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Albert was great, so classy and different to what we'd had before. I also have a bit of a soft spot for Howey. He came into the side early in the 92/93 season and I recall being amazed at how easily he transitioned from a modest Forward the season before to a dominant CB.

 

Think it was Luton at home around the third or fourth game of that season and he just bossed Mick Harford around like he'd been a CB all his career. Not gonna try to compare him to Botman or Woodgate like but I found him infinitely preferable as a basic defender to someone like Colo.

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  On 25/09/2023 at 21:52, LionOfGosforth said:

Albert was great, so classy and different to what we'd had before. I also have a bit of a soft spot for Howey. He came into the side early in the 92/93 season and I recall being amazed at how easily he transitioned from a modest Forward the season before to a dominant CB.

 

Think it was Luton at home around the third or fourth game of that season and he just bossed Mick Harford around like he'd been a CB all his career. Not gonna try to compare him to Botman or Woodgate like but I found him infinitely preferable as a basic defender to someone like Colo.

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Aye, if howey had stayed fit I think he would have excelled. Great era that was of local lads with clark, watson, and Elliott. Even alan Thompson was a canny player 

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  On 25/09/2023 at 22:03, Pancrate1892 said:

Aye, if howey had stayed fit I think he would have excelled. Great era that was of local lads with clark, watson, and Elliott. Even alan Thompson was a canny player 

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All top notch local talent. Alan Thompson was a cracking player, hated that he had to leave to excel at places like Bolton and Villa. 

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  On 26/09/2023 at 08:58, r0cafella said:

As others have said, Woodgate had it all bar the body and the rumoured professionalism.
 

It speaks volumes that even being a crock Real Madrid still coughed up 15+m for him.  

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Great player but between the body, booze and bugle he was never destined to have the career of a Terry, Ferdinand or Campbell despite being more talented than any of them.

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I don't think he was more talented than them all like.

 

Over time, I've had less respect for Woodgate as a player due to the lack of professionalism. I can be more forgiving of a forward with a lack of professionalism than a defender. You need that little something as an attacker. As a defender. Being orderly is part of your job. If it's to the point it's impacting your fitness, it's down to you.

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  On 26/09/2023 at 09:50, The College Dropout said:

I don't think he was more talented than them all like.

 

Over time, I've had less respect for Woodgate as a player due to the lack of professionalism. I can be more forgiving of a forward with a lack of professionalism than a defender. You need that little something as an attacker. As a defender. Being orderly is part of your job. If it's to the point it's impacting your fitness, it's down to you.

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All great defenders but personally think Woodgate had uncanny ability. His marshalling of Drogba in the 0-0 at SJP in the UEFA Cup semi final was unreal. Compare that to the shitshow at the Velodrome once we had to rely on Hughsie, AO’B and Bumble.

 

Agree that his off field antics mean he was potentially the architect of his own downfall but was it chicken or egg around injuries causing indiscretions or indiscretions causing injuries?

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  On 26/09/2023 at 09:56, Nucasol said:

All great defenders but personally think Woodgate had uncanny ability. His marshalling of Drogba in the 0-0 at SJP in the UEFA Cup semi final was unreal. Compare that to the shitshow at the Velodrome once we had to rely on Hughsie, AO’B and Bumble.

 

Agree that his off field antics mean he was potentially the architect of his own downfall but was it chicken or egg around injuries causing indiscretions or indiscretions causing injuries?

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Well him and his mate Lee Bowyer had a  huge ‘indiscretion’ pre-injuries when at Leeds. 

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In my late teens/early twenties Venison was my favourite centre-half. Some people class him as a full-back but he switched over and was immense. Got an England call-up at that position too. His performance at Villa when we won 2-0 in October 1993, and Woodgate's when we won 2-0 at Charlton in March of 2003 are the best two NUFC centre-half performances I've seen live.

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  On 26/09/2023 at 13:54, Elma said:

In my late teens/early twenties Venison was my favourite centre-half. Some people class him as a full-back but he switched over and was immense. Got an England call-up at that position too. His performance at Villa when we won 2-0 in October 1993, and Woodgate's when we won 2-0 at Charlton in March of 2003 are the best two NUFC centre-half performances I've seen live.

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If the England call up was the game against USA he'd moved into centre mid by then and was bloody good there as well. Remembered as a right back bit played long spells and was better at Centre half and centre mid for us.

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