Sufi Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) Manquillo, Lewis, Krafth, Fraser, Ritchie.. All likely and hopefully gone. Dubravka and ASM may well go also. Edited May 30, 2023 by Sufi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Just now, Sufi said: Manquillo, Lewis, Krafth, Fraser. All likely gone. Dubravka and ASM may well go also. Krafth?? Where are you getting this from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Sufi said: How many players from the first team squad do you think we will sell or maybe even loan out this summer? Loan - be surprised if it’s anyone from the current squad (bar a kind of loan that’s really a sale like Hayden and Hendrick this season). Maybe Miley I suppose, certainly not Anderson. Sell - Fraser and Lewis. Think we’d like to keep to Dubravka, but he might well want to go, in which case we’d let him. Manquillo or Kraft. Darlow. Other than that only someone who asks to be away, like Ritchie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 8 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: Szoboszlai would be an incredible signing - how likely is it though? It feels like we’re a year or two away from players like him, but perhaps the CL qualification opens up paths to this sort of player? He's very much in the Bruno/Isak bracket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sufi Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, LV said: Krafth?? Where are you getting this from? Its a transfer rumors thread. I have no source for Fraser, Ritchie, Manquillo or Lewis being gone either. Let me speculate in peace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Sufi said: Manquillo, Lewis, Krafth, Fraser, Ritchie.. All likely and hopefully gone. Dubravka and ASM may well go also. Manquillo 189, Lewis 122, Krafth 39, Fraser 311, Richie 212 = so thats 873mins between them. They don't need replacing by more than one player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Sufi said: Manquillo, Lewis, Krafth, Fraser, Ritchie.. All likely and hopefully gone. Dubravka and ASM may well go also. They won’t but let’s say they do - you’re gonna struggle to get anything for the first five listed and ffp is real so we can’t spend £100m on replacing them. Every window ASM is linked with going and never happens - he’ll still be here and dubravka proved he’s still a good keeper against Chelsea so he could stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, Sufi said: How many players from the first team squad do you think we will sell or maybe even loan out this summer? That have actually played? (so not include Lewis, Fraser, M. Longstaff, Clark, Hendrick, Gillespie, Ritchie) Not many. 2-3 I would say. We need: left back (and need to get rid of 1-2 current left backs) two centre midfielders, a defensive and an attacking one right winger (and maybe get rid of one) understudy right centre back for Schär Anything else is a bonus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sufi Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, SteV said: Loan - be surprised if it’s anyone from the current squad (bar a kind of loan that’s really a sale like Hayden and Hendrick this season). Maybe Miley I suppose, certainly not Anderson. Sell - Fraser and Lewis. Think we’d like to keep to Dubravka, but he might well want to go, in which case we’d let him. Manquillo or Kraft. Darlow. Other than that only someone who asks to be away, like Ritchie. So sell 6 potentially. How can we add 3 in that case? (responding to the other posters who view 9 new faces as unrealistic) IF we sell Fraser, Lewis, one of Manquillo or Krafth, one of Darlow or Dubravka, and Ritchie. ASM goes. 2-3 players to replace our entire bench? I think we may see the same kind of turnover that teams who go from championship to prem see. Our goals, the competitions we will be in, everything has changed. A big chunk of our squad is made up of players who arent up to the level we hope to compete at next season. Many of them cant even be trusted as backups or emergency fill-ins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 We probably need four or five. A RCB, LB, CM x 2, RW. The RCB and one of the CMs could even be all potential like Alex Scott or Arda Guler. That'd allow us to ship out Darlow, Karius or Dubs, Manquillo, Lewis, Hendrick, Hayden and Fraser. Gillespie, Dummet and Ritchie are all out of contract, it wouldn't be surprising to see them see the latter two stay on in a coaching capacity. We'll probably consider offers for us if a decent bid comes in too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Sufi said: So sell 6 potentially. How can we add 3 in that case? (responding to the other posters who view 9 new faces as unrealistic) IF we sell Fraser, Lewis, one of Manquillo or Krafth, one of Darlow or Dubravka, and Ritchie. ASM goes. 2-3 players to replace our entire bench? I think we may see the same kind of turnover that teams who go from championship to prem see. Our goals, the competitions we will be in, everything has changed. A big chunk of our squad is made up of players who arent up to the level we hope to compete at next season. Many of them cant even be trusted as backups or emergency fill-ins. No, sell 5 potentially. Kraft wasn’t in the PL squad second half of the season, so he doesn’t get replaced, or sell Manquillo and Kraft replaces him. Darlow wasn’t in the squad so he wouldn’t necessarily need replaced. Obviously if we were to sell a ‘big’ player like ASM or Miggy (can’t see it myself) then clearly they would need replacing. If you’re bringing 9 in, you’ve got to lose 9 out of the current 25 man squad, and that’s just not happening. Edited May 30, 2023 by SteV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sufi Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: Manquillo 189, Lewis 122, Krafth 39, Fraser 311, Richie 212 = so thats 873mins between them. They don't need replacing by more than one player. I disagree. We leaned very heavily on the same small group of players this season and had great success doing so. A red card, an injury etc could be the difference next season. I think part of the reason those numbers are so low...and part of the reason we relied on the same 16 guys is because howe doesnt trust the fellas at the end of the bench. He's hinted at it recently in terms of him leaning heavily on certain players and barely limping across the finish line. We wont get away with that next season. Even if we can its not a smart risk to take. We cant replace 3 fullbacks and 2 wingers with one player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 23 minutes ago, Sufi said: If we lose Dubravka and ASM. Elliot maybe goes on loan. I dont think 9 is unrealistic considering we will probably sell 3-5 players. It's why I don't think we lose ASM, Dubravka too It's a massive risk adding a lot of players to a squad that's big on harmony and team spirit The focus has to be keeping those that are top players and replace the weak links in the squad, we have enough weak links before looking at someone like ASM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, Sufi said: So sell 6 potentially. How can we add 3 in that case? (responding to the other posters who view 9 new faces as unrealistic) IF we sell Fraser, Lewis, one of Manquillo or Krafth, one of Darlow or Dubravka, and Ritchie. ASM goes. 2-3 players to replace our entire bench? I think we may see the same kind of turnover that teams who go from championship to prem see. Our goals, the competitions we will be in, everything has changed. A big chunk of our squad is made up of players who arent up to the level we hope to compete at next season. Many of them cant even be trusted as backups or emergency fill-ins. You do know nowadays ffp is real right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 I'd like to see how Krafu comes back after getting done in, he was starting to look the part before that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 We aren't signing 9 players FFS. It will be 4/6, 3 will be proper top class and a couple more to offer us depth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sufi Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, SteV said: No, sell 5 potentially. Kraft wasn’t in the PL squad second half of the season, so he doesn’t get replaced, or sell Manquillo and Kraft replaces him. Darlow wasn’t in the squad so he wouldn’t necessarily need replaced. Obviously if we were to sell a ‘big’ player like ASM or Miggy (can’t see it myself) then clearly they would need replacing. If you’re bringing 9 in, you’ve got to lose 9 out of the current 25 man squad, and that’s just not happening. Very fair points. Same for Ahmed above. I definitely cant see Miggy gone. I would also be surprised if ASM is gone. Our 3rd string GK played a cup final. We had Anderson out there in the biggest match of the season. I'd like to avoid those situations by focusing on depth and not just 2-3 signings considering we could conceivable play way more matches next season and not be lucky as far as injuries and suspensions go. Edited May 30, 2023 by Sufi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sufi Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, Gawalls said: You do know nowadays ffp is real right? Loans? Free transfers? Long term structuring on transfer fees? You do know that is real?....right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sufi Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, STM said: We aren't signing 9 players FFS. It will be 4/6, 3 will be proper top class and a couple more to offer us depth. How many players should we sell from our first team squad? Which players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Just now, Sufi said: Very fair points. Same for Ahmed above. I definitely cant see Miggy gone. I would also be surprised if ASM is gone. Our 3rd string GK played a cup final. We had Anderson out there in the biggest match of the season. I'd like to avoid those situations by focusing on depth and not just 2-3 signings. But if you’re adding 2-3 signings and not losing anyone significant, that’s giving you depth. There’s very little you can do about situations like the keeper one for the final. No-one has a third choice keeper that’s better than average. If Ederson and Ortega go down for Man City in the next couple of weeks, Scott Carson’s playing in the CL final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sufi Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Backup GK on loan if dubravka leaves 3rd string proven CF on loan. LB for 35m CB to compete with Schar for 25m attacking CM for 50m. Competition for RW for 25m. defensive CM for 25m (some of the above could be replaced with free transfers) Replacements for the 2-4 championship level players we will hopefully sell so we can round out a team that can compete in multiple competitions without being one injury away from failure. Potential LW to replace ASM. Dont see why its impossible for 7-9 new faces in especially if we lose ASM or Dubravka. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 If I was a footballer and I saw nine new players rock up after the season we've just had I'd be baffled. We won't fix all the problems in one window even if we wanted to, something just wouldn't work out. I can see that there's a good few positions to bring in competition/backup, but think four signings is more realistic. If three were first team quality and one (Arda Guler) for Eddie to work with I'd class that as a brilliant window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoU Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 43 minutes ago, David Edgar said: The pressure regains stat comparison is why I think Szoboszlai should be our preference. I've always thought of Maddison as a bit of a luxury player out of possession. Him in the starting 11 would weaken our press. Tbh, Szoboszlai just looks a better player there. And he has age on his side. Szobo is also playing in of the most high-press clubs in Europe. You can't really tell from those stats how Maddison would fit in that role. I am sure our scouts will assess that better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 We might sign 9 but a few of those would be loaned out. Your Ashby, Kuol, Anderson-type players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sufi Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 minute ago, BonesJones said: If I was a footballer and I saw nine new players rock up after the season we've just had I'd be baffled. We won't fix all the problems in one window even if we wanted to, something just wouldn't work out. I can see that there's a good few positions to bring in competition/backup, but think four signings is more realistic. If three were first team quality and one (Arda Guler) for Eddie to work with I'd class that as a brilliant window. Surely some of those players would be replacements for players sold? We've made a jump equivalent to championship>premier league. Literally 5-6 players who have featured for us this season will serve no purpose next season and probably shouldnt be relied on even in an emergency situation. We could also lose 1-2 players most likely Dubravka and ASM. I could just be out of my mind thinking this is football manager hahaha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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