Gallowgate Toon Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 He looks like when he was injured 2/3s into 22/23. I do wonder if protecting him more while he gets through this patch would be a good move. Wouldn't be against a 4-2-3-1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 Didn't see the game today but seems pretty plausible that he's becoming burnt out? Been playing basically constantly for years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 He didn’t have a bad game today except for the mistake at the end. Refs seems to have stopped giving him free kicks for rolling his opponent and going down though, which is a shame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 The problem to me isn't his pace as much as how long it takes him sometimes to release the ball, in his position pace isn't needed as much as the abillity to pick out a pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 21/09/2024 at 17:14, Newcastle Fan said: The problem to me isn't his pace as much as how long it takes him sometimes to release the ball, in his position pace isn't needed as much as the abillity to pick out a pass. Expand Thats a general theme with a number of our players - it actually really annoys me how long they hold the ball for We literally can’t seem to string any passes together Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 21/09/2024 at 17:01, Gallowgate Toon said: He looks like when he was injured 2/3s into 22/23. I do wonder if protecting him more while he gets through this patch would be a good move. Wouldn't be against a 4-2-3-1. Expand I'd love to see us play 4-2-3-1. We need that protection In front of the back 4 as the amount of times we're hurt or nearly hurt by that huge gap between defence and midfield is so alarming. Bruno and Tonali playing there would be fantastic I feel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 He'll be Geremi tier slow by 30. Then he'll Rooney himself with Kinder bars post retirement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 21/09/2024 at 17:20, Scoot said: I'd love to see us play 4-2-3-1. We need that protection In front of the back 4 as the amount of times we're hurt or nearly hurt by that huge gap between defence and midfield is so alarming. Bruno and Tonali playing there would be fantastic I feel. Expand This a million times over - Bruno and Tonali hold - then Willock or Big Joe in front to support Isak We simply can’t continue with a flat 3 - it’s hurting us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 21/09/2024 at 17:27, Mikky said: We simply can’t continue with a flat 3 - it’s hurting us Expand We said this a year ago when Brighton turned us over though. Nothing gets done about it. It’s 4–3-3 or nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 I just want to see his quality on the ball further up the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 21/09/2024 at 17:30, Ronaldo said: We said this a year ago when Brighton turned us over though. Nothing gets done about it. It’s 4–3-3 or nothing. Expand It’s actually really worrying - we simply haven’t evolved - to play a flat 3 you need to be good in possession - we can hardly string a couple of passes together it seems - the fact that he’s making subs after 45 mins now suggests to me that EH is getting worried - that’s not a good sign either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 21/09/2024 at 17:35, Mikky said: It’s actually really worrying - we simply haven’t evolved - to play a flat 3 you need to be good in possession - we can hardly string a couple of passes together it seems - the fact that he’s making subs after 45 mins now suggests to me that EH is getting worried - that’s not a good sign either Expand We stood still in the summer CB CM RW needed refreshing - we couldn’t do it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 21/09/2024 at 17:30, Ronaldo said: We said this a year ago when Brighton turned us over though. Nothing gets done about it. It’s 4–3-3 or nothing. Expand I don't think it's too much to do with the formation but rather our application. We simply haven't pressed well enough and won the ball as high up on the pitch as possible. The change of formation at half time certainly helped but I don't think it or any other personnel adjustment would make a great bit if difference at this stage, we need more intensity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 21/09/2024 at 17:43, Thumbheed said: I don't think it's too much to do with the formation but rather our application. We simply haven't pressed well enough and won the ball as high up on the pitch as possible. The change of formation at half time certainly helped but I don't think it or any other personnel adjustment would make a great bit if difference at this stage, we need more intensity. Expand There’s been zero pressing all season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 I think we're petrified of making Isak press too much his hamstring will go and we'll lose him for a considerable amount of time I don't think he's the best 'presser' anyway. It's not his game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 21/09/2024 at 18:02, Mikky said: There’s been zero pressing all season Expand Not as a team atleast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 21/09/2024 at 18:04, joeyt said: I think we're petrified of making Isak press too much his hamstring will go and we'll lose him for a considerable amount of time I don't think he's the best 'presser' anyway. It's not his game Expand He showed against Wolves at home 2 years ago how good he can be at it when we unleash him but I think you're right, we're protecting him or he's protecting himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 21/09/2024 at 17:39, Mikky said: We stood still in the summer CB CM RW needed refreshing - we couldn’t do it Expand I guess Tonali was considered the new CM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 21/09/2024 at 18:02, Mikky said: There’s been zero pressing all season Expand Basically. I dunno if it's a strategy or a failing at this point. Firmly bekeive, there'll be a 'click' moment though, Barnes aside there doesn't really look like a single player who's in any sort of form at the moment. Once people get into gear it'll come, I hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 21/09/2024 at 18:11, Thumbheed said: Basically. I dunno if it's a strategy or a failing at this point. Firmly bekeive, there'll be a 'click' moment though, Barnes aside there doesn't really look like a single player who's in any sort of form at the moment. Once people get into gear it'll come, I hope. Expand Dont even want to think about how depressing shit would look without Barnes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 21/09/2024 at 17:35, Mikky said: It’s actually really worrying - we simply haven’t evolved - to play a flat 3 you need to be good in possession - we can hardly string a couple of passes together it seems - the fact that he’s making subs after 45 mins now suggests to me that EH is getting worried - that’s not a good sign either Expand We used a flat 3 in the season we finished 4th (with the same personnel) we also had the quickest times from winning possession to getting a shot away. We need to evolve as teams will adapt to it and I believe Tonali was to be a large part of that evolution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 21/09/2024 at 17:05, AyeDubbleYoo said: He didn’t have a bad game today except for the mistake at the end. Refs seems to have stopped giving him free kicks for rolling his opponent and going down though, which is a shame. Expand He was awful today. Stop kidding yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 21/09/2024 at 20:40, nemtizz said: Expand Honestly, if there is something we as fans should take some comfort in, we have a bunch of guys who needed this kick in the teeth and this should push us on. We have never had bad eggs under Howe. We have real leaders and real dressing room togetherness on and off the pitch. The boys will solve this and we’ll kick on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 21/09/2024 at 20:40, nemtizz said: Expand He is such a great character. Hard to stay angry at him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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