Miercoles Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 hours ago, relámpago blanco said: He's clearly taller than Sterling in that picture and Sterling is pretty upright whilst Trippier is slouching and angling his body. More importantly, looking like three absolute dorks here, Jesus. This picture should never have been released. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 7 hours ago, relámpago blanco said: He's clearly taller than Sterling in that picture and Sterling is pretty upright whilst Trippier is slouching and angling his body. VAR Check is complete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, LionOfGosforth said: Need to draw the VAR lines to be sure Why do I think that Trippier looks like Wayne Rooney in this picture? Not that much, but a tiny bit.. Edited May 27, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, Erikse said: Why do I think that Trippier looks like Wayne Rooney in this picture? Not that much, but a tiny bit.. Cannot unsee it now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 14 hours ago, relámpago blanco said: He's clearly taller than Sterling in that picture and Sterling is pretty upright whilst Trippier is slouching and angling his body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 He’s not 5’10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Are people still talking about this? Thought it had been pretty much confirmed to be a wind up by a mackem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Im personally more invested in his height. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 @SEMTEX expert opinion on Trips height? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, Sempiternal said: @SEMTEX expert opinion on Trips height? My expert opinion is that this seems like a foolish conversation. It’s obvious to me, and anyone with even the most basic knowledge of quantum theory, that there are an infinite number of Kieran Trippier’s across the multiverse, and given the astronomical number of possible states in which Kieran Trippier can exist, it is inevitable that he’s about 5’9”. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 16 minutes ago, SEMTEX said: My expert opinion is that this seems like a foolish conversation. It’s obvious to me, and anyone with even the most basic knowledge of quantum theory, that there are an infinite number of Kieran Trippier’s across the multiverse, and given the astronomical number of possible states in which Kieran Trippier can exist, it is inevitable that he’s about 5’9”. I need Peter Singer’s opinion before I can let this go. My theory is Newcastle universe Trips is 5’8 and change, and I’m being generous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Sempiternal said: That's not trippier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 hours ago, relámpago blanco said: That's not trippier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 He’s in London with the squad. Hasn’t trained all week though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 According to this model Trippier provided a bigger on-ball value advantage relative to his position than anyone in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 All these silly stats are getting out of hand like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 What does on-ball value advantage mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 18 minutes ago, gbandit said: What does on-ball value advantage mean? Quote in short, it's a model that looks to assign a value to each action that takes place on the football pitch based on the positive (or negative) impact the action has on the team's likelihood of scoring (and conceding) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 On 27/05/2023 at 13:30, Sempiternal said: If I was going to trust anyone to measure me, it would be that absolute fucking waster Dele Alli, supervised by fellow fucking numb nut Phil Jones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, Smal said: If it’s incredibly accurate and the AI is a genius then that’s a useful stat but I wonder whether it just goes off hard stats like a ball loss that leads to a goal or something that leads to an assist. Sometimes a player miskicks a ball for example but it ends up working out, I doubt that gets calculated. Also, I wonder how well it accounts for players who take risks etc. I don’t get a hard on over stats in football to be honest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 18 minutes ago, gbandit said: If it’s incredibly accurate and the AI is a genius then that’s a useful stat but I wonder whether it just goes off hard stats like a ball loss that leads to a goal or something that leads to an assist. Sometimes a player miskicks a ball for example but it ends up working out, I doubt that gets calculated. Also, I wonder how well it accounts for players who take risks etc. I don’t get a hard on over stats in football to be honest None of these things are perfect, but it is quite advanced and goes off way more than hard stats. It's built on xG and xGA (as opposed to just goals and conceded goals) because that introduces more variables. It also looks at: pitch location (x and y coordinates, distance to goal, angle to goal) action context (set play, open play, etc.) whether the event was carried out while pressured from an opposition player body part used for the event (Head, Foot, etc.) On risk-taking: Quote An appropriate consideration of the opportunity cost of attempting high-risk actions and losing the ball. High-risk, high-reward players that are often key attackers on their team will be recognised and credited in this model – so long as the effect of their actions is a net benefit to the team overall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, gbandit said: If it’s incredibly accurate and the AI is a genius then that’s a useful stat but I wonder whether it just goes off hard stats like a ball loss that leads to a goal or something that leads to an assist. Sometimes a player miskicks a ball for example but it ends up working out, I doubt that gets calculated. Also, I wonder how well it accounts for players who take risks etc. I don’t get a hard on over stats in football to be honest football metrics definitely aren't for everyone and a lot of people just quote them to fit a narrative but I quite enjoy them all the same. I guess we have all these useful metrics like xG and xA etc. but they are exclusively measuring goalscoring and assisting. There are a lot of other actions in a game which increase/decrease the chance for your team to score which aren't measured by xG/xA (think carrying the ball to a more dangerous area, or passing the ball from a less dangerous area to a more dangerous area) and that's what all these possession value metrics (xThreat is another similar possession value metric) are trying to measure. The limitation is that it doesn't really tell you how good a player is. It tells you what their role is in a team more than anything. So Trippier is making much more valuable contributions than the average right back largely because we send a lot of our play through him - much more than the average team does anyway. Kevin De Bruyne is used as City's primary creator and penetrative passer so he scores highly, Brentford give the ball to Jensen to get it forward to Toney etc. They're mostly high risk, high reward players. If we used it as a measurement of ability then well... using xThreat we'd think that Ashley Westwood was one of the most threatening players in the Premier League a couple of seasons ago. It's useful to use to identify players who can fulfil a certain role though. If you want a left back who can do a similar role to what Trippier or TAA do on the right then Borna Sosa could be that guy etc. Edited June 1, 2023 by Smal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Smal said: football metrics definitely aren't for everyone and a lot of people just quote them to fit a narrative but I quite enjoy them all the same. I guess we have all these useful metrics like xG and xA etc. but they are exclusively measuring goalscoring and assisting. There are a lot of other actions in a game which increase/decrease the chance for your team to score which aren't measured by xG/xA (think carrying the ball to a more dangerous area, or passing the ball from a less dangerous area to a more dangerous area) and that's what all these possession value metrics (xThreat is another similar possession value metric) are trying to measure. The limitation is that it doesn't really tell you how good a player is. It tells you what their role is in a team more than anything. So Trippier is making much more valuable contributions than the average right back largely because we send a lot of our play through him - much more than the average team does anyway. Kevin De Bruyne is used as City's primary creator and penetrative passer so he scores highly, Brentford give the ball to Jensen to get it forward to Toney etc. They're mostly high risk, high reward players. If we used it as a measurement of ability then well... using xThreat we'd think that Ashley Westwood was one of the most threatening players in the Premier League a couple of seasons ago. It's useful to use to identify players who can fulfil a certain role though. If you want a left back who can do a similar role to what Trippier or TAA do on the right then Borna Sosa could be that guy etc. Trippier has been near top of all the chances created charts, which is fair. He does create them. However I'm pretty sure he's taken the highest amount of corners out of all players, and atleast for the last few months they weren't the best. I wonder how many of those that counts towards chances created. Also, why is Pope there? Does saves count? Edited June 1, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Erikse said: Trippier has been near top of all the chances created charts, which is fair. He does create them. However I'm pretty sure he's taken the highest amount of corners out of all players, and atleast for the last few months they weren't the best. I wonder how many of those that counts towards chances created. Also, why is Pope there? Does saves count? OBV measures actions which reduce the team's chance of conceding as well, yeah. On set-pieces, a player is assigned a negative OBV score for a corner taken that doesn't find a team mate as it has reduced the chance of scoring and increased the chance of conceding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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