Eddie Howe

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

What am I reading in here sometimes man? ??. Man Utd finished above us last season despite their record against the top 9 sides. Did anyone seriously expect us to challenge for the title this year? I certainly didn’t, but I hoped we'd improve on last years results. However, apparently unlike a few on here, I expected that improvement to come from beating the likes of Palace, Bournemouth and the other smaller teams that parked the bus at St James'. 
 

Yes it would’ve been nice to beat Liverpool and City, but those results do not define how our season is going to pan out. And anyone trying to make any significant judgement on the team's ability or our managers potential based on such a small sample of results, needs their heads read. 
 

I'm honestly not sure if some posters genuinely believe what they’re writing, or if they genuinely think it’s the done thing to come out with ridiculous hot takes for hipster kudos or something. I mean I didn’t think I’d ever beat some of the bullshit takes on the likes of Pitchside YouTube and then I read this thread.

[The Prophet]

What is it Howe massively fucked up on Sunday? I don't understand why he has a black mark against him.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

1-1 would’ve been disappointing. 1-2 is a crumble. 
 

I rate Liverpool higher than most on here.  But after going 1-0 and then down to 10 men. We should’ve won no excuses. A draw wouldve been bad. Losing is a black mark for Howe and he will know it. 

Aye. 
 

Plenty of credit in the bank.  It’s early but that should be some type of nadir that we will recover from.  After the Brighton game we need to put some W’s together. Winning away at Brighton would be a fantastic start but that’s a free hit for me. 
 

Im behind him 100% as are 99.9% of fans 

 

"Shambles" is getting gubbed by 5 or 6 at home to this lot to the extent where the MotM and keeper kept the score down by at least half, and pissed him off to the extent he realised he had to get out of here.

 

Sunday was disappointing. We should have seen it out, but even though they're not the same Liverpool as 2-3 years ago, they still have a world-class manager and have the resources to hoy on a £70-80m centre-forward on to try and save the game.

 

Howe's brilliant. Fact. And we'll never have another boss like him. Someone who's basically a chilled out entertainer. 

 

 

[KaKa]

Here's a question:

 

If the cup final was 'too big' for Howe, and presumably not so for ten Hag.

 

Then what does ten Hag's 7 - 0 loss to Klopp mean then?

 

Tied for biggest loss in Man Utds history. Against their huge rivals in one of their biggest games every season. 

 

Surely this wouldn't happen to 'big enough' for the moment ten Hag.

[MrRaspberryJam]

4 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

"Shambles" is getting gubbed by 5 or 6 at home to this lot to the extent where the MotM and keeper kept the score down by at least half, and pissed him off to the extent he realised he had to get out of here.

 

Sunday was disappointing. We should have seen it out, but even though they're not the same Liverpool as 2-3 years ago, they still have a world-class manager and have the resources to hoy on a £70-80m centre-forward on to try and save the game.

 

Howe's brilliant. Fact. And we'll never have another boss like him. Someone who's basically a chilled out entertainer. 

 

 

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[OverThere]

If we don't drop a bollock against the teams in the lower reaches we would automatically improve on last year IMO. We drew a ton of games against some crappy teams.

 

Beating Man C etc is still not where we are at present.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, OverThere said:

If we don't drop a bollock against the teams in the lower reaches we would automatically improve on last year IMO. We drew a ton of games against some crappy teams.

 

Beating Man C etc is still not where we are at present.

 

We lost 5 in 12 against the top 7 last season and only won 3 so it's not like we have many points to "defend" this season and like you say, a helluva lot of draws against the rest of the league. I doubt we'll go another season unbeaten against the bottom 12 again but if we convert more of those draws we could easily improve on last season. 

[Theregulars]

3 hours ago, KaKa said:

Here's a question:

 

If the cup final was 'too big' for Howe, and presumably not so for ten Hag.

 

Then what does ten Hag's 7 - 0 loss to Klopp mean then?

 

Tied for biggest loss in Man Utds history. Against their huge rivals in one of their biggest games every season. 

 

Surely this wouldn't happen to 'big enough' for the moment ten Hag.

I don’t particularly rate Ten Hag. I’m not sure if it’s him or just Manchester United - I believe what Van Gaal says about it being a commercial operation, not a football club. 
 

I don’t think the cup final was too big in and of itself, I think the fact he’d never been there before and probably didn’t truly expect to get there was evident and the team looked a bit lacklustre as a result. Just an opinion. 

[duo]

Subs had nothing to do with us loosing the game. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Liverpool got lucky with a deflection for the first  I mean come on it couldn't have fallen any better for Nunez. And the second Bruno gave the ball away. Take nothing away from the finish. What this has to do with the subs I have no idea. 

[Displayname]

3 hours ago, The Prophet said:

What is it Howe massively fucked up on Sunday? I don't understand why he has a black mark against him.

Dont think he massively fucked up, but I was dissapointed in the intensity of our play. Thought it was really lacking considering we played over 60 minutes against 10 men at home. Seemed like we tried to control and slow the game down. May not be Howe's fault, he did say they were trying to go for another goal and end the game. Perhaps the fault lies more on the players letting the occasion get to them.

 

Or maybe im just wrong.

 

 

Edited August 29, 2023 by Displayname

[duo]

Just now, Displayname said:

Dont think he massively fucked up, but I was dissapointed in the intensity of our play. Thought it was really lacking considering we played over 60 minutes against 10 men at home. Seemed like we tried to control and slow the game down. May not be Howe's fault, he did say they were trying to go for another goal and end the game. Perhaps the fault lies more on the players letting the occasion get to them.

For 80 minutes Howes tactics were spot on. What lost us the game was bad luck, a worldie of a save and some sloppy play. Nothing that Howe has any control over. The fact that Klopp has said this is one of his greatest victories tells you how well we had controlled the game. Just luck wasn't on our side.

[Displayname]

17 minutes ago, duo said:

For 80 minutes Howes tactics were spot on. What lost us the game was bad luck, a worldie of a save and some sloppy play. Nothing that Howe has any control over. The fact that Klopp has said this is one of his greatest victories tells you how well we had controlled the game. Just luck wasn't on our side.

I actually dont think he did any mistakes the last 10 minutes. That last push was always going to come from Liverpool if we hadnt ended the game by then. Doesnt matter if we controlled the game 80 minutes prior.

[The Prophet]

7 hours ago, Displayname said:

Dont think he massively fucked up, but I was dissapointed in the intensity of our play. Thought it was really lacking considering we played over 60 minutes against 10 men at home. Seemed like we tried to control and slow the game down. May not be Howe's fault, he did say they were trying to go for another goal and end the game. Perhaps the fault lies more on the players letting the occasion get to them.

 

Or maybe im just wrong.

 

 

 

 

I don't think he was completely blameless, but it seems the results means some need to assign blame or black marks to individuals, when in truth a catalogue of factors contributed...

 

Howe - Was too passive or reluctant to make sufficient change when Liverpool took control of the midfield.

The players - On-field they seemed  reluctant to get at Liverpool, despite Howe instructing them otherwise.

Individual errors - The second goal was poor from Bruno and Burn in particular.

The opposition - Played really well and rode their luck with ten. Nunez's finish for the first was superb. 

Luck - Botman's interception hitting his back and bouncing off his heel was highly unfortunate. He then went off injured forcing a defensive reshuffle. Similarly Becker's save could have easily smashed the underside of the bar and gone in.

 

It was just the perfect storm of us not seizing the initiative, Liverpool playing as well as they could with ten and some bad luck along the way. We play that scenario out 100 times and we win more times than not. There's definitely things we could have done better but I don't think there's one glaring error in particular which cost us the game.

 

 

Edited August 30, 2023 by The Prophet

[Displayname]

17 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

I don't think he was completely blameless, but it seems the results means some need to assign blame or black marks to individuals, when in truth a catalogue of factors contributed...

 

Howe - Was too passive or reluctant to make sufficient change when Liverpool took control of the midfield.

The players - On-field they seemed  reluctant to get at Liverpool, despite Howe instructing them otherwise.

Individual errors - The second goal was poor from Bruno and Burn in particular.

The opposition - Played really well and rode their luck with ten. Nunez's finish for the first was superb. 

Luck - Botman's interception hitting his back and bouncing off his heel was highly unfortunate. He then went off injured forcing a defensive reshuffle. Similarly Becker's save could have easily smashed the underside of the bar and gone in.

 

It was just the perfect storm of us not seizing the initiative, Liverpool playing as well as they could with ten and some bad luck along the way. We play that scenario out 100 times and we win more times than not. There's definitely things we could have done better but I don't think there's one glaring error in particular which cost us the game.

 

 

 

Well i can only criticize what in under the teams control. What seemed to be our gameplan allowed for luck and quality of opposition to play the part it did.

 

Yes we would have won most games out of a 100, but if we had been more aggressive we would have won alot more i think. They were there for the taking being down to 10 men and playing with two subsistute CBs

[Cronky]

8 hours ago, duo said:

Subs had nothing to do with us loosing the game. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Liverpool got lucky with a deflection for the first  I mean come on it couldn't have fallen any better for Nunez. And the second Bruno gave the ball away. Take nothing away from the finish. What this has to do with the subs I have no idea. 

 

And with the first, the ball went in off the post.

 

In football, if you make subs and then lose the game, then the decision is to blame, and vice versa when you win. And if one of your subs actually scores, then it's a stroke of genius. 

 

Managers know their players and their systems, and will spot when someone is tiring much earlier than we do. The knack is to make the decision before the tiring player becomes a problem, rather than afterwards.

[TheBrownBottle]

While I’m sort of wishing I hadn’t read through some of this, as it is truly depressing, just a point on the Howe ‘elite or non-elite manager’ thing.

 

IMO, Howe is not at the moment an ‘elite’ manager.  To be that you win trophies - big ones.

 

But Howe is also the first English manager in decades who I’d be willing to back to become one.  The bloke is clearly a top level manager in-waiting.  Give him time, lads and lasses - and there will be worse runs than losing back-to-back to Man City & Liverpool down the line.  

[Displayname]

8 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

While I’m sort of wishing I hadn’t read through some of this, as it is truly depressing, just a point on the Howe ‘elite or non-elite manager’ thing.

 

IMO, Howe is not at the moment an ‘elite’ manager.  To be that you win trophies - big ones.

 

But Howe is also the first English manager in decades who I’d be willing to back to become one.  The bloke is clearly a top level manager in-waiting.  Give him time, lads and lasses - and there will be worse runs than losing back-to-back to Man City & Liverpool down the line.  

Actually think its wrong to say that he isnt an elite manager. Havent had the time/chance to prove he is one yet, but its an open question for me. 

What he has achieved with us is certainly elite level.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Displayname said:

Actually think its wrong to say that he isnt an elite manager. Havent had the time/chance to prove he is one yet, but its an open question for me. 

What he has achieved with us is certainly elite level.

It’s an open question and he hasn’t had time to prove it - then he isn’t.  Yet.

 

Qualifying for the European Cup isn’t elite level.  Winning the European Cup is. 

[Guest]

Not sure if he's "elite" but there's not many I'd swap him for. Guardiola in 5 years if we've not won anything yet, maybe.

[The Prophet]

It doesn't really matter if a few dweebs on the internet think he's "elite" or not, it's completely subjective. He's the right man for us at this moment.

 

Disclaimer: yes, I'm also an internet dweeb.

[Displayname]

20 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

It’s an open question and he hasn’t had time to prove it - then he isn’t.  Yet.

 

Qualifying for the European Cup isn’t elite level.  Winning the European Cup is. 

I think it is with the squad he got, but guess we have different interpretation of the word elite. For me its simply means being among the best, not some specific achievement.

 

 

Edited August 30, 2023 by Displayname

[KaKa]

52 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

While I’m sort of wishing I hadn’t read through some of this, as it is truly depressing, just a point on the Howe ‘elite or non-elite manager’ thing.

 

IMO, Howe is not at the moment an ‘elite’ manager.  To be that you win trophies - big ones.

 

But Howe is also the first English manager in decades who I’d be willing to back to become one.  The bloke is clearly a top level manager in-waiting.  Give him time, lads and lasses - and there will be worse runs than losing back-to-back to Man City & Liverpool down the line.  

 

Yep, we've clearly got one of the most promising managers in the league, but fans don't believe in any sort of patience anymore.

 

Everyone's in a rush 'to win things' so they can gloat on social media about trophies, being a big club and just winding up other fans in general.

 

Howe is clearly not an idiot and actually cares a lot about what he is doing and so will never just stand still where he is as a manager. On top of that he's already overachieved massively. Let the man do his thing, I find it very hard to believe we won't continue moving upwards.

[Kanj]

Happily stand up and say anyone questioning Howe can get in the fucking sea. Lost a game to Liverpool after a freak bounce off our top CB and an error by his best midfielder off two class strikes from a 70m striker. He’s probably put in 15+ hour work days since then identifying the issues, reading through old notes, creating action plans to fix those, and preparing for Brighton…sure beats dusting yourself off eh?
 

We all know we have 2 domestic cups, Champions league and 35 more PL games to play. So much football to enjoy this season.  
 

Seriously just take a step back people. The debating over elite or not elite seems entirely pointless. The debate over his big game management seems entirely pointless. He is in his second full season of managing a club who’s ambition is to compete with the top end of domestic and European competition and he’s still rebuilding the squad. Fuck sake. 
 

If you spent any time looking at the careers of other big managers you’d see everyone suffers gut wrenching defeats. 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2023 by Kanji

[Displayname]

1 hour ago, Kanji said:

Happily stand up and say anyone questioning Howe can get in the fucking sea. Lost a game to Liverpool after a freak bounce off our top CB and an error by his best midfielder off two class strikes from a 70m striker. He’s probably put in 15+ hour work days since then identifying the issues, reading through old notes, creating action plans to fix those, and preparing for Brighton…sure beats dusting yourself off eh?
 

We all know we have 2 domestic cups, Champions league and 35 more PL games to play. So much football to enjoy this season.  
 

Seriously just take a step back people. The debating over elite or not elite seems entirely pointless. The debate over his big game management seems entirely pointless. He is in his second full season of managing a club who’s ambition is to compete with the top end of domestic and European competition and he’s still rebuilding the squad. Fuck sake. 
 

If you spent any time looking at the careers of other big managers you’d see everyone suffers gut wrenching defeats. 

 

 

 

This is the attitude i got the impression that most of the people here got. Thanks for being honest.

[Pata]

19 hours ago, mighty__mag said:

Are the majority of those still blaming Eddie UK based or overseas?

 

I'm really curious. 

 

I'm only curious because I know in a lot of overseas sport, there's a lot of result driven fans, that's all that seems to matter to them, the bigger picture doesn't seem to register. 

 

As Brummie put it, zoom out a bit.

 

I'm sorry that we exist and even have the nerve to apply for tickets in the ballots.