Froggy Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 minute ago, gbandit said: At Man U, you’ve got Bruno Fernandes, world class. Kobbie Mainoo, looks quality. Hojlund, excellent target man striker with strength and pace as well. He’ll continue to develop. Garnacho is a fantastic player. Onana, poor keeper, your defence needs work, you need more quality in midfield. I think Ten Hag is shite in the transfer market. Hojlund was a good buy, Mason Mount shocking, Antony very poor buy, Onana, very poor buy. Those are major warning signs against Ten Hag Onana has massively improved lately, so I'd be giving him a chance. It's his first season, and we've had 21 different centre back combinations. Likewise with Mount, he hasn't been shocking, he's just been injured. Is Tonali a shocking signing because he's been unavailable? Antony, fully agree despite what he did yesterday. Our defence is just missing one more quality centre back. The likelyhood is that we won't renew Varane (sadly) and will sign a top quality centre back in the summer. Dalot (who will probably be our player of the season), Martinez, new CB and Shaw is a quality defence IMO. There is a lot made of how bad we're supposed to be defensively, but we've the fourth best defence in the league and that's with nearly two of them injured at all times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 2 minutes ago, Froggy said: Onana has massively improved lately, so I'd be giving him a chance. It's his first season, and we've had 21 different centre back combinations. Likewise with Mount, he hasn't been shocking, he's just been injured. Is Tonali a shocking signing because he's been unavailable? Antony, fully agree despite what he did yesterday. Our defence is just missing one more quality centre back. The likelyhood is that we won't renew Varane (sadly) and will sign a top quality centre back in the summer. Dalot (who will probably be our player of the season), Martinez, new CB and Shaw is a quality defence IMO. There is a lot made of how bad we're supposed to be defensively, but we've the fourth best defence in the league and that's with nearly two of them injured at all times. I’ve enjoyed our chat. I do massively rate Dalot too. Let’s see how your summer window goes and where we’re at this time next year with Ten Hag, Howe and Poch. Would be good if you could put a pin or reminder into the forum to come back to stuff a year later Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Prefer to put them into just tiers/groups with likely Arteta, Emery never going below that 2nd one, Poch swings to 3rd one often but he’s achieved a great deal in his career. The entire 3rd tier goes up and down and so on. Pep Klopp Arteta Emery Poch Howe ETH Ange De Zerbi Moyes O’Neil Franck Silva Iraola Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 4 minutes ago, gbandit said: I’ve enjoyed our chat. I do massively rate Dalot too. Let’s see how your summer window goes and where we’re at this time next year with Ten Hag, Howe and Poch. Would be good if you could put a pin or reminder into the forum to come back to stuff a year later I don't forget. I'll remind you when we win the treble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) Not done them all but for the bigger clubs I would rank like this . Not much in it though and I wouldn't swap Eddie for anyone barring the top two. Pep Klopp Arteta Emery Howe Postecoglou De Zebri Pochettino Erik Ten Hag Arteta needs to win the league or champions league to be put in the same bracket as Pep and Klopp. Edited March 18 by Geogaddi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 16 minutes ago, Froggy said: Is Tonali a shocking signing because he's been unavailable? According to some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 48 minutes ago, Froggy said: You can tell how much people hate Arteta like. Arsenal are top. Best attack and the best defence. The football they've been playing has been quality. Arteta has been class I'm not denying that, but I'm basing Emery as higher due to his career to date, Emery has won multiple European trophies, and have had success at multiple clubs. As good as Arteta has been, he's only won the FA Cup in his managerial career to date, and his clubs have fallen short over the last two seasons, that said I do think Arteta (along with Alonso) will be the best in class of the next generation of manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 54 said: Arteta has been class I'm not denying that, but I'm basing Emery as higher due to his career to date, Emery has won multiple European trophies, and have had success at multiple clubs. As good as Arteta has been, he's only won the FA Cup in his managerial career to date, and his clubs have fallen short over the last two seasons, that said I do think Arteta (along with Alonso) will be the best in class of the next generation of manager. Oh aye sorry. I was still in Bandit's mindset of judging them based on this season. I'd say it's harsh to have Arteta anywhere lower than top if we're basing it on now. Edited March 18 by Froggy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC91 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Would put Moyes alot higher than others. European campaigns with Everton and West Ham 20 years apart is impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 When a bot creates more activity in a thread than yourself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Just now, Conjo said: When a bot creates more activity in a thread than yourself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) I can only rank the jobs they've done at their clubs: Pep: A Klopp: A Arteta: B+ Emery: A-/B+ Ange : B ETH: C Moyes: B DeZerbi: B+ O'Neill: B Howe: B Howe finishes 10th it's a C+, qualify for Europe it's B+. Edited March 18 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 The elite Pep Klopp Top Level Managers Arteta Emery Might be really good and better than the rest Ange De Zerbi Solid Managers Silva Oniel Iraola Frank Average PL Managers with highs and lows Moyes Howe Nuno Ten Hag Poch Dyche Tough situation so hard to judge Kompany Glasner Edwards Absolute shit Wilder One of the reasons I want Howe out, is although he is good, the rest of the field are good too he doesnt stand out and the top 6 managers in this league are a level above him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 3 minutes ago, TRC said: One of the reasons I want Howe out, is although he is good, the rest of the field are good too he doesnt stand out and the top 6 managers in this league are a level above him. What is this based on exactly? Why is Emery a level above Howe? And how on Gods green earth is Frank above Howe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 minute ago, Froggy said: What is this based on exactly? Why is Emery a level above Howe? And how on Gods green earth is Frank above Howe? I think its clear Emery is well above Howe, just look at his resume. I rate Frank, they have had by far the worst injuries in the league this year and they have still done pretty well, always give the big teams a game and thats due to tactics. They are on a brutal run, but they have their second best player out, the worst keeper in the league and their full defence out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Howe has been at two clubs and done an incredible job at both, unless I've missed something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, The College Dropout said: Howe finishes 10th it's a C+, qualify for Europe it's B+. If Howe saved a club from relegation, qualified for the Champions League, then qualified for Europa despite an unprecedented injury crisis he'd get a B+. Generous. Edited March 18 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) Personally think it's this as things stand. I'm much more about bang for your buck, so achievements within context rather than just achievements alone, hence Klopp above Guardiola, Howe above, say, Postecoglou. Jurgen Klopp Pep Guardiola Unai Emery Mikel Arteta Eddie Howe Ange Postecoglou Mauricio Pochettino Erik Ten Hag David Moyes Roberto De Zerbi Marco Silva Sean Dyche Thomas Frank Nuno Espírito Santo Gary O’Neil Andoni Iraola Rob Edwards Vincent Kompany Oliver Glasner Chris Wilder Edited March 18 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 2 minutes ago, TRC said: I think its clear Emery is well above Howe, just look at his resume. I rate Frank, they have had by far the worst injuries in the league this year and they have still done pretty well, always give the big teams a game and thats due to tactics. They are on a brutal run, but they have their second best player out, the worst keeper in the league and their full defence out. Look at Howe's resume. You're focusing on trophies, which is fair enough. Mourinho has trophies though, and I'd take Howe every day of the week over him. What Howe achieved last year and at Bournemouth was miracle work IMO. If Ten Hag was sacked and the fans were given a choice between Emery or Howe, 99/100 would pick Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 19 minutes ago, TRC said: The elite Pep Klopp Top Level Managers Arteta Emery Might be really good and better than the rest Ange De Zerbi Solid Managers Silva Oniel Iraola Frank Average PL Managers with highs and lows Moyes Howe Nuno Ten Hag Poch Dyche Tough situation so hard to judge Kompany Glasner Edwards Absolute shit Wilder One of the reasons I want Howe out, is although he is good, the rest of the field are good too he doesnt stand out and the top 6 managers in this league are a level above him. Howay man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Emery is an odd one. Brilliant cup manager, but finishing 4th with Villa will probably be his best league-based achievement in around a decade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 These managers are in a higher category than Howe apparently Solid Managers Silva Oniel Iraola Frank Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Just now, The Prophet said: Emery is an odd one. Brilliant cup manager, but finishing 4th with Villa will probably be his best league-based achievement in around a decade. Was PSG his only job when he could realistically win the league? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 10 minutes ago, Froggy said: Look at Howe's resume. You're focusing on trophies, which is fair enough. Mourinho has trophies though, and I'd take Howe every day of the week over him. What Howe achieved last year and at Bournemouth was miracle work IMO. If Ten Hag was sacked and the fans were given a choice between Emery or Howe, 99/100 would pick Howe. Tbf to Mourinho. He has been an elite coach and will retire as one of the greatest coaches in the last 30 years. Past his peak and all that now and I hope we don't get him in. 14 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: If Howe saved a club from relegation, qualified for the Champions League, then qualified for Europa despite an unprecedented injury crisis he'd get a B+. Generous. I've only given A's to Klopp & Pep. For me Howe could only get an A with CL qualification or a Cup win this season. Couldn't ask for anything more. I think qualifying for Conference League would be a good season all things. Hence the B+. I missed someone out: 2 hours ago, The College Dropout said: I can only rank the jobs they've done at their clubs: Pep: A Klopp: A Arteta: B+ Emery: A-/B+ Ange : B ETH: C Moyes: B DeZerbi: B+ O'Neill: B Howe: B Poch: D Silva: B- Howe finishes 10th it's a C+, qualify for Europe it's B+. Poch hasn't done a good job in a long time as a coach now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I think comparing things based on outcomes is the worst thing about being a football fan by far. Very TalkSport. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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