WillingtonMag Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, KaKa said: What happens when they all start getting injured, and we're left playing the likes of Chris Wood? Suppose any player can get injured think Ekitekes has had as many Injuries as he has lately? I'm not saying I'd prefer him to a younger player but if we've tried and can't get them to come no way would I be turning my nose up at him. Even If we get 2 seasons out of him he could be worth it his goal scoring record is class. Edited July 15, 2022 by WillingtonMag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, KaKa said: What happens when they all start getting injured, and we're left playing the likes of Chris Wood? 31 isn't like being a pensioner, their bones don't start getting brittle at that age. I mean if you were talking about a 34 yr old I would get it. But if Zapata is injury prone, then yes you want to avoid, same as you would if he was 27. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed210 Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Just now, WillingtonMag said: Suppose any player can get injured think Ekitekes has had as many Injuries as he has lately? I'm not saying I'd prefer him to a younger player but if we've tried and can't get them to come no way would I be turning my nose up at him. Even If we get 2 seasons out of him he could be worth it his goal scoring recording is class. hang on a minute, I thought he was killed in a drink drive accident with his agent? Is that not true? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, WarrenBartonCentrePartin said: Everton, West Ham and maybe us the 3 pl offers ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, gdm said: Going down the cheaper route then possibly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: Everton, West Ham and maybe us the 3 pl offers ? Hope not. Will be so relieved if/when he signs for someone else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Admittedly based on not very much at all, I don’t want Lingard. Despite his wealth of experience I just can’t see him being a positive influence, particularly off the field. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, WarrenBartonCentrePartin said: I have a sneaky feeling he'll end up back at West Ham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Just now, TRon said: 31 isn't like being a pensioner, their bones don't start getting brittle at that age. I mean if you were talking about a 34 yr old I would get it. But if Zapata is injury prone, then yes you want to avoid, same as you would if he was 27. There is a greater risk with older players as well as a typically longer recovery period also. We already have one injury prone striker and one who most of us don't want to see playing too often at all. I don't think we should be bringing in for a high fee and wages, a 31 year old striker that is coming from a much slower paced league. I think there's a decent chance his fitness becomes an issue, and we can't afford that. It was actually a fear of mine with Trippier coming back to the Prem from Spain last January, and sure enough, he got injured. We were just very fortunate Krafth stepped up under Howe and performed really well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, KaKa said: It's actually embarrassing that they can be so clueless. How could we possibly go and sign yet another 30 year old striker. Such a lazy link from someone that's not paid any attention to what the club is doing. Awful stuff. Just throwing out made up articles for clicks. Actually totally disagree with this. Bare in mind our very short term target is probably 8th places at best then signing a proven albeit aging striker is no less sensible than signing a young unproven striker - as long as they offer us something in helping us achieve that goal, which Zapata would. What is apparent, is that out and out strikers of the 'right profile' - ie young and proven- are at an absolute premium price wise (and availibltiy for that matter) which we've seen with Isak, Vlahovic, Oshimen, Nunez and even a discounted Haaland going for 70 odd million, which at this point in time seems incompatible with our current spending ability. Personally see no reason why getting someone like Zapata who offers presence on the pitch in the form of pace, strength and work rate wouldn't be savvy business for the next couple of years we aim for 8th and give us time to grow our revenue to be big enough to actually splurge when we need to make that bigger push for European places. Edited July 15, 2022 by Thumbheed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 minute ago, KaKa said: There is a greater risk with older players as well as a typically longer recovery period also. We already have one injury prone striker and one who most of us don't want to see playing too often at all. I don't think we should be bringing in for a high fee and wages, a 31 year old striker that is coming from a much slower paced league. I think there's a decent chance his fitness becomes an issue, and we can't afford that. It was actually a fear of mine with Trippier coming back to the Prem from Spain last January, and sure enough, he got injured. We were just very fortunate Krafth stepped up under Howe and performed really well. Are players more likely to break a bone in their foot when tackling in their early 30s than their early 20s ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Just now, madras said: Are players more likely to break a bone in their foot when tackling in their early 30s than their early 20s ? Yes, definitely. Happy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 minute ago, KaKa said: Yes, definitely. Happy? It was a freak Injury though wasn't it not like breaking down with muscle tears and strains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I have a sneaky feeling he'll end up back at West Ham. I wonder if a saudi club will sign him then loan him to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said: Admittedly based on not very much at all, I don’t want Lingard. Despite his wealth of experience I just can’t see him being a positive influence, particularly off the field. It's based entirely on fans not liking him off the field. There's nothing whatsoever to suggest he'd be a bad influence within the club like, only the opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Not that I'd want him either, like. Signings like Diego Carlos, Zapata, and Lingard were surely January only signings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Just now, Kid Icarus said: It's based entirely on fans not liking him off the field. There's nothing whatsoever to suggest he'd be a bad influence within the club like, only the opposite. For me it’s based on him having played well for about 5 months in his whole career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Just now, SUPERTOON said: For me it’s based on him having played well for about 5 months in his whole career. Fair enough like, I was only replying to the comment about him not being a positive influence though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Surely Howe will get asked about transfers today. Be interesting to see if he gives out away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Just now, Kid Icarus said: Fair enough like, I was only replying to the comment about him not being a positive influence though. Yeah didn’t see your comment underneath till after I posted ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KaKa Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Thumbheed said: Actually totally disagree with this. Bare in mind our very short term target is probably 8th places at best then signing a proven albeit aging striker is no less sensible than signing a young unproven striker - as long as they offer us something in helping us achieve that goal, which Zapata would. What is apparent, is that out and out strikers of the 'right profile' - ie young and proven- are at an absolute premium price wise (and availibltiy for that matter) which we've seen with Isak, Vlahovic, Oshimen, Nunez and even a discounted Haaland going for 70 odd million, which at this point in time seems incompatible with our spending ability. Personally see no reason why getting someone like Zapata who offers presence on the pitch in the form of pace, strength and work rate wouldn't be savvy business for the next couple of years we aim for 8th and give us time to grow our revenue to be big enough to actually splurge when we need to make that bigger push for European places. I don't see it. So Zapata comes in for significant money and wages, and then what ... backs up Wilson? Or puts one of our better players in Wilson on the bench? Why put so much money into that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Willock > Lingard anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 minute ago, KaKa said: I don't see it. So Zapata comes in for significant money and wages, and then what ... backs up Wilson? Or puts one of our better players in Wilson on the bench? Why put so much money into that? Competition, options, 5 subs and cover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 44 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: If resale value didn't matter Man City wouldn't be selling players when they're keen to move on before their value goes. Every club has to operate within FFP now and buy and sell efficiently and intelligently. Liverpool have been remarkable at this in recent years. We have no cheat code like Man City did when they were able to leapfrog straight into the CL in two seasons. Unless we think we can make the CL in the next two seasons with our signings then it is far too risky to weight the age of the squad so highly. The sensible model is something much closer to what Leipzig have done in recent years. Not saying you're wrong because it would obviously be more economically sound to buy good young players, but if we can't get the ones that are going to improve us what do we do then? Keep going down the list of options until we end up with Rivieire and Cabella, or sign a few players who don't guarantee resale value but, in the name of progress, will improve us in the short term? You've said yourself that we're starting from ground zero so I can see them being flexible, and they have been so far - they've signed 'old', 'peak' and young. Steadfastly sticking to a 'resale value only' policy in our current position sounds a bit Mike Ashley. Besides, the average age is still being addressed to some extent if it's Gayle out and Zapata in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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