João Pedro

[TRon]

1 minute ago, mighty__mag said:

Chelsea have the cash to waste, the FCWC has helped them there, PIF supporting a rival to buy a player, genius.

 

Loving the fickle switch in opinions in this thread mind 

 

 

How come there isn't a PSR stopping PIF spending money on the FCWC then?

 

 

[mighty__mag]

9 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

How come there isn't a PSR stopping PIF spending money on the FCWC then?

 

 

 

Not sure what you mean,

 

They don't own any of those clubs representing, money gained from that tournament isn’t counted towards the clubs psr (City/Chelsea) who are competing either,  as far as I know, it's just a nice extra income to use on transfers now for those that get in.

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by mighty__mag

[Dr.Spaceman]

PIF are definitely playing the long game, if they're playing a game at all.

[Kimbo]

With Delap I understood why he would go to Chelsea, but for Pedro it is a braindead move, he would literally just be a utility player. It stinks of the likes of Kepa moving to be a backup in his prime years.

[Nucasol]

Just now, Dr.Spaceman said:

PIF are definitely playing the long game, if they're playing a game at all.

Like all things Saudi it’s an incoherent mix of agendas and sub-plots, overreach and then row back.

[TRon]

Just now, mighty__mag said:

 

Not sure what you mean

 

I mean the problem is PSR, nothing else. PIF will spend money on NUFC if they are allowed to. Or at least we can only really find out if PSR is got rid of. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

2 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Like all things Saudi it’s an incoherent mix of agendas and sub-plots, overreach and then row back.

 

In all seriousness I'm still happy to be rid of Mike Ashley and see us competing in the CL. Until that feeling dissipates then I'm happy just to see us improve year on year.

 

I'm just glad the mix of agendas all seemingly have the same end goal for NUFC.

[mighty__mag]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

I mean the problem is PSR, nothing else. PIF will spend money on NUFC if they are allowed to. Or at least we can only really find out if PSR is got rid of. 

 

I edited my post 👍🏻

 

In a dumb way, pif are helping Chelsea and City with spending, but they won't mind as its good for them, but shit for their asset Newcastle. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

I mean the problem is PSR, nothing else. PIF will spend money on NUFC if they are allowed to. Or at least we can only really find out if PSR is got rid of. 

 

it's a good point like, if they can spend a billion on this shite just think what they could do for NUFC with less constraints. It's genuinely mind boggling that there hasn't been a proper legal challenge in the form of players kicking off about either being "forced" to move clubs or not being able to do so (as was pointed out on here yesterday by someone) due to lack of PSR headroom.

[The Prophet]

Said similar in another thread, but...

 

...while I completely understand the appeal of Premier League proven players, we're trying to drive a hard bargain in a market where the fees and wages on offer are inflated.

 

Our talent ID is spot on. Our best work in the transfer market has come from "buying the dip" abroad and/or picking up young, unproven players with high ceilings.

 

I appreciate we're trying to move up the ladder and buy a more complete, finished article, but given how restricted we are under PSR we may need to reconsider until the commercial revenue and academy are in a place to ease that burden.

[Nucasol]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

In all seriousness I'm still happy to be rid of Mike Ashley and see us competing in the CL. Until that feeling dissipates then I'm happy just to see us improve year on year.

 

I'm just glad the mix of agendas all seemingly have the same end goal for NUFC.

Absolutely, I can’t thank them enough for reviving our zombie club of the Ashley days.
 

But it still grinds gears them constantly bailing out and semi funding our rivals. Look at the Duran thing FFS, plus Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea. 

 

Their strategy is “World Cup 2034”, but how they get there is a right inconsistent mess.

[Paulinho]

42 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

I guess it’s significantly easier to get players that would improve us when we were sitting 19th in the league or had just finished 11th, than it is when we’ve secured CL football 2 years out of the last 3

Not sure this logic works - Bruno, Isak and Botman are all of a calibre that would improve us if they were signed today, certainly relative to the likes of Pedro and Elanga. 

[toon25]

Chelsea haven't even bid for him have they?

[healthyaddiction]

1 minute ago, toon25 said:

Chelsea haven't even bid for him have they?

There's been reports they have.

[The College Dropout]

Not overly concerned with this transfer. 
 

Zenden chose Chelsea.  
Jeffers chose Arsenal. 
 

We got Robert and Bellamy instead. Brill.  

[SUPERTOON]

11 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Said similar in another thread, but...

 

...while I completely understand the appeal of Premier League proven players, we're trying to drive a hard bargain in a market where the fees and wages on offer are inflated.

 

Our talent ID is spot on. Our best work in the transfer market has come from "buying the dip" abroad and/or picking up young, unproven players with high ceilings.

 

I appreciate we're trying to move up the ladder and buy a more complete, finished article, but given how restricted we are under PSR we may need to reconsider until the commercial revenue and academy are in a place to ease that burden.

My only issue is, surely the club should have known exactly what to expect regarding prices, wages etc. We have had 18 months to get ready for this window. Being quoted massive fees should not come as a surprise. 

[Kimbo]

7 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Absolutely, I can’t thank them enough for reviving our zombie club of the Ashley days.
 

But it still grinds gears them constantly bailing out and semi funding our rivals. Look at the Duran thing FFS, plus Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea. 

 

Their strategy is “World Cup 2034”, but how they get there is a right inconsistent mess.

My prediction/conspiracy theory is that there will be a Saudi led European Super League within 5 years and these clubs are already in bed with them. That’s a realistic goal for them and it’s far bigger than Newcastle.

 

As far as Newcastle is concerned, the club was sold to them by Staveley and I think everything needs to be pushed forward by a non-PIF person. They’re there to invest if someone sells it to them, but otherwise we’ll be a forgotten relatively minor investment.

[The College Dropout]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

My only issue is, surely the club should have known exactly what to expect regarding prices, wages etc. We have had 18 months to get ready for this window. Being quoted massive fees should not come as a surprise. 

Demand from others does drive the price up though.  This one in particular is Chelsea moving mad. 

[Whitley mag]

11 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Said similar in another thread, but...

 

...while I completely understand the appeal of Premier League proven players, we're trying to drive a hard bargain in a market where the fees and wages on offer are inflated.

 

Our talent ID is spot on. Our best work in the transfer market has come from "buying the dip" abroad and/or picking up young, unproven players with high ceilings.

 

I appreciate we're trying to move up the ladder and buy a more complete, finished article, but given how restricted we are under PSR we may need to reconsider until the commercial revenue and academy are in a place to ease that burden.

Said this for ages we are trying to spread a limited budget to thinly across multiple needs.

 

Mitchell may not be popular but he’s right our transfer policy isn’t fit for purpose.

 

Yes it’s got us so far but now we’ve had 3 windows where we can’t spend and from the targets where after I just see rinse and repeat.

 

We’ve acquired some blue chip players but you’re correct they all had question marks, including Isak who’s goal record was atrocious for Sociedad in his last season.

[Stifler]

2 hours ago, JigsawGoesToPieces said:

Need to change the title tbh, sounds like we are nowhere near.

 

Romano saying this morning that Chelsea advancing.

Romano sell tweets for clubs and agents.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s just saying that on behalf on either Brighton or the players agent in order to try and put pressure on us to either offer more for him to Brighton, or more in wages.

[J7]

53 minutes ago, Vaj said:

Can't have a go at the club for not overpaying. Overpay for Joao Pedro would then mean that we have less money, or no money, for the other important positions in the side. 

 

On top of that it won't be as simple as if we agreed a fee weeks ago we would have got him. Chelsea would have been kept informed on any deal and would have probably just come in earlier and we would have been in this exact same boat but a few weeks earlier. 

 

As others have mentioned, this is PSR, and with PSR as it is we will probably never be able to fully compete and establish at the top on a consistent basis. Or at the very least we have to do everything perfectly to do so. It is a shame because it sucks the joy out of football a bit.  

It’s not overpaying. It’s the going rate. Value is only what people are prepared to pay. There’s not a catalogue with prices in. 
 

It’s becoming a bit frustrating this. There’s now a decent length list of targets that are going elsewhere and a couple of low ball bids for Trafford and Elanga to clubs who don’t need to sell. I’d be far more confident if we hadn’t had the Guehi shambles last summer (another on our target list this summer going elsewhere). From the outside, there doesn’t seem to be much homework done and it doesn’t inspire much confidence if we end up scrambling around for players who know they’re well down our list of targets.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by J7

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

 

Bruno was to upgrade on Shelvey. Botman, Lascelles. Isak, Gayle. Now we're trying to upgrade on significantly better players meaning the pool is a lot smaller, meanwhile our own targets have changed beyond survival/consolidation, again reducing the pool of players who can help achieve our new targets. Then you've got the inflation of prices which has changed even in just the last three years, plus the risks of PSR are far more established and emphasise the need to invest with as much guarantee as possible. 

 

= Targeting PL players in the first instance.

Yep - not often I’d paraphrase Trevor Francis, but I remember him talking about how the hardest thing in management isn’t improving poor sides, but trying to improve a really good one - you have to spend big money and be absolutely confident that the player you’re buying is likely to improve the side - and that getting a team from 7th to 6th is almost as hard as getting a team from 17th to 7th (he finished 3rd, 7th, 7th with Sheff Wed before it fell apart - which is what he was referring to).

 

Far too many are giving it the ‘just buy cheap players from abroad’ patter.  Great - but that’s adding to the pot luck element.   Who we buy at this point needs to be really thought out - you don’t just gamble on some bloke from a midtable Portuguese side because you saw a YouTube video of him doing loads of pedaladas.  

[Stifler]

6 minutes ago, Kimbo said:

My prediction/conspiracy theory is that there will be a Saudi led European Super League within 5 years and these clubs are already in bed with them. That’s a realistic goal for them and it’s far bigger than Newcastle.

 

As far as Newcastle is concerned, the club was sold to them by Staveley and I think everything needs to be pushed forward by a non-PIF person. They’re there to invest if someone sells it to them, but otherwise we’ll be a forgotten relatively minor investment.

Nah, the Super League will be a closed Premier League.

The Saudi’s will be asked to buy the Champions League TV rights for a step above what they go for now, in exchange for a club or 2 of theirs being invited to the competition each year.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Stifler

[SUPERTOON]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Demand from others does drive the price up though.  This one in particular is Chelsea moving mad. 

Doesn't seem to have driven up his asking price mind, been 60 million all summer. 

[The College Dropout]

Just now, Kimbo said:

My prediction/conspiracy theory is that there will be a Saudi led European Super League within 5 years and these clubs are already in bed with them. That’s a realistic goal for them and it’s far bigger than Newcastle.

 

As far as Newcastle is concerned, the club was sold to them by Staveley and I think everything needs to be pushed forward by a non-PIF person. They’re there to invest if someone sells it to them, but otherwise we’ll be a forgotten relatively minor investment.

Increasingly I’m agreeing with this. 
 

I’ve said this in another thread. ‘Whose baby is this?’ Who is staying up at night with NUFC top of their thoughts?

 

Yasir to me is like the other geezer at Spurs. He’s the main money man. But it’s Levy’s baby.  Levy drives it. 
 

Chelsea was always Romans baby.  But Marina was his underboss/consigliere. 
 

Atm it does feel like a rudderless ship.