarding Howe, if he's that good, what the hell happened at Bournemouth then? People will cite injuries, which played its part but the whole model seemed to just run out of steam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Dokko said: friendly looking? Don't ask me mate, that's the reputation Bruce seems to have built up. He does always rush over to the opposition dugout to give them all a jolly handshake and foam flecked welcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Dr Jinx said: Regarding Howe, if he's that good, what the hell happened at Bournemouth then? Have a look at the number of goals Bournemouth conceeded in the premiership season after season, which crys out that he is not the correct coach for making a team solid - this is exactly what we need right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Also I think Howe was naive when it came to transfers. Jordan Ibe comes to mind. Perhaps a smarter approach in terms of transfers would help him do his job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Normally I detest pigeon-holing clubs in terms of where they should or shouldn't be, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think that they finished 9th and perhaps reached their ceiling. Given the stature of the club they were always going to be limited in terms of the calibre of player they could bring in/hang onto so you wonder just how much further they could have realistically gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, 54 said: Take this comment and read this post. That doesn’t really answer it though. People evaluating final outcomes when asking about what happened in the final outcome. I do think Haydn makes sense mind overall, but it’s unfair to assume that’s what the hang up is here in this case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, STM said: Also I think Howe was naive when it came to transfers. Jordan Ibe comes to mind. Perhaps a smarter approach in terms of transfers would help him do his job. Ibe and Solanke were absolutely terrible signings but like I said above, I think they probably had limitations in terms of who they can attract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, STM said: Also I think Howe was naive when it came to transfers. Jordan Ibe comes to mind. Perhaps a smarter approach in terms of transfers would help him do his job. Didn't Rafa go on record as saying he wanted to bring Ibe here but he chose Bournemouth? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 At this moment in time I would snap your hand off at any of those 3, this list of premiership ex-players turns my stomach. I just want a decent jump up the ladder of managers, let's be honest we're not getting someone like Pep this early into a takeover and we don't have to imagine whoever is coming in is the one that has the opportunity to take us to the league title in 5-10 years time. We need someone who will steady the ship, get us pointing the right way in the table and build the foundations of a team that will be comfortable next season and maybe push some of the top 8 teams. It's going to be a long process, it doesn't have to all be achieved by 1 manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Yorkie said: Normally I detest pigeon-holing clubs in terms of where they should or shouldn't be, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think that they finished 9th and perhaps reached their ceiling. Given the stature of the club they were always going to be limited in terms of the calibre of player they could bring in/hang onto so you wonder just how much further they could have realistically gone. Aye. Bournemouth were always going to go down eventually given the size of the club, a bit like Huddersfield were. To keep them in the league for 5 seasons whilst on the whole playing nice stuff is a hell of an achievement, because the last season went poorly due to injuries et cetera doesn't change that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 There were some decent transfers as well, mind. King, Brooks, Ramsdale, Ake off top of me head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, STM said: Also I think Howe was naive when it came to transfers. Jordan Ibe comes to mind. Perhaps a smarter approach in terms of transfers would help him do his job. Rafa tried to sign Ibe too mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Normally I detest pigeon-holing clubs in terms of where they should or shouldn't be, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think that they finished 9th and perhaps reached their ceiling. Given the stature of the club they were always going to be limited in terms of the calibre of player they could bring in/hang onto so you wonder just how much further they could have realistically gone. Absolutely. At a certain point you need more infrastructure, a bigger stadium, a bigger wage bill and fresh ideas at a boardroom level. How long was he there? 8 years or something. Astonishing really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I think Howe is on a very similar trajectory to Rodgers. Prior to his Leicester stint most would have turned their noses up at Rodgers I'm pretty sure. The defending for Rodger's Leicester teams hasn't been that consistently solid either has it? And most would be happy to have him come in. I don't know I could see Howe take a step forward with us but let's see who they ultimately choose before getting too deep into that convo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Not convinced by Howe. The only time he’s ventured from Bournemouth it didn’t go well. Some people find their place and do well. Anyone thought about Viera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, Kanji said: Rafa tried to sign Ibe too mate. Who for? Us? Rafa did sign the occasional shite mind and in fairness he probably won't Ibe at a much more reasonable price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Thomson Mouse said: Not convinced by Howe. The only time he’s ventured from Bournemouth it didn’t go well. Some people find their place and do well. Anyone thought about Viera? Read that twice as Vera. Ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Ibe and Solanke were absolutely terrible signings but like I said above, I think they probably had limitations in terms of who they can attract. Yes, they were bad, but more because of the fees really as they hadn't proved themselves enough. I did like that he was targeting young players that were performing well in the England under 21 setup, but they just paid way too much. Funnily enough Solanke seems like he is beginning to develop into their lead man upfront now. Just took him longer than they ultimately projected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Thomson Mouse said: Not convinced by Howe. The only time he’s ventured from Bournemouth it didn’t go well. Some people find their place and do well. Anyone thought about Viera? Wait ... Patrick Vieira? He's just joined Palace, doubt we'd make that move and he'd switch that quickly. That's looking like a risk that Palace took that is going to reap very good rewards from all indications so far. They look very impressive. We're going to have to take a similar risk, and I just hope we hit the jackpot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dokko said: Read that twice as Vera. Ffs. We've got Brenda Blethyn in charge now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Just now, KaKa said: Wait ... Patrick Vieira? He's just joined Palace, doubt we'd make that move and he'd switch that quickly. That's looking like a risk that Palace took that is going to reap very good rewards from all indications so far. They look very impressive. We're going to have to take a similar risk, and I just hope we hit the jackpot. Fair point, he’s been in a similar situation as we’ll go through and he’s got average players looking good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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