joeyt Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Denmark beat France Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Can excuse those kicking off due to that. Fans getting other people in, turning up there without tickets, climbing the fences and forcing their ways in still plays a factor. Honestly in pinch points in any arena, if a load of fans turn up without tickets it could cause blockages really quickly if they don't get out of the way. Suspect this caused the gendaumes to react for too much. Edited June 3, 2022 by neesy111 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Just now, ManDoon said: Was it even Liverpool fans though, looked more like locals to me. I don’t know if any of that stuff has been confirmed to be true. There’s Tweets from LFC fans such as ‘sneaked my dad in’ and a photo looking chuffed with themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Absolutely, you get less of a bottleneck if hundreds of fans don't turn up with blagged tickets, fraudulent tickets or no tickets at all. That said, there should have been logistics in place for it, you didn't have to look hard to find evidence that it was coming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: Absolutely, you get less of a bottleneck if hundreds of fans don't turn up with blagged tickets, fraudulent tickets or no tickets at all. That said, there should have been logistics in place for it, you didn't have to look hard to find evidence that it was coming. Yeap I think that's where the issue is. No preparation for it all by the authorities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) If we're ever lucky enough to get to a CL final, we might get to see just how well behaved our cunt/horse punching section are and how comfortable we are with being tarnished with the same brush. When I went to Bruges and got chatting with some of the locals, they weren't complimentary about us, put it that way. Yet all I heard about from our fans was how badly the Belgian police had treated them. Likewise Palermo. Edited June 3, 2022 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) They did it in Athens too. Edited June 3, 2022 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 My point was that their reputation hasn't appeared out of thin air. Every fan base has a cunt element, but theirs is bigger and more prominent than most. Again though, that doesn't excuse the logistics outside the ground or the behaviour of the French police. All three can be true and contributed to what looked like a throughly miserable evening for all concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ManDoon said: Was it even Liverpool fans though, looked more like locals to me. I don’t know if any of that stuff has been confirmed to be true. My mate was there and said there were LFC and Madrid fans either with snide tickets or without tickets, but the majority were locals trying to get in. He reckons if he could have guessed he’d estimate about a few hundred of those with snide tickets/without tickets were LFC and Madrid fans, he said there were thousands of none LFC/Madrid fans there that day all trying to get in. Edited June 3, 2022 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 I honestly think the idea of Liverpool being worse than most as a set of fans is a hangover from the '80s and more correlation than causation tbh. Every set of English fans abroad has had bother - the England team, us, Leeds, West Ham, Chelsea, Man United. The only team's fans I can't ever remember getting into bother is Arsenal. Generally, I think you'd get the same bother with other teams regularly in Europe though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 15 minutes ago, The Prophet said: My point was that their reputation hasn't appeared out of thin air. Every fan base has a cunt element, but theirs is bigger and more prominent than most. Again though, that doesn't excuse the logistics outside the ground or the behaviour of the French police. All three can be true and contributed to what looked like a throughly miserable evening for all concerned. People are just ignorant it seems to Athens and Istanbul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, neesy111 said: People are just ignorant it seems to Athens and Istanbul. Honestly, Google 'ticketless [UK team that reached a European final] fans final [year]' and you'll see how common it is. Just as an example Man United had between 10-20,000 ticketless fans turn up in Barcelona and Rome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Martinez was a bizarre choice for Belgium coach. He has, essentially, failed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Benzema playing for France is class like. Usually after big games, players sack off the internationals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, huss9 said: Martinez was a bizarre choice for Belgium coach. He has, essentially, failed. Thankfully the reaction to him getting linked to us was overal very negative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) The French police, UEFA and French govt are confirming it was mainly local ticketless people breaking through the barriers and causing bother: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61685718 I really do think we need to have a think before just pointing accusative fingers at Liverpool’s support generally. Of course they have shithouses in amongst them - so do we, so do most clubs of any reasonable size. I think it is almost guaranteed that if we got to a European final in a city with easy access and enough watering holes, there’d be more Geordies there without tickets than the ones with them - and a decent % of them would undoubtedly try to pay, cheat or burst their way in if the opportunity arose. Glass houses and all that. Edited June 3, 2022 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 23 minutes ago, huss9 said: Martinez was a bizarre choice for Belgium coach. He has, essentially, failed. 100%. Never understood that one, they’re on the verge of wasting a golden generation of talent. I was deeply worried when we were linked with him before appointing Howe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 8 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: 100%. Never understood that one, they’re on the verge of wasting a golden generation of talent. I was deeply worried when we were linked with him before appointing Howe Would people really call it wasting given that he took them to their best results in a World Cup ever and their best result in 30 years in the Euros? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) Yes, definitely. You can't guarantee success at tournaments, but the level of talent they have is obscene and he's a manager with no real track record of success in tournaments or anywhere for that matter. Edited June 4, 2022 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Flip said: Would people really call it wasting given that he took them to their best results in a World Cup ever and their best result in 30 years in the Euros? Their current squad is incomparable to previous ones. Belgium were always solid qualifiers but not much else - over the last five or six years they’ve been peppered with genuine world class talent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Their current squad is incomparable to previous ones. Belgium were always solid qualifiers but not much else - over the last five or six years they’ve been peppered with genuine world class talent That’s true, but they finished third at the WC losing to the Champions in the semis and in the Euros the same. Think he’s done a decent job for them, but clearly should’ve gone different direction after the Euros. But his results for them have been good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Yes, definitely. You can't guarantee success at tournaments, but the level of talent they have is obscene and he's a manager with no real track record of success in tournaments or anywhere for that matter. That's one of the weirdest arguments I've seen for suggesting someone is wasting talents. His past track record has nothing to do with his current track record with Belgium. Finishing third with Belgium was very successful, just ask the country and the parades they had welcoming them back. Won 25 and drew 3 out of 28 qualifier matches as well. Beating both Brazil and Portugal in the knock-out stages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Flip said: That's one of the weirdest arguments I've seen for suggesting someone is wasting talents. His past track record has nothing to do with his current track record with Belgium. Finishing third with Belgium was very successful, just ask the country and the parades they had welcoming them back. Won 25 and drew 3 out of 28 qualifier matches as well. Beating both Brazil and Portugal in the knock-out stages. His track record is exactly why you can look at that Belgium squad and then look at his achievements and make the case that they'd have achieved more with a better manager. I thought he was naïve at Wigan, and terrible at Everton. The improvement that he'd need to have made for me to not make that case is massive and I definitely don't think he's made the case for a counter argument with Belgium. At least not yet. Like I say, you can't guarantee success at tournaments, but there's no way you can look at a semi at the World Cup and a quarter final at the Euros with that squad and think of it as mission accomplished or successful. In the context of Belgium's history, definitely, but not in the context of the talent they have. Edited June 4, 2022 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Just now, Kid Icarus said: Like I say, you can't guarantee success at tournaments, but there's no way you can look at a semi at the World Cup and a quarter final at the Euros with that squad and think of it as mission accomplished or successful. In the context of Belgium's history, definitely, but not in the context of the talent they have. Of course you can suggest finishing third at the WC was considered successful. Doesn't mean that was mission acomplished though as I'd expect all top teams to want to win it all. But the matter of fact is more talented teams didn't go as far. Belgium is highly overrated when it comes to this ''golden'' generation. Their ''golden'' generation has actually in fact been two players at the absolute top De Bruyne and Hazard. Furthermore, at the last Euros only De Bruyne was really at the top. Eden has been half-dead for the past two years, and Lukaku has always been slightly overrated for what he actually is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Martinez has done well with Belgium. The team was basically on the decline from the World Cup onwards. They were really good at that World Cup and narrowly lost out to a marginally better team. The problem Belgium had is that when they were really in their prime they held onto Wilmots as manager for too long Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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