The College Dropout Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Just now, joeyt said: Winning the Conference League doesn't get you CL qualification It gets you qualification for the Europa League. I do think finishing 4th can sometimes be harder than winning the Europa depending on the route. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 We were only 7 points off 7th last season and we didn;t win a game until December. It's hardly out of our reach without having to participant in a playoff system Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 23 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I'm the only one making suggestions so I guess I'll take that feedback. I'm not out waving placards about introducing a relegation play-off system (in truth, a European play-off would be the preferable place to introduce such a thing); it's just intended as a thought exercise around how certain alterations might benefit competition. I don't think "the format isn't broken" is a useful position to hold in this day and age when the nature of the game has changed so drastically over the last thirty years. However I accept @Kid Icarus's point that tinkering with the smaller things probably doesn't address the greater issues. I'm here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 I don't know, maybe 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th? Winner gets Europa, losing finalist gets Conference? Means finishing 9th still gets you a shot at Europe, all the teams in that 9th-13th region of the table have more to play for, and it increases the chances of one or two of the ESL chums being denied a European place? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 1 minute ago, joeyt said: We were only 7 points off 7th last season and we didn;t win a game until December. It's hardly out of our reach without having to participant in a playoff system But we finished 11th. We had top 5 form second half of last season. Top 6 a doddle then too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: But we finished 11th. We had top 5 form second half of last season. Top 6 a doddle then too? Did West Ham need a playoff to get to Europe the last couple of seasons? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Yorkie said: I don't know, maybe 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th? Winner gets Europa, losing finalist gets Conference? Means finishing 9th still gets you a shot at Europe, all the teams in that 9th-13th region of the table have more to play for, and it increases the chances of one or two of the ESL chums being denied a European place? I was thinking 7-10 for Conference league. Gives most clubs in the league something to for fight for if they want it. I think finishing 6th and not qualifying for Europe at all is harsh. Plus I genuinely think only a few clubs actively want Conference League (from a board perspective). So let's give them a greater chance at qualification. I think soon the PL will have 5 CL places anyway. So 8th might be enough for Conference. Think that's next season? Based on 3 nations with highest co-efficient Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Just now, joeyt said: Did West Ham need a playoff to get to Europe the last couple of seasons? What's the purpose of this question? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: What's the purpose of this question? You said finishing 7th is hard. West Ham have achieved it. Why can't we? Why do we need a playoff to do it Edited September 14, 2022 by joeyt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, joeyt said: You said finishing 7th is hard. West Ham have achieved it. Why can't we? Why do we need a playoff to do it West Ham finished 6th the season prior and finished 7th while playing in Europe until April/May. West Ham have been a very good team for 2 years. Again, what's your actual point? We don't need a play-off for anything. But I think it would make the league more exciting and it increases our chances of qualifying for Europe. 1 is an opinion and I think the other is a fact. Edited September 14, 2022 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: West Ham finished 6th the season prior and finished 7th while playing in Europe until April/May. West Ham have been a very good team for 2 years. Again, what's your actual point? My point is that you said 7th is difficult without a playoff when it clearly isn't when teams like West Ham can get to 7th (or higher) two seasons in a row That's not a knock on West Ham they're a good team but if we can't strive to be at the same level as what West Ham are at then what's the point of all our new investment? We don't need a playoff system to get a Europa Conference League spot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 People advocating for even more games in a season? Mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Also in the question of an all star game where does the north start? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Just now, joeyt said: We don't need a playoff system to get a Europa Conference League spot What a depressing fucking play off that would be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, joeyt said: My point is that you said 7th is difficult without a playoff when it clearly isn't when teams like West Ham can get to 7th (or higher) two seasons in a row That's not a knock on West Ham they're a good team but if we can't strive to be at the same level as what West Ham are at then what's the point of all our new investment? We don't need a playoff system to get a Europa Conference League spot We don't need a play-off for anything. But I think it would make the league more exciting and it increases our chances of qualifying for Europe. 1 is an opinion and I think the other is a fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: What a depressing fucking play off that would be Why would it be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Rafalove said: Also in the question of an all star game where does the north start? 10 most northernly v 10 most southernly you'd say. The likes of Villa would probably chop and change. At least the North has a degree of kinship. Cant imagine Norwich and Southampton feel even slightly in the same boat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: We don't need a play-off for anything. But I think it would make the league more exciting and it increases our chances of qualifying for Europe. 1 is an opinion and I think the other is a fact. You said 7th is difficult when it clearly isn't with the right investment and coach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Just now, joeyt said: You said 7th is difficult when it clearly isn't with the right investment and coach Yeh it's difficult to get the right investment and coach. Based on your logic - having a good manager and £200m investment in less than 12 months - we should finish 7th easily right? Anything less must be a failure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Why would it be? A play off for 7th, essentially? A play off to join a third tier European competition. Sounds very small time to me. And more games in already packed schedule for players tom play and people to ultimately not be arsed about. Play offs in a top league are an awful idea. Edited September 14, 2022 by Super Duper Branko Strupar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: Yeh it's difficult to get the right investment and coach. Based on your logic - having a good manager and £200m investment in less than 12 months - we should finish 7th easily right? Anything less must be a failure. This is an incredible strawman 7th easily? Where have I said that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yorkie Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: A play off for 7th, essentially? A play off to join a third tier European competition. Sounds very small time to me. And more games in already packed schedule for players tom play and people to ultimately not be arsed about. Play offs in a top league are an awful idea. Turning our noses up at any European competition is the only thing that sounds mental to me. The Conference League was really good last year and the winners clearly assigned enormous weight it, as well they should have. Take the point about amount of games, the calendar is obviously saturated. Probably not for those going for 7th, mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) I wouldnt turn my nose up at the Conference League, I just cant see an argument for having play offs for it. These European places are historically assigned on merit over the course of the season by placing in the league. Having however many play offs for which ever coemptions just debases the league, imo. Not to mention if we got fucking 7th but had to go in to a play of with 8th and fucking lost. Edited September 14, 2022 by Super Duper Branko Strupar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Theoretically if there was a north vs south game, using the club's below, with each team having to have 1 representative in the starting line-up, what would the two squads be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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