1964 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 40 minutes ago, KaKa said: It's so hard to stomach man. Makes me sick. Can't wait to start piling on Gueye because he's not comfortable wearing the shirt due to his religious beliefs. These same people will be out and about the next day calling people 'gay', 'fag', 'poof' or whatever else as an insult. Fucking insufferable the lot of it. It would be better to also keep religion out of it then would it not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 minute ago, gbandit said: I’m not discounting the fact that people are hypocrites, we all are. However, the vast majority of people hurling racial abuse are the ones who boo taking the knee and are “all lives matter” lads. You don’t seem to understand social psychology, the whole point of taking the knee and rainbow laces etc is that it becomes more and more stigmatised to be racist or homophobic. The more people that support those causes, the more ostracised racists become as it’s deemed socially unacceptable and ultimately they get called out for it, outed for being racists and get banned from games. It’s a huge societal process and takes ages to change. Would be interested to find out what you think would reduce racism and homophobic behaviour Kaka Honestly, it's actually getting to the point that I'm just as suspicious, even if not moreso of the people that go on about all these things all the time. I think it's become a very convenient cover. I don't see any of this nonsense changing. I just don't think most people are raised with any sense of decency or regard for other people, somewhere along the line it's just been lost or not deemed as important. All this kneeling, t-shirts, or rainbow colours aren't going to reverse all that. No chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, 1964 said: It would be better to also keep religion out of it then would it not? Not sure I understand what you mean, but I don't understand why any of this sort of stuff is done this way, because I see no evidence of it making ay kind of positive difference. People's backgrounds and belief systems are so diverse and complicated and influenced by a myriad of things. As long as they aren't out harming or mistreating anyone then just leave all this rubbish out man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Religious fanatics have an actual mental disorder as opposed to the people Gueye is refusing to support. PSG should send him to reparative therapy camp so he can live free of the chains of a book of silly stories. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Conjo said: Religious fanatics have an actual mental disorder as opposed to the people Gueye is refusing to support. PSG should send him to reparative therapy camp so he can live free of the chains of a book of silly stories. That's interesting. I would argue that the majority of them just have their beliefs that they follow privately, and keep to themselves, while treating everyone the same. The level of disdain you have for their personal beliefs is akin to the level of disdain you imagine they all have for LGBTQ people, so really what's the difference. It's all ego and everyone thinking they have all the answers and have everything all figured out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 36 minutes ago, KaKa said: I mean how naive are you guys really. Think it's you tbh Kaka. Totally agree that BLM and taking the knee has become a co-opted gesture from inherently racist institutions, but you're kidding yourself if you think anyone in the crowd applauding rainbow laces and taking the knee are the same people then throwing around homophobia and racism. Dunno if you realise but the bigots in the U.K don't really hide it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Religion is indoctrinated into you from birth in most instances. You're literally brain washed. If nobody told you about some divine energy, you'd never think about it. LGBTQ+ people are never indoctrinated (despite what lunatic ring wing nut jobs tries to say) and finds it out on their own. Big difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Think it's you tbh Kaka. Totally agree that BLM and taking the knee has become a co-opted gesture from inherently racist institutions, but you're kidding yourself if you think anyone in the crowd applauding rainbow laces and taking the knee are the same people then throwing around homophobia and racism. Dunno if you realise but the bigots in the U.K don't really hide it. There will always be those that are open about it, sure. However, if you really think, there aren't a bunch of people that go along with this sort of stuff for the optics, and then practice something else, then I don't know what to say really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Conjo said: Religion is indoctrinated into you from birth in most instances. You're literally brain washed. If nobody told you about some divine energy, you'd never think about it. LGBTQ+ people are never indoctrinated (despite what lunatic ring wing nut jobs tries to say) and finds it out on their own. Big difference. I mean, ultimately, you're just completely married to your belief system while being completely dismissive and intolerant of other people's experiences and beliefs. And I guess that's fair enough. Now as long as no one is mistreating anyone else based off of any of that, then can we all just get on with things. We'll all be dead soon enough anyway and then we'll all know for certain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 You got it wrong Kaka, I'm not a believer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaztoon Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Jeez.. I think the mods need to hire David dimbleby ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 I'll stop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 13 minutes ago, KaKa said: There will always be those that are open about it, sure. However, if you really think, there aren't a bunch of people that go along with this sort of stuff for the optics, and then practice something else, then I don't know what to say really. Sure, but not to the extent that they're the same people then hurling abuse when the same optics are there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, Conjo said: You got it wrong Kaka, I'm not a believer. Well, that's fine man. Let's leave all this. Just want to be able to enjoy a bit of football, so lets do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, Kid Icarus said: Sure, but not to the extent that they're the same people then hurling abuse when the same optics are there. I've seen it before, unfortunately. Once the emotions kick in and people get wound up over whatever. All sorts of madness goes down. But anyway I'm going to leave this now, because honestly, I find it all quite depressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Just now, KaKa said: I've seen it before, unfortunately. Once the emotions kick in and people get wound up over whatever. All sorts of madness goes down. But anyway I'm going to leave this now, because honestly, I find it all quite depressing. In England? Honestly my only point really is that you can spot the bigots a mile off, they're proud of it and at best just don't join in clapping. Happy to leave it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, Gaztoon said: Jeez.. I think the mods need to hire David dimbleby ? David Attenborough you mean. Weed out the neanderthals with their backward thinking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, Conjo said: I'll stop. Don't stop it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Huddersfield winning… What a boring promotion of 3 that could be if they go up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 What the actual fuck is with that Liverpool line up?? Are they throwing the title or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Atmosphere looks electric at St Mary's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 That's very strange but guess they have some knocks and don't want to jeopardise the CL Especially as the league isn't in their hand They'll still win cos Southampton are shit at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Who we cheering for tonight then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Chance for Southampton with that Liverpool line up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Well in Nathan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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