Alexander Isak - International C*nt

[Andy]

4 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

The exact same argument applies the other way

 

It makes little sense for an astute businessman to sell an asset for under market value, to a competitor, in a one horse race, after being manipulated into that position by that competitor 

 

They’ve been forced to weaken their financial position whilst also weakening their reputation and standing in the industry, whilst also strengthening a competitor.

 

They’ll get a short term boost to the balance sheet but beyond that they’ve fucked themselves over 

 

 

 

 

We don't know that the club would consider themselves to be selling him for under their valuation of him. We don't know how much Liverpool will bid, we don't our actual valuation of him (only what journalists have either been briefed or have made up), and we don't know what conversations have taken place either with Liverpool or with Isak. 

 

There's a lot of conjecture, but if the club choose to sell, it will likely be at an undisclosed fee, and as fans we'll have to take it for granted that the club felt they got value for him and that it was the right thing to do, all aspects of the saga taken into account.  

[Eveready]

Was trying to describe to situation around the arrogance and victimhood of Liverpool fans to my girlfriend.

 

Easiest comparison I could make was the 'offended by everything, ashamed of nothing', and similar to Israel's view of themselves.

 

Googled 'why do Liverpool fans act all high and mighty', hoping for a Google AI result.  Unfortunately no Google AI response but the following came up on the top 5 search results, couldn't make this shit up.  'Chosen people's and historical injustices 😂

 

From now on I'm comparing Liverpool fans to Israelis

[KennyUtd]

33 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Or you could see it like this: 

 

I bought a house and the value has risen, it’s not for sale but someone has approached me and made me a lowball offer and they’re saying they don't want to pay market value for it because my mortgage payments are based on the price I paid for the house before the value rose 

 

But as it’s my house and it’s not for sale, they can get to fuck. I’ll decide what it’s worth, thank you very much  
 

Or something like that 

 

 

 

Alright Simon Jordan. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Andy said:

 

We don't know that the club would consider themselves to be selling him for under their valuation of him. We don't know how much Liverpool will bid, we don't our actual valuation of him (only what journalists have either been briefed or have made up), and we don't know what conversations have taken place either with Liverpool or with Isak. 

 

There's a lot of conjecture, but if the club choose to sell, it will likely be at an undisclosed fee, and as fans we'll have to take it for granted that the club felt they got value for him and that it was the right thing to do, all aspects of the saga taken into account.  

Doubt it will be undisclosed. Very rare for big transfers.

[Andy]

3 minutes ago, Pandamninator said:

Woltemade played as part of a striker pair in Stuttgart - and Howe has been flirting with a two striker formation for a while now.

 

You are also dying on a hill here that you expect the Saudis to gladly get fucked over on the transfer fee of their most valuable asset.

 

I'm not dying on any hill, what the fuck are you on about  I'm putting forward the argument that neither you, nor anybody else, has a fucking scooby what our owners will do or what is happening behind the scenes, so attacking fellow fans over it is moronic. It could go either way, but currently it looks to me like we'd sell if an offer matched our valuation. 

[Theregulars]

6 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

Fans who are letting their rage override everything are being played like a fiddle by the player, his agent and LFC. Their reaction is exactly what those parties want. No doubt in the minds of those fans the player departure will feel like a win in the short term but in the long term it will feel crushing. A bit like a blinding high off necking a class A drug only to later have the grimmest of comedowns when the high has worn off.

I do see your point but I don’t think it’s accurate to say everyone venting anger hasn’t thought about how crap it will be if we sell at undervalue. Some obviously won’t have and your point has value there, but to some a fundamental threshold has been crossed and therefore pragmatism and keeping counsel for strategic reasons isn’t the desirable option. 
 

You’re not wrong that it’s part of what Liverpool want to try and force our hand, and in that way it would be good to not rise to it, but his behaviour is so jaw-droppingly shit you can surely see why people might have a go anyway.

 

 

Edited August 31, 2025 by Theregulars

[bobbydazzla]

3 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

We don't know that the club would consider themselves to be selling him for under their valuation of him. We don't know how much Liverpool will bid, we don't our actual valuation of him (only what journalists have either been briefed or have made up), and we don't know what conversations have taken place either with Liverpool or with Isak. 

 

There's a lot of conjecture, but if the club choose to sell, it will likely be at an undisclosed fee, and as fans we'll have to take it for granted that the club felt they got value for him and that it was the right thing to do, all aspects of the saga taken into account.  

Well aye, that goes without saying.
 

There’s loads we don’t know and will never know. And also loads of made up shit sloshing about on the Twatter, Talksport, Sky etc 

[OverThere]

IMO we should wait untill the January transfer window and in the meantime renegotiate the contract to have a pay raise and a release clause.

[Pandamninator]

3 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

I'm not dying on any hill, what the fuck are you on about  I'm putting forward the argument that neither you, nor anybody else, has a fucking scooby what our owners will do or what is happening behind the scenes, so attacking fellow fans over it is moronic. It could go either way, but currently it looks to me like we'd sell if an offer matched our valuation. 

I mean... no shit?

 

Every single player in world football is for sale if an offer matches the valuation.  Prime Messi in 2011 would've been driven to the Airport by Guardiola himself if an astronomical enough number came in.

 

The issue is Liverpool aren't anywhere near that figure - which the club mouth pieces have been consistent on.

 

 

Edited August 31, 2025 by Pandamninator

[TRon]

13 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

I'd love that to be the case, but I doubt Woltemade has come here to be Isak's backup. If he's signed, it's likely with assurances that he's his replacement. 

 

 

He's not even the same type of striker, even if we sold Isak we'd need to buy a proper no 9 who would be the central striker given that Woltemade likes to play a slightly withdrawn role. 

[TBG]

Articles, journalists, pundtic etc should be made to include/say that Liverpool currently paid the British Record fee for Wirtz.

 

So many making out that Liverpool are doing a respectful thing by apparently bidding a record fee, yet failing to mention they're offering barely more than what they paid for a German midget.

 

 

[Guest]

Just now, TBG said:

Articles, journalists, pundtic etc should be made to include/say that Liverpool currently paid the British Record fee for Wirtz.

 

So many making out that Liverpool are doing a respectful thing by apparently bidding a record fee, yet failing to mention they're offering barely more than what they paid for a German midget.

 

 

Don’t start on the Germans…..

[Nucasol]

1 hour ago, KingArthur said:

Ornstein says Chelsea expect Jackson to be back at Chelsea, because "they of course wont leave themselves short", but seems like everyone expects us to leave us a man short?

And ignore the fact Jackson has been training out of hours, in the shitty dressing room, with the rest of the “bomb squad”. Chelsea are the worst, but the message continually fails to get through to these idiots choosing to go to them.

[Pandamninator]

Just now, TBG said:

Articles, journalists, pundtic etc should be made to include/say that Liverpool currently paid the British Record fee for Wirtz.

 

So many making out that Liverpool are doing a respectful thing by apparently bidding a record fee, yet failing to mention they're offering barely more than what they paid for a German midget.

 

 

They aren't even doing that.

 

The "official bid" was about 5 million under the Wirtz price wasn't it? It's only the "unofficial" bid they have waiting for when we invite them in the door that (barely) exceeds the Wirtz fee.

[Wandy]

1 minute ago, Theregulars said:

I do see your point but I don’t think it’s accurate to say everyone venting anger hasn’t thought about how crap it will be if we sell at undervalue. Some obviously won’t have and your point has value there, but to some a fundamental threshold has been crossed and therefore pragmatism and keeping counsel for strategic reasons isn’t the desirable option. 
 

You’re not wrong that it’s part of what Liverpool want to try and force our hand, and in that way it would be good to not rise to it, but his behaviour is so jaw-droppingly shit you can surely see why people might have a go anyway.

 

I hate the cunt as much as those like Paully do and I understand the reaction. But its 100% self defeating to let that rage be a defining factor in a resolution that will ultimately not have been good for NUFC.

 

I will find it much funnier if the player is forced to stay and play sufficiently well to play his way out of the club scoring goals that he wont get 100% satisfaction from but will help NUFC to be succesful. That is the ultimate win in this situation for the fans. Any other scenario is a win for Isak and the dippers.

[Andy]

5 minutes ago, Pandamninator said:

I mean... no shit?

 

Every single player in world football is for sale if an offer matches the valuation.  Prime Messi would've been driven to the Airport by Guardiola himself if an astronomical enough number came in.

 

The issue is Liverpool aren't anywhere near that figure - which the club mouth pieces have been consistent on.

 

Liverpool haven't made a second offer, by all accounts. We have no idea. You're saying "the club WILL do this" based on nothing but conjecture, then attacking the likes of Paully and other fans for doing the exact same thing

 

I suspect you're setting yourself up for a huge amount of disappointment if you think we'd reject it purely to be arsey and stick him on the bench until January though. It would be great, but we won't do it. If the local press 'mouth pieces' are a reliable indicator to you, their change in tone over the weekend should tell you all you need to know. 

[OverThere]

1 minute ago, Andy said:

 

Liverpool haven't made a second offer, by all accounts. We have no idea. You're saying "the club WILL do this" based on nothing but conjecture, then attacking the likes of Paully and other fand for doing the exact same thing

 

I suspect you're settings yourself up for a huge amount of disappointment if you think we'd reject it purely to be arsey and stick him on the bench until January though. It would be great, but we won't do it. If the local press 'mouth pieces' are a reliable indicator to you, their change in tone over the weekend should tell you all you need to know. 

Conditions still haven't been met 150 million and a replacement of 2 strikers in. So far we are 1 for 3 in terms of conditions met.

[Pandamninator]

4 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

Liverpool haven't made a second offer, by all accounts. We have no idea. You're saying "the club WILL do this" based on nothing but conjecture, then attacking the likes of Paully and other fans for doing the exact same thing

 

I suspect you're settings yourself up for a huge amount of disappointment if you think we'd reject it purely to be arsey and stick him on the bench until January though. It would be great, but we won't do it. If the local press 'mouth pieces' are a reliable indicator to you, their change in tone over the weekend should tell you all you need to know. 

Why would we stick him on the bench?

 

As with every single other transfer saga Isak will come back straight back into the fold once the window shuts. 

 

There is no example of any player of note actually downing tools past that point, no matter how toxic it had gotten.  As much as people in this thread are trying to claim it is, this whole thing is really not unprecedented.

 

 

Edited August 31, 2025 by Pandamninator

[Drewboy74]

56 minutes ago, Ronson333 said:

 

Who the fuck is she?

[Emotic]

Be amazing if we do sign a second striker in the next 24 hours, but keep it under wraps until it's too late for Liverpool to launch a last-minute bid for Isak. Then all the pressure is off us.

 

Pie in the sky though. Might as well expect Jennifer Connelly to materialise in my bed tonight.

[Elric]

15 minutes ago, Eveready said:

Was trying to describe to situation around the arrogance and victimhood of Liverpool fans to my girlfriend.

 

Easiest comparison I could make was the 'offended by everything, ashamed of nothing', and similar to Israel's view of themselves.

 

Googled 'why do Liverpool fans act all high and mighty', hoping for a Google AI result.  Unfortunately no Google AI response but the following came up on the top 5 search results, couldn't make this shit up.  'Chosen people's and historical injustices 😂

 

From now on I'm comparing Liverpool fans to Israelis

 

Come on now, you spent time in the wilderness after killing all those people, let's not fuck about. 

[Bimpy474]

A cunt, going to a cunt club, with cunt supports would be rather apt.  

 

Hope it doesn't happen and cunt is left rotting, and Etitike gets a long injury. Cunts.

[Andy]

2 minutes ago, OverThere said:

Conditions still haven't been met 150 million and a replacement of 2 strikers in. So far we are 1 for 3 in terms of conditions met.

 

The fact that we appear to be very actively chasing that second striker says that we  are just as keen to meet those conditions as any prospective buyer.

 

We have no idea what the club's actual selling valuation is, they're not going to announce that to the press. 

[ExiledGeordie]

1 minute ago, Drewboy74 said:

Who the fuck is she?

She’s full of shit, I’ve heard her trotting out all sorts of rubbish before 

[Andy]

2 minutes ago, Pandamninator said:

Why would we stick him on the bench?

 

As with every single other transfer saga Isak will come back straight back into the fold once the window shuts. 

 

There is no example of any player of note actually downing tools past that point, no matter how toxic it had gotten.  As much as people in this thread are trying to claim it is, this whole thing is really not unprecedented.

 

 

 

 

Let's see what happens over the next 24 hours.

 

I personally would find it very hard to welcome Isak back into the team should he stay - it might actually mark the end of football for me, as someone who has attended Newcastle games since the age of five. These situations aren't unprecedented but are rarely played out in public to this extent, with such contempt and disrespect for the club and fans.