Newcastle United 1 - 0 Aston Villa (13/02/2022)

[McDog]

2 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

True, but by that metric it shouldn't rule out their goal either.

 

 

True that.

[Phoenix711]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Yeah, but I just can’t see how it could be a clear error, since it’s so close to the line. It’s arguably on the line.
 

Which means it’s understandable that the ref gave a pen, and it should not have been overturned? 
 

Clear evidence based on the replay is not the same as deciding that the error was clear and obvious. Or is it?

 

I thought the point was that they don’t re-referee the game, they decide if the error itself is obvious. Which here is isn’t. 

 

 

 

 

I see what you're asking, but when you say "it's arguably on the line", I didn't see a single angle which showed any of Willock's boot touching the line. Personally, I felt there was enough evidence to say the foul was outside the box based on the angles/ freeze frames shown.

 

"Clear evidence based on the replay is not the same as deciding that the error was clear and obvious. Or is it?"

 

The location of the foul is an objective matter i.e. it was in or not in the box. As it's objective it is easy to see if the referee was correct or not and thus overturn. Whether it was a foul or not is a subjective matter and this is where you are less likely to overturn the referee even if it was a dubious call. The fact we're arguing about an objective matter makes it easier for VAR to intervene imo but as you saw the EPL website, it is a grey area.

 

Anyways, upwards and onwards. West Ham next.

[LFEE]

1 hour ago, Chris_R said:

 

True, but by that metric it shouldn't rule out their goal either.

I wouldn’t of ruled out the goal. Advantage should go to the forward IMO. We want goals yet VAR overruled a penalty (thought defenders studs were on the line) and a goal (thought Watkins was level). 

[Superior Acuña]

4 hours ago, Geordiebri said:

 

On what I've seen Gayle is better than Lurch, sorry, Wood.

Dwight Gayle has scored fewer PL goals for us in total than Wood did just last season for Burnley. And doesn't offer a lot else. Not raving about Wood, but howay.

 

edit: soz, ended up a few pages back by accident

 

 

Edited February 14, 2022 by Inferior Acuña

[buzza]

The disallowed goal came from two mistakes from krafth; the first was the abominable pass/clearance he tried to make while clearing from a defensive situation and the second was his backing off/imitation defending.

The team really suffered after manquillo and Trippier went off, really do not want either Dummet or Krafth near the team again. Championship level at best...

[Guest HTT II]

1 minute ago, buzza said:

The disallowed goal came from two mistakes from krafth; the first was the abominable pass/clearance he tried to make while clearing from a defensive situation and the second was his backing off/imitation defending.

The team really suffered after manquillo and Trippier went off, really do not want either Dummet or Krafth near the team again. Championship level at best...

Agreed, Krafth is an awful football, any one of us could have made that pass and find a team-mate that he failed miserably to do. 

[LV]

Can Targett play RB? Anyone know? 

[McCormick]

Krafth is honestly the worst senior right-back in the league. Unfathomably terrible at most things needed for that position.
 

He’s genuinely hopeless and negatively impacts us all across the field.

[McCormick]

4 minutes ago, LV said:

Can Targett play RB? Anyone know? 

I really hope so. 
 

If anyone has noticed, I really despise Krafth as a player .

[Nine]

Makes no sense putting Targett on the right instead of his natural position just to put Dummet at LB instead. Much rather have the best possible LB available play LB and work it out for the right side, if that means Krafth then so be it.

[SUPERTOON]

Was at the game yesterday and then  just watched the highlights on sky there, sky definitely do something with the sound coz the atmosphere was fantastic but not captured on sky.

[morpeth mag]

8 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Just thinking, our pen… VAR is checking for a ‘clear and obvious error’ or is it checking whether the foul was inside the box?

 

If the former, it clearly wasn’t obvious and the ref gave it, so by the rules it should be a pen? 
 

 

I have a feeling that as it is a line decision, like offside, VAR tells the referee what decision to make.

[Chris_R]

7 hours ago, LFEE said:

I wouldn’t of ruled out the goal. Advantage should go to the forward IMO. We want goals yet VAR overruled a penalty (thought defenders studs were on the line) and a goal (thought Watkins was level). 

 

FWIW I think both decisions were right.

 

First contact did look fractionally outside, whereas the goal did look offside. Both were so incredibly marginal though that either or both could be deemed "not a clear error" and allowed to stand as the on-field decision.

 

The problem then comes from consistency - If only one decision stands and the other is overruled, then there's angry fans on one side or the other. Thankfully both were scrutinised, which leads to anger in the stands about what a clear and obvious mistake represents, but otherwise you run the risk of it being open to interpretation.

[madras]

44 minutes ago, McCormick said:

Krafth is honestly the worst senior right-back in the league. Unfathomably terrible at most things needed for that position.
 

He’s genuinely hopeless and negatively impacts us all across the field.

Not on yesterday's performance and the one before that.

[Awaymag]

don't care now as we won 

[McCormick]

3 minutes ago, madras said:

Not on yesterday's performance and the one before that.

Worst player on the field yesterday.

[madras]

Just now, McCormick said:

Worst player on the field yesterday.

You're letting your bias cloud your reason.

[gazza ladra]

16 minutes ago, McCormick said:

Worst player on the field yesterday.

 

Some really poor Villa performances out there. Maybe they are better players, but it didn't show.

[morpeth mag]

22 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

FWIW I think both decisions were right.

 

First contact did look fractionally outside, whereas the goal did look offside. Both were so incredibly marginal though that either or both could be deemed "not a clear error" and allowed to stand as the on-field decision.

 

The problem then comes from consistency - If only one decision stands and the other is overruled, then there's angry fans on one side or the other. Thankfully both were scrutinised, which leads to anger in the stands about what a clear and obvious mistake represents, but otherwise you run the risk of it being open to interpretation.

They were both factual line decisions so 'clear and obvious' does not apply.

[Paz]

morning peeps - just wanted to pop on and say congrats for the win, well deserved.  we weren't at it - you bossed the first half and we didn't have an answer for it.

 

inconsistency is our nemesis - great going forward on weds night but yesterday we didn't click at all.  if you weren't confident of staying up, i think you have to be now - other results went your way (apart from everton) but you don't need to rely on other teams now.

 

 

[r0cafella]

Just now, Paz said:

morning peeps - just wanted to pop on and say congrats for the win, well deserved.  we weren't at it - you bossed the first half and we didn't have an answer for it.

 

inconsistency is our nemesis - great going forward on weds night but yesterday we didn't click at all.  if you weren't confident of staying up, i think you have to be now - other results went your way (apart from everton) but you don't need to rely on other teams now.

 

 

Your team seems slightly unbalanced too me. Has this been a feature since Gerrard was appointed?

[Paz]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Your team seems slightly unbalanced too me. Has this been a feature since Gerrard was appointed?

i think we are crying out for a natural DM - nakamba is our only one and he is out - he has his limitations but is good at breaking up play but we need an upgrade on him.

luiz plays in the pivot role but he isn't really that type of player - he isn't physical, and isn't a natural defender.  it isn't too difficult for other midfielders to overrun him - he needs time on the ball which is not afforded in the PL.

im still happy with what SG is trying to do - this isnt really his squad and is working out who is surplus to requiremetns and who he can rely on.

 

not sure who your next opponents are, but three on the bounce and you are going to be safe.

[SUPERTOON]

6 minutes ago, Paz said:

morning peeps - just wanted to pop on and say congrats for the win, well deserved.  we weren't at it - you bossed the first half and we didn't have an answer for it.

 

inconsistency is our nemesis - great going forward on weds night but yesterday we didn't click at all.  if you weren't confident of staying up, i think you have to be now - other results went your way (apart from everton) but you don't need to rely on other teams now.

 

 

Think your system and way of playing relies on your fullbacks putting in 8/10 performances weekly and thought both and Digne in particular where poor yesterday.

[r0cafella]

Just now, Paz said:

i think we are crying out for a natural DM - nakamba is our only one and he is out - he has his limitations but is good at breaking up play but we need an upgrade on him.

luiz plays in the pivot role but he isn't really that type of player - he isn't physical, and isn't a natural defender.  it isn't too difficult for other midfielders to overrun him - he needs time on the ball which is not afforded in the PL.

im still happy with what SG is trying to do - this isnt really his squad and is working out who is surplus to requiremetns and who he can rely on.

 

not sure who your next opponents are, but three on the bounce and you are going to be safe.

Yeah, I was wondering about your central midfield, given how attacking your full backs are the demands on your central midfielders and and full backs are hefty. 
 

He’s setting you up to play like a big side, and we did see very small glimpses of it, he might need to adapt his ambitions in the medium term though or I fear you will concede a lot. 

[Paully]