OoOGazOoO Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 15 minutes ago, 9133818919 said: "Isak is a pure rat" banners up outside the training ground 😑       The irony is that I would actually associate 'pure rat' type language more common with the destination he is quite heavily linked to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 36 minutes ago, Fak said:   Folk convincing themselves he deliberately downed tools is some sort of coping mechanism I think.  In what way? Surely the opposite is true, if he's literally in the process of downing tools right now  I'm not sure why it would be "cope" to think he wasn't actually injured and was in fact just putting in half arsed performances towards the end of the season, your logic makes absolutely no sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 Anyone else already completely sick of this saga? Probably got another 4 weeks of it too.  Doesn't help when we're doing fuck all on the incoming side either.  Complete shambles of a window. Could set us back years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 44 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I'd say just get rid, but I'd love to avoid selling him to Liverpool at all costs.  This is the problem really. If it was abroad I’d be all in the selling camp. As it is I think he has to stay for another season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 1 minute ago, Scoot said: Anyone else already completely sick of this saga? Probably got another 4 weeks of it too.  Doesn't help when we're doing fuck all on the incoming side either.  Complete shambles of a window. Could set us back years. Yup, absolutely it's just a ridiculous situation to be in. Id be more understanding if Liverpool or anyone else were actually pushing but at the moment they are using paid influencers to snipe from the sideline.  It's just pathetic all around tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigmadge Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 The club are hiding as they are in Korea but things will come to a head on monday  if he’s not back from Spain and training then something must happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 3 minutes ago, Andy said:  In what way? Surely the opposite is true, if he's literally in the process of downing tools right now  I'm not sure why it would be "cope" to think he wasn't actually injured and was in fact just putting in half arsed performances towards the end of the season, your logic makes absolutely no sense.  I know he's downed tools right now, I've said that.  But he's had groin and thigh problems for us since he walked through the door and with Wilson not always being available to replace him with, there's clearly been many a game where he's not played at full speed and had to be kept wrapped in cotton wool. That wasn't him downing tools like some are levelling at him now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 For a manager that won’t play someone if they’re unable to enact his tactical instructions and put in the effort, are we really saying Howe knew Isak was not putting in the effort (as they have the live data in game and can track output across all previous games) and kept playing him? Come on.   Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bada Bing Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 You'd think if this happens, Liverpool will need to make their formal offer within the next couple of days at or at least near our valuation. If it gets to a week before the season starts, forget it. We're hardly going to pick up the phone and ask them to bid.  The whole saga has been an embarrassment really, and not how you would expect major transfers to be conducted.   Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 3 minutes ago, Fak said:  I know he's downed tools right now, I've said that.  But he's had groin and thigh problems for us since he walked through the door and with Wilson not always being available to replace him with, there's clearly been many a game where he's not played at full speed and had to be kept wrapped in cotton wool. That wasn't him downing tools like some are levelling at him now.  That still isn't "cope", if anything cope is saying "ahhhh nah he's a good lad, wouldn't down tools, no way" when clearly he is capable of that, as we've now discovered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 (edited) If he was agitating for a move and wanting to impress suitors even more. I don’t understand what he would have to gain by deliberately not trying and playing shite for a couple of months at the start and the end of the season?  I understand why he is doing it now in the off season. Even if it is a dickhead move.  I think it is more the case that his style is a bit languid, he generally has stamina issues and he has often been playing through injuries and looking off it/not fully fit for spells, ever since he signed. It’s nothing new.  I’m not an N-O body language expert. But I didn’t notice much difference with his attitude or how he was generally. He has always been a bit cold and aloof. Hence being monikered the ‘Ice Man/Ice Cold’  I know plenty did previously highlight him not really celebrating other players goals. But I can’t say it is something I noticed. Edited August 1, 2025 by Lush Vlad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Andy said:  That still isn't "cope", if anything cope is saying "ahhhh nah he's a good lad, wouldn't down tools, no way" when clearly he is capable of that, as we've now discovered.  It's a cope. People are trying to convince themselves we're selling a player who down tools in matches. Edited August 1, 2025 by Fak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 ...but he's literally downed tools. What are you on about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 Just now, Kid Icarus said: ...but he's literally downed tools. What are you on about?  He means in games though. It's completely different.   Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: ...but he's literally downed tools. What are you on about? 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Brave Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 45 minutes ago, 9133818919 said: "Isak is a pure rat" banners up outside the training ground 😑      FFS...cringe-worthy ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: ...but he's literally downed tools. What are you on about?  I'm talking about his performances last season. I've admitted he's downed tools now. What are you on about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 1 minute ago, Fak said:  It's a cope. People are trying to convince themselves we're selling a player who down tools.  Hate to break it, but if we're selling him it literally IS because he has downed tools.  It's more of a cope to pretend we're selling him because he's always injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 1 minute ago, Andy said:  Hate to break it, but if we're selling him it literally IS because he has downed tools.  It's more of a cope to pretend we're selling him because he's always injured.  Yes, he's downed tools now. Like I've said numerous times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 1 minute ago, Shearergol said: Â He means in games though. It's completely different. Â Â What he's saying makes no sense in terms of cope like. Andy's right. Fak you need to delete your account. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tross Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 1 minute ago, Dancing Brave said: FFS...cringe-worthy ! Â How? I think it's brilliant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 Just now, Fak said:  I'm talking about his performances last season. I've admitted he's downed tools now. What are you on about?  If he's capable of downing tools now, what makes him incapable of downing tools in the last few games? Even if it was just to avoid injury ahead of a possible move.  That's not "cope", it's applying a gained-perspective now that we've learnt that he has that in him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 Not a chance he’s leaving now at this late stage in the window. Liverpool clearly won’t pay 150 million and we can’t source a replacement worthy of the name.   Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 I've seen the phrase "Downed Tools" so much in the last few pages, it feels like its lost all meaning   It does make me wonder where the etymology of that phrase has come from, has some worker in Ancient Egypt just put down his chisel and walked off into the desert never to be seen again?   Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted August 1, 2025 Share Posted August 1, 2025 24 minutes ago, Scoot said: Anyone else already completely sick of this saga? Probably got another 4 weeks of it too.  Doesn't help when we're doing fuck all on the incoming side either.  Complete shambles of a window. Could set us back years.  Aye canny sick of it like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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