Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Chris_R said: That's all well and good provided those revenue streams materialise and can cover the shortfall. But there's not an infinite amount we can grow revenue by, at a speed we dictate. It's a nice theory, but it's not a certainty to happen. Far from it. And we can't just keep saying we'll increase revenue streams by 4* every sale we make forever more. Well obviously not, but there will be further player trading alongside the increases in commercial revenue, which for the next few years the club can be fairly sure of, given the low base Ashley left us at. Remember the club are actually employing competent people now to manage this stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, Chris_R said: Well yes if we amortised his initial fee over a number of years and that's not fully paid yet, we still owe it. Every transfer is amortised over the contract length in terms of FFP regardless of when the club actually pays the money. We could have paid the £12 upfront or not paid them a penny yet and it wouldn't make a difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, Chris_R said: That's all well and good provided those revenue streams materialise and can cover the shortfall. But there's not an infinite amount we can grow revenue by, at a speed we dictate. It's a nice theory, but it's not a certainty to happen. Far from it. And we can't just keep saying we'll increase revenue streams by 4* every sale we make forever more. We have a new £35m+ revenue stream coming in the summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 28 minutes ago, nufcnick said: We have a new £35m+ revenue stream coming in the summer Great. But entirely not my point. My only point is that too many people think that amortisation just removes the future commitment. That you can repeatedly sell a player for £10m and that gives you £50m to spend, and that you can just keep doing this infinitely. That's a genuine position some seem to have. All I'm doing is pointing out it's nonsense. Sure, revenue will increase in future allowing more spending. But it would do that anyway without us selling Trippier, the two things aren't connected. Edited January 23 by Chris_R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lish007 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, The Prophet said: Good, shows him how much we want him.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 27 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I’d expect their next bid to be close to what we want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Bye Trip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 We're never going to get this much money for him again and we were probably going to move him on in the summer anyway. Given the reality where we are this season, it makes sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I’m okay with him making the move. I think it’ll help us out in reality. I’ll always love him for being one of the first through the door for our revolution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, oldtype said: We're never going to get this much money for him again and we were probably going to move him on in the summer anyway. Given the reality where we are this season, it makes sense. This is how I feel about Miggy, but I'm not sure this is true for Trippier. He could easily be our starting RB and captain for the first game next season. It also feels like we're potentially set at fullback for next season if we keep him. Trippier, Tino, Burn, Hall (presumably), and Targett (unless we can sell him, fingers crossed) provides options and cover. But if we sell him then suddenly Tino is the starting RB, the starting LB is one of those others, and we don't have a backup RB. Whereas with Miggy we know we want to upgrade RW anyway and I'm confident it's at or near the top of the club's list. He would be a nice squad option, but there are other ways to go about that (e.g. Gordon as a backup). With Trippier it feels like we're getting less money for a more important player that may also force us to invest more into his position in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 If they bid closer to 15 then I probably have to eat my own words. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 5 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: This is how I feel about Miggy, but I'm not sure this is true for Trippier. He could easily be our starting RB and captain for the first game next season. It also feels like we're potentially set at fullback for next season if we keep him. Trippier, Tino, Burn, Hall (presumably), and Targett (unless we can sell him, fingers crossed) provides options and cover. But if we sell him then suddenly Tino is the starting RB, the starting LB is one of those others, and we don't have a backup RB. Whereas with Miggy we know we want to upgrade RW anyway and I'm confident it's at or near the top of the club's list. He would be a nice squad option, but there are other ways to go about that (e.g. Gordon as a backup). With Trippier it feels like we're getting less money for a more important player that may also force us to invest more into his position in the summer. I don’t necessarily disagree but I also think we’re going to miss Miggy more than Tripps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, cubaricho said: I don’t necessarily disagree but I also think we’re going to miss Miggy more than Tripps. We won't miss Champions league and Carabao Cup Tripps. ........to soon ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 The problem is, going to tino first choice and Kraft backup massively weakens us. We need to sign a new right back. I assume we will do in summer anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, cubaricho said: I don’t necessarily disagree but I also think we’re going to miss Miggy more than Tripps. That feels linked to the fact that we have a promising replacement in place for one and the other leaves a big, unknown hole. I agree we're going to miss a lot of the work he does and it could be hard to find the right player, but spun another way... There's also far greater potential for a new RW to transform us whereas we're mostly hoping Tino can just match Trippier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 13 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: This is how I feel about Miggy, but I'm not sure this is true for Trippier. He could easily be our starting RB and captain for the first game next season. It also feels like we're potentially set at fullback for next season if we keep him. Trippier, Tino, Burn, Hall (presumably), and Targett (unless we can sell him, fingers crossed) provides options and cover. But if we sell him then suddenly Tino is the starting RB, the starting LB is one of those others, and we don't have a backup RB. Whereas with Miggy we know we want to upgrade RW anyway and I'm confident it's at or near the top of the club's list. He would be a nice squad option, but there are other ways to go about that (e.g. Gordon as a backup). With Trippier it feels like we're getting less money for a more important player that may also force us to invest more into his position in the summer. I'm sure we could figure something out at backup RB in the summer if we have to. I just don't think it makes sense to have Trippier blocking Livarmento's ascent to the starting role next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, Shearergol said: The problem is, going to tino first choice and Kraft backup massively weakens us. We need to sign a new right back. I assume we will do in summer anyway. Does it really though? Tino is seen as the long term replacement for Trippier, he's just stepping up 18 months earlier than planned. He's been a belting signing but getting our money back on a now 33 year old who wants away anyway is a no brainer for all concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 12 minutes ago, cubaricho said: I don’t necessarily disagree but I also think we’re going to miss Miggy more than Tripps. Depends who we replace them with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Shearergol said: The problem is, going to tino first choice and Kraft backup massively weakens us. We need to sign a new right back. I assume we will do in summer anyway. Yes. I'm worried by the assumption that further injuries wont happen. If we leave a position light, knowing us this season, they almost certainly will. Edited January 23 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 16 minutes ago, Shearergol said: The problem is, going to tino first choice and Kraft backup massively weakens us. We need to sign a new right back. I assume we will do in summer anyway. This is crazy to me. Is the new RB you want a starter or a backup? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, Weezertron said: This is crazy to me. Is the new RB you want a starter or a backup? Why is it crazy? Krafth isn't good enough for where we want to be, yes that's as a backup player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 It looks very much like the writing is on the wall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, oldtype said: The "all of our creativity comes from our 33-year-old right back" model was never going to be sustainable anyway. We have other creative players, they can step up to fill the void. We have a whole half-season with relatively low expectations for Howe to figure it out. We have other creative players? No we don’t! Sellinf Tripps allows us 1 good player for 1 year of the amortisation cost. It’s not a silver bullet to our transfer woes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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