Kimbo Posted Sunday at 19:39 Share Posted Sunday at 19:39 Forest away sounds like a day ruiner to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted Sunday at 19:57 Share Posted Sunday at 19:57 (edited) 35 minutes ago, leffe186 said: That word. I’m not sure it means what you think it means. If it’s just a description of where teams are going to finish then it’s probably Man City, Arsenal and Liverpool…and it’s not a cartel, maybe an elite? If it’s an actual cartel of teams then either it’s the original CL ones (Arse, Liv, Man U, Chels) or the ones that didn’t want new owners to be able to spend whatever they want (add us) or the ones that wanted an ESL (add Man City). If you’re saying we’re in the cartel in name only then it doesn’t mean anything and I’m very happy to agree we’re not Yeah, I know what a cartel means, howeh. You're in the cartel in name only as in your membership isn't really based on any actual historical success on the field, unlike the other members: Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal. However you're in on the basis that the interests of your club and the others mentioned are mutual: restrict competition, keep the Champions League a closed shop so you can guarantee income. And the clubs work together to do so - ie a cartel. This isn't some wild conspiracy theory, it's a matter that's on record. Edited Sunday at 20:00 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted Sunday at 20:13 Share Posted Sunday at 20:13 10 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Yeah, I know what a cartel means, howeh. You're in the cartel in name only as in your membership isn't really based on any actual historical success on the field, unlike the other members: Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal. However you're in on the basis that the interests of your club and the others mentioned are mutual: restrict competition, keep the Champions League a closed shop so you can guarantee income. And the clubs work together to do so - ie a cartel. This isn't some wild conspiracy theory, it's a matter that's on record. I mean, we’re either in it or not. If we’re working to restrict competition - and we obviously are, we don’t want owners to spend whatever they want - then we’re not in it in name only, we’re just in it. If you think we don’t deserve to be in it because we haven’t won much then that’s a different question. I’m happy to say yes, we don’t deserve to be called a cartel club if it means you all stop doing so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted Sunday at 20:19 Share Posted Sunday at 20:19 2 minutes ago, leffe186 said: I mean, we’re either in it or not. If we’re working to restrict competition - and we obviously are, we don’t want owners to spend whatever they want - then we’re not in it in name only, we’re just in it. If you think we don’t deserve to be in it because we haven’t won much then that’s a different question. I’m happy to say yes, we don’t deserve to be called a cartel club if it means you all stop doing so Good god leffe, ridiculous pedantry. You're in the cartel, but you're not in it through any sporting success beyond sustained CL qualification, happy now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted Sunday at 20:21 Share Posted Sunday at 20:21 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Good god leffe, ridiculous pedantry. You're in the cartel, but you're not in it through any sporting success beyond sustained CL qualification, happy now? I just thought what you said was weird Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted Sunday at 20:24 Share Posted Sunday at 20:24 (edited) 2 minutes ago, leffe186 said: I just thought what you said was weird Well cartel gangs normally get in by being successful, in a business sense you are, but in the context of football and sporting achievements you're not, unlike the other members. Really didn't think it was anything controversial Edited Sunday at 20:24 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted Sunday at 20:26 Share Posted Sunday at 20:26 Seems like we either get the smug spurs fan or the smug Villa fan. At least the Man Utd one commits somewhat to his bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted Sunday at 20:29 Share Posted Sunday at 20:29 3 minutes ago, Hovagod said: Seems like we either get the smug spurs fan or the smug Villa fan. At least the Man Utd one commits somewhat to his bit. I resent that. I commit whole-heartedly to the smug Spurs fan bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted Sunday at 21:42 Share Posted Sunday at 21:42 Venezia equalise away to Inter in 97th minute. 1-1. Whole subs bench on the pitch celebrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted Sunday at 21:43 Share Posted Sunday at 21:43 Ffs I turned it off about a minute before Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted Sunday at 21:43 Share Posted Sunday at 21:43 1 minute ago, Fak said: Venezia equalise away to Inter in 97th minute. 1-1. Whole subs bench on the pitch celebrating. Disallowed for handball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted Sunday at 22:22 Share Posted Sunday at 22:22 FA Cup second-round draw Salford City v Cheltenham Town Walsall v Charlton Athletic Exeter City v Chesterfield Leyton Orient v Oldham Athletic Barnsley v Bristol Rovers AFC Wimbledon v Dagenham & Redbridge Accrington Stanley v Swindon Town Crawley Town v Chesham United or Lincoln City Burton Albion v Tamworth Blackpool v Birmingham City Stevenage v Mansfield Town Peterborough United v Notts County Stockport County v Brackley Town Wealdstone v Wycombe Wanderers Morecambe v Bradford City Solihull Moors v Bromley Kettering Town v Doncaster Rovers Reading v Harborough Town Harrogate Town v Gainsborough Trinity Cambridge United v Wigan Athletic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted Sunday at 22:28 Share Posted Sunday at 22:28 4 minutes ago, 54 said: FA Cup second-round draw Salford City v Cheltenham Town Walsall v Charlton Athletic Exeter City v Chesterfield Leyton Orient v Oldham Athletic Barnsley v Bristol Rovers AFC Wimbledon v Dagenham & Redbridge Accrington Stanley v Swindon Town Crawley Town v Chesham United or Lincoln City Burton Albion v Tamworth Blackpool v Birmingham City Stevenage v Mansfield Town Peterborough United v Notts County Stockport County v Brackley Town Wealdstone v Wycombe Wanderers Morecambe v Bradford City Solihull Moors v Bromley Kettering Town v Doncaster Rovers Reading v Harborough Town Harrogate Town v Gainsborough Trinity Cambridge United v Wigan Athletic Looking forward to us not drawing any of them, to instead get an away tie at Liverpool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted Sunday at 22:40 Share Posted Sunday at 22:40 2 hours ago, Kimbo said: Forest away sounds like a day ruiner to me. Ehh? We are on fire man. We will murder these. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted yesterday at 00:21 Share Posted yesterday at 00:21 Just been in a bar with a screen showing the Womens u17 final - North Korea beat Spain in the final. The NK team all have absolutely identical haircuts. Romania 94 vibes, but with extra dystopia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DahnSahf Posted yesterday at 00:34 Share Posted yesterday at 00:34 Good job they won, or they'd be off to Ukraine to clear mines with their feet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted yesterday at 01:43 Share Posted yesterday at 01:43 (edited) 9 hours ago, KaKa said: Villa defence crumbled as soon as Konsa had to move to right back with Cash going off. That Diego Carlos just isn't up to it. Torres had a poor game and all. Soon they will get a taste of that december program with CL. There is potensial for them to fall apart. Edited yesterday at 01:43 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted yesterday at 01:54 Share Posted yesterday at 01:54 10 minutes ago, Erikse said: Soon they will get a taste of that december program with CL. There is potensial for them to fall apart. Which is actually nothing to celebrate tbh, just another sign off ffp working as intended. Don't you dare go against our cartel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted yesterday at 02:25 Share Posted yesterday at 02:25 (edited) 6 hours ago, leffe186 said: I mean, we’re either in it or not. If we’re working to restrict competition - and we obviously are, we don’t want owners to spend whatever they want - then we’re not in it in name only, we’re just in it. If you think we don’t deserve to be in it because we haven’t won much then that’s a different question. I’m happy to say yes, we don’t deserve to be called a cartel club if it means you all stop doing so I don't think many fans of any PL club wants owners to be able to spend whatever they want. You think we would get joy from our owners buying the new galacticos in one window and use that to win games? It's not like it has to be either everyone spends any amount, or there will have be a system in place that also just happens to completely protect the elite from long term competition. There is a world (many worlds actually) where there are restrictions in place, but they system still gives outside clubs a fair chance of success over time. It really shouldn't be that hard, and it's obvious that there is no motivation for PL and certain clubs to make the system more competitive. If anything, the motivation is evindently to make it increasingly less competitive. The system that some would talk about as "we don't want owners to spend whatever.." is actually also a system that is punishing clubs like Leicester, Everton and Aston Villa for daring to have ambitions of long terms success at the cost of certain clubs. If you support one of the "big six", I can see why you would not care about that, and rather go along with the narrative that PL are dressing it up as - they are only doing this for the fairness of the sport. I mean, why would you care about any outside club not being able to compete with you over time, or even to have such ambitions? Who cares about Everton, Leicester and Villa getting into trouble for being ambitious, while a few other clubs spend 3 times as much every window without even being close to trouble? Clearly that's the only way to stop the Saudis from spending more than every other club combined. Edited yesterday at 02:36 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 10 hours ago, Hovagod said: Seems like we either get the smug spurs fan or the smug Villa fan. At least the Man Utd one commits somewhat to his bit. Oh just you wait until we're good again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago 11 hours ago, Hovagod said: Seems like we either get the smug spurs fan or the smug Villa fan. At least the Man Utd one commits somewhat to his bit. Are you talking about Brummie and Leffe? They're two of the soundest bloke on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago 6 minutes ago, 54 said: Are you talking about Brummie and Leffe? They're two of the soundest bloke on here. I mean, they absolutely are sound, but are we going to try and suggest Brummie hasn't been smug since Villa started flying? A bit more quiet this season mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago I see Chiesa is injured again, he's played 78 minutes since they got him in the summer. I can't believe we didn't buy him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 17 minutes ago, KDT said: I see Chiesa is injured again, he's played 78 minutes since they got him in the summer. I can't believe we didn't buy him. Freddie Cheese is more fragile than wor Callum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago Watching motd2 ruud van nistleroy gives strong ben affleck playing Bruce Wayne vibes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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