James Maddison (now playing for Tottenham Hotspur)

[RodneyCisse]

1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said:

Said it countless times but you can only play ‘hard ball’ when the ball is in your court, trying to buy quality like Maddison it will never be in your court.

 

Would be ridiculous if we don’t sign him for the sake of £10m.

Especially when that part of the payment will be years away.

[The Prophet]

We don't know if we'll need to pay "the going rate" though. There's obviously a reason that we've gone in at the value we have.

[tomlynnherrington]

12 minutes ago, Manxst said:

Yeah…but he’d be on the bench for all those teams (West Ham excepted)… Southgate wouldn’t pick him as a starter if that’s the case.

You and Southgate clearly don’t rate him as highly as I do.?

[relámpago blanco]

You would have thought his agent will have insight into what the club will entertain which is what will be driving our offers. 

[Guest]

Southgate picks the likes of Dier, Rashford up until recently, Grealish last season when he wasn't first choice. If they're at an elite club, as long as they're getting games they'll be picked.

 

[Manxst]

2 minutes ago, tomlynnherrington said:

You and Southgate clearly don’t rate him as highly as I do.?

Or the managers of those other teams, as none are buying him. ? (For what it’s worth, I rate him highly, but can’t see him getting in those teams compared to ours).

 

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by Manxst

[Ikon]

4 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

We don't know if we'll need to pay "the going rate" though. There's obviously a reason that we've gone in at the value we have.

Im not saying we are doing it wrong, but we could also be doing it wrong. We have good people in place but it doesn’t mean that everything we do is the absolute right way. By the sounds of it from some it seems we can do no wrong . I’m just talking in general here. Not aimed directly at you mate. 

 

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by Ikon

[Coffee_Johnny]

6 minutes ago, elbee909 said:

I can't totally blame other clubs baulking at low starting bids when we paid so much for Chris Wood. Didn't set an ideal president.

Woodrow Wilson our favoured presidential trend setter:

 

 

 

[Manxst]

1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Southgate picks the likes of Dier, Rashford up until recently, Grealish last season when he wasn't first choice. If they're at an elite club, as long as they're getting games they'll be picked.

 

For their ability to play multiple positions, plus the relative lack of other options in those positions? We’ve plenty of attacking midfield players.

[Hanshithispantz]

11 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

2022: 8th

2021: 5th

2020: 5th

 

If they finish somewhere in-between = Europe.

 

First choice CB's injured for most of the season. As did a first choice fullback. Vardy scored loads but missed 13 league games. If they all stay fit or at least considerably more fit and maintain form and don't sell key players. You would expect a top 7 finish. Maddison, Vardy & Barnes is as good as it gets outside the top 6 alone. Fofana, Evans, Tielemans. It's a good team.

 

As it stands they have Ayoze Perez as dead wood. We'll be starting Miguel Almiron at the weekend. Their squad is a level above ours.

 

We are in an upward trajectory though. And Leicester might lose one of their best players to us. Seemingly their cycle is over and they need a rebuild.

 

 

 

 

They have a much better squad but they seem to have already hit their ceiling with it. I'm not saying Howe is a better manager than Rodgers, but it's pretty clear he has our squad heading in the right direction. I don't think there's much to indicate the same is happening at Leicester.

[sushimonster85]

3 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

Woodrow Wilson our favoured presidential trend setter:

 

 

 

 

Google some Woodrow Wilson. Guy was messed up!

[Guest]

Leicester will likely be fine tbh. Like someone said, top 4 challenges will be beyond them but once you get below West Ham, there's not many clubs you'd think other than maybe Villa and Everton once they finally sort themselves out, that will overtake them long term.

 

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by Optimistic Nut

[McCormick]

38 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

What are are Leicester short term? They aren't in Europe and every indication is they need a rebuild or they're going backwards.

I suppose we need to define what we consider short-term  . This season they’ll probably finish higher than us, they’ll have far better facilities for a while and also have European aspirations despite their poor window. In 2 seasons+ , yeah I completely agree we’ll (theoretically) be in a better place. 
 

There’s no denying that with the backing of PIF we have the potential, but for the coming season and even maybe the one after we’re not immediately the better option.

 

 

[The College Dropout]

13 minutes ago, sushimonster85 said:

 

But they have largely stagnated, while others around them have improved. Don't get me wrong, I think they will be back in top half this season with no European football to deal with, but I think the days of them pushing for top 4 are done. 

They had 1 bad season which coincided with a lot of injuries. Daniel Amartey played A LOT at CB.

 

CL maybe not. But 7th with no European football this season? With all the injuries and Europe they still managed 8th.

 

Point being. Leicester have a good squad. Better than ours. I wouldn't expect to finish above them as things stand. Moving to us at the moment is a sideways move regarding 22/23. JM would be betting that we get stronger (which we will) and Leicester get weaker (which is possible) in the medium and long-term.

 

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by The College Dropout

[Dokko]

2 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Leicester will likely be fine tbh. Like someone said, top 4 challenges will be beyond them but once you get below West Ham and Everton (once they eventually get their house in order), there's not many clubs you'd think other than maybe Villa, that will overtake them long term.

 

 

 

 

They've fallen a tier. Couple of poor signings and the fall another, especially with their financial restraints 

[tomlynnherrington]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

They had 1 bad season which coincided with a lot of injuries. Daniel Amartey played A LOT at CB.

 

CL maybe not. But 7th with no European football this season? With all the injuries and Europe they still managed 8th.

 

Point being. Leicester have a good squad. Better than ours. I wouldn't expect to finish above them as things stand. Moving to us at the moment is a sideways move regarding 22/23. JM would be betting that we get stronger (which we will) and Leicester get weaker (which is possible).

Perfectly put

[The College Dropout]

7 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

They have a much better squad but they seem to have already hit their ceiling with it. I'm not saying Howe is a better manager than Rodgers, but it's pretty clear he has our squad heading in the right direction. I don't think there's much to indicate the same is happening at Leicester.

Aye so in the short-term we aren't an improvement. Our aspirations are similar or less big in the upcoming season. That was my point many people disagreed with. There are no footballing reasons to join Newcastle United from Leicester in the short-term e.g. 22/23. Most NUFC fans would consider finishing 8th a relative success. Leicester would consider that a regression.

 

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by The College Dropout

[Bondedcrown]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

They had 1 bad season which coincided with a lot of injuries. Daniel Amartey played A LOT at CB.

 

CL maybe not. But 7th with no European football this season? With all the injuries and Europe they still managed 8th.

 

Point being. Leicester have a good squad. Better than ours. I wouldn't expect to finish above them as things stand. Moving to us at the moment is a sideways move regarding 22/23. JM would be betting that we get stronger (which we will) and Leicester get weaker (which is possible) in the medium and long-term.

 

 

 

We were without Wilson and Trippier for a long while and gave them a head start yet still finished only 3 points behind them ?All teams have injuries

[Coffee_Johnny]

10 minutes ago, sushimonster85 said:

 

Google some Woodrow Wilson. Guy was messed up!

Ah! Ok. Thanks. Maybe we need to sign Abraham and someone from Lincoln if I am going to roll with this setting a ‘president’ joke. 

 

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by Coffee_Johnny

[gdm]

I was actually getting carried away thinking this will happen. I was thinking we’ve bid £50m which isn’t too far away from their reported valuation of £60m and it also blows the talk of a remaining £40m budget out the water but now it seems that the 2nd bid is only £40m I just can’t see it happening. Leicester wouldn’t get as good a replacement for £40m and I don’t see us bidding much more than £40m 

[The Prophet]

13 minutes ago, Ikon said:

Im not saying we are doing it wrong, but we could also be doing it wrong. We have good people in place but it doesn’t mean that everything we do is the absolute right way. By the sounds of it from some it seems we can do no wrong . I’m just talking in general here. Not aimed directly at you mate. 

 

 

 

 

My post wasn't aimed directly at you either.

 

I don't know if what they're doing is right or wrong, but January suggests they largely get it right. They deserve the benefit of the doubt.

[sushimonster85]

9 minutes ago, gdm said:

I was actually getting carried away thinking this will happen. I was thinking we’ve bid £50m which isn’t too far away from their reported valuation of £60m and it also blows the talk of a remaining £40m budget out the water but now it seems that the 2nd bid is only £40m I just can’t see it happening. Leicester wouldn’t get as good a replacement for £40m and I don’t see us bidding much more than £40m 

 

For whatever reason £40m does seem to be the magic number we are unwilling to go past for a single player in this window. 

[The College Dropout]

22 minutes ago, Ikon said:

Im not saying we are doing it wrong, but we could also be doing it wrong. We have good people in place but it doesn’t mean that everything we do is the absolute right way. By the sounds of it from some it seems we can do no wrong . I’m just talking in general here. Not aimed directly at you mate. 

 

 

 

This is my perspective. Except I think it's likely we are doing it wrong based on what happened with Diaby and Harrison.

[Hanshithispantz]

21 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Aye so in the short-term we aren't an improvement. Our aspirations are similar or less big in the upcoming season. That was my point many people disagreed with. There are no footballing reasons to join Newcastle United from Leicester in the short-term e.g. 22/23. Most NUFC fans would consider finishing 8th a relative success. Leicester would consider that a regression.

 

 

 

This means nowt though as Leicester are regressing. Maybe they can turn it around, maybe they can't? Just as much of a chance that we continue as we are or falter.

 

It would hardly be some huge suprise if we finish above Leiceter like. Despite their obviously superior squad.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by Hanshithispantz

[Chris_R]

Leicester will do well this season. Expect to see Vardy reinvigorated, as he knows he needs his goal bonuses to pay off his wife's legal fees.