elbee909 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: You would rather sign a player based on his vaccine status than his performances? I don't think Weghorst was ever looked at like. Straw man argument. But I personally wouldn't hire someone who wouldn't vaccinate, assuming their status is down to refusal to do so - because the well-being of everyone else in the organisation is a massive consideration and I'm not sure I'd employ someone who doesn't care about that. Character is important. If performance and goals were the only priorities when it comes to hiring we'd end up with a bunch of shitehawks. Again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just my opinion but I'm bemused, a tad, why some people are on such a downer for him. It's clear what went on with his signing. Call it a panic buy if you want but, with Wilson out, all we had was Gayle. They went out and bought a striker that, if they paid the release fee, the purchase of couldn't be blocked. Simple as. With him "in the bank" so to speak they spent the rest of the window trying to upgrade. Knowing full well, given all the obstacles, that buying a top striker would be difficult. It proved so. Fair play to them. Fair play to him because he's honest and realistic. Even read on here someone saying we're unbeaten "in spite of Wood" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyne81 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, elbee909 said: Straw man argument. But I personally wouldn't hire someone who wouldn't vaccinate, assuming their status is down to refusal to do so - because the well-being of everyone else in the organisation is a massive consideration and I'm not sure I'd employ someone who doesn't care about that. Character is important. If performance and goals were the only priorities when it comes to hiring we'd end up with a bunch of shitehawks. Again. As much as I can see your point, what happened to freedom of choice in what you chose to put into your body? Especially from professional athletes. Seems a very draconian outlook from some people on the vaccine. Dark route to go down. I'm triple vaxxed btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Tyne81 said: As much as I can see your point, what happened to freedom of choice in what you chose to put into your body? Especially from professional athletes. Seems a very draconian outlook from some people on the vaccine. Dark route to go down. I'm triple vaxxed btw. He has freedom of choice. So do the decision makers at any club who can decide that someone who is refusing the vaccine may be risking the health of teammates and may have a bit of a character flaw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tyne81 said: As much as I can see your point, what happened to freedom of choice in what you chose to put into your body? Especially from professional athletes. Seems a very draconian outlook from some people on the vaccine. Dark route to go down. I'm triple vaxxed btw. Totally free not to vaccinate. But then you don't get to swan about mixing with others. What about the freedom of others not to be infected by some muppet crying 'my personal freedoms' etc. Anyway. Massive derailment so will leave it there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tyne81 said: As much as I can see your point, what happened to freedom of choice in what you chose to put into your body? Especially from professional athletes. Seems a very draconian outlook from some people on the vaccine. Dark route to go down. I'm triple vaxxed btw. These people are in a cult, where vaccine status (and mandates) have given them one more thing to feel morally superior about over others. And they don’t care, never have, about basic freedoms which were codified in the Nuremberg Laws (freedom to not have anything put into your body via force or coercion). I’m fully vaxxed as well. And I find it amusing how these people love to bring up politics and vaccine mandates in non-political and non-covid related conversations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Not being able to be employed without being injected is the very definition of coercion. In no other walk of life is it legal to discriminate against anyone from being hired based on their medical status. An employer shouldn’t even be asking your fucking vaccination status. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Cult, no. Morally superior, no. Not caring about basic freedoms: no. Brought up vax in thread, no. Otherwise fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just now, elbee909 said: Cult, no. Morally superior, no. Not caring about basic freedoms: no. Brought up vax in thread, no. Otherwise fair enough. Fair enough. There’s enough rhetoric turned up to 11 about all this. We can agree to disagree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I think the clincher was Wood's familiarity with the league anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, DJ_NUFC said: Not being able to be employed without being injected is the very definition of coercion. In no other walk of life is it legal to discriminate against anyone from being hired based on their medical status. An employer shouldn’t even be asking your fucking vaccination status. Front line NHS staff have HAD to be vaccinated against a number of diseases for decades. Your chatting shit mate. It's a personal choice. Don't have it by all means but don't bleat on when employers, exercising their very own freedom, don't want you. Freedom of speech, like freedom of choice has consequences. Just now, elbee909 said: I think the clincher was Wood's familiarity with the league anyway. and he's fully vaccinated, yaaaaaay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Still think he'll start bagging goals anyway tbh. Nothing's really changed for me. Definitely need to create more for him though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, DJ_NUFC said: These people are in a cult, where vaccine status (and mandates) have given them one more thing to feel morally superior about over others. And they don’t care, never have, about basic freedoms which were codified in the Nuremberg Laws (freedom to not have anything put into your body via force or coercion). I’m fully vaxxed as well. And I find it amusing how these people love to bring up politics and vaccine mandates in non-political and non-covid related conversations. Seen a few videos of complete fucking knackers reading out this kind of shit, and even more about the Pope, to frontline hospital staff who've been busting their balls trying to save lives. Loons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Still think he'll start bagging goals anyway tbh. Nothing's really changed for me. Definitely need to create more for him though. The service to him on Saturday was particularly bad. The amount of floaty, mis-hit crosses was frustrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Front line NHS staff have HAD to be vaccinated against a number of diseases for decades. Your chatting shit mate. It's a personal choice. Don't have it by all means but don't bleat on when employers, exercising their very own freedom, don't want you. Freedom of speech, like freedom of choice has consequences. and he's fully vaccinated, yaaaaaay I should’ve added the caveat there are a handful of professions where age old (not new, thoroughly tested) vaccines are required for employment — wife is a nurse, who is not only fully covid vaxxed but was always up to date on her other vaccinations as well. You have absolutely no idea how many nurses and doctors do not want the covid vaccine, and disagree with the mandates. None. But please, carry on thinking your view is the only one accepted, and that government mandates are the way to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, DJ_NUFC said: I should’ve added the caveat there are a handful of professions where age old (not new, thoroughly tested) vaccines are required for employment — wife is a nurse, who is not only fully covid vaxxed but was always up to date on her other vaccinations as well. You have absolutely no idea how many nurses and doctors do not want the covid vaccine, and disagree with the mandates. None. But please, carry on thinking your view is the only one accepted, and that government mandates are the way to go. Oh for a caveat. My wife's a nurse as well and I'm well aware of the numbers, thanks anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 All of you with your nurse fetishes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Skeletor said: All of you with your nurse fetishes. Can’t deny that ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) If I ever get a nurse stripper again I'm making sure she is triple vaxxed after the revelations in here. Edit: New page sexual deviant. Edited February 21, 2022 by NE27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Skeletor said: All of you with your nurse fetishes. Been married twice. Both nurses. Make of that what you will but keep it clean. The bairn reads this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, NE27 said: If I ever get a nurse stripper again I'm making sure she is triple vaxxed after the revelations in here. Edit: New page sexual deviant. Like Wood though, you'll have very few chances to score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, DJ_NUFC said: Not being able to be employed without being injected is the very definition of coercion. In no other walk of life is it legal to discriminate against anyone from being hired based on their medical status. An employer shouldn’t even be asking your fucking vaccination status. There are loads of jobs that require people to pass a medical for employment. Other than the fact that it's his own choice to leave himself at 10x or higher risk of becoming severely ill with covid, and higher risk of passing on to his teammates, how is it different to not signing a Demba Ba because his knee could explode at any time? Edited February 21, 2022 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, elbee909 said: Like Wood though, you'll have very few chances to score. But I try hard and make cat noises Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: There are loads of jobs that require people to pass a medical for employment. Other than the fact that it's his own choice to leave himself and 10x or higher risk of becoming severely ill with covid, and higher risk of passing on to his teammates, how is it different to not signing a Demba Ba because his knee could explode at any time? I know you’re coming from a genuine place of concern, but this forum is literally one of my few places of escape from the constant covid debates, political insanity and outright state of governmental fascism in my home country of Canada right now. So while I’d love to go back and forth sending articles and studies showing statistically-negligible rates of transmission between the vaxxed and unvaxxed, and/or the latest data coming out of Israel showing waning efficacy of 4 shots after 6 months, etc., I don’t think I want to continue this on this website any longer. Others are free to take up the mantle. I would rather go back to the state of bliss that football provides — especially as it has only just returned to this state after 14 years of hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, DJ_NUFC said: I know you’re coming from a genuine place of concern, but this forum is literally one of my few places of escape from the constant covid debates, political insanity and outright state of governmental fascism in my home country of Canada right now. So while I’d love to go back and forth sending articles and studies showing statistically-negligible rates of transmission between the vaxxed and unvaxxed, and/or the latest data coming out of Israel showing waning efficacy of 4 shots after 6 months, etc., I don’t think I want to continue this on this website any longer. Others are free to take up the mantle. I would rather go back to the state of bliss that football provides — especially as it has only just returned to this state after 14 years of hell. Bs. Take this crap to some other forum. I am so sick of fucking plague rats complaining about "fascism". You want to talk about football, talk sbout football. You want to air greivances, fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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